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  1. #21
    Bill M.
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:04:23 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

    >"Bill M." wrote:
    >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> Wired to wireless adapter:
    >>>>>> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
    >>>>>
    >>>>> My major problem is financial. Making all the devices connect
    >>>>> wirelessly would involve buying and installing two wireless adaptors -
    >>>>> one for the desktop and one for the printer (and the printer will be
    >>>>> sitting right next to the desktop). The WET54G does look like a
    >>>>> proper candidate for the job of simulating the ethernet link, though.
    >>>>
    >>>> While the WET54G is a proper candidate, you'd get more functionality
    >>>> at potentially a lower cost by flashing a router. In addition to the
    >>>> basic bridge function, you'd also get the additional LAN ports that
    >>>> you probably need.
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What intrigues me is the idea of using a single WET54G (many are
    >>>>> sold on Ebay) for the link between the modem downstairs and the
    >>>>> WRT54GS wireless router upstairs. Could just one WET54G
    >>>>> form that connection with the WRT54GS router upstairs, or would
    >>>>> I need 2 WET54G's - one at the modem and another at the router?
    >>>>
    >>>> Just one.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Bill
    >>>
    >>> OK, so there's a viable option to running cable upstairs - a single
    >>> WET54G or a single flashed WRT54GS. Is there any online
    >>> documentation on setting up the downstairs flashed WRT54GS as
    >>> an ethernet adaptor to link to the upstairs unflashed WRT54GS?
    >>> I looked at the dd-wrt.com website, and there doesn't seem to be
    >>> any description of that function and how to set it up. Is there a
    >>> name for that function that would help in finding instructions on
    >>> how to set it up?
    >>>
    >>>*TimDaniels*

    >>
    >> Here's the best, most detailed, instructions that I found:
    >> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
    >>
    >> I would again advise to leave the existing router downstairs near the
    >> modem. That router will be the Access Point. The flashed router will
    >> be the Client, so it needs to be upstairs and all of the other 3
    >> devices will plug into its LAN ports. It's WAN port will not be used
    >> (unless you perform the step to assign the WAN port to the LAN.)
    >>
    >> --
    >> Bill

    >
    > Thanks for the informative link. You don't say why you'd recommend
    > the Wireless Client mode instead of the Wireless Bridge mode.


    Actually, I recommend the Client Bridge mode and not Client mode, if I
    may use the names that are used in dd-wrt.

    If you go the dd-wrt route, you'll see several options under Wireless
    Mode, including "Client Bridge" and "Client". The difference between
    them is that Client Bridge simply extends your existing LAN, (I think
    this is what you want), while Client mode creates a new subnet for the
    devices hanging off its LAN ports. So in Client mode the result would
    be a double NAT situation, which is generally less desirable unless
    you have unique requirements.


    > In the
    > Wireless Client mode, would the laptop connect wirelessly to the
    > upstairs client router or only to the downstairs Access Point router?
    > In the Wireless Bridge mode, would the laptop be able to connect
    > wirelessly to just the upstairs router, to either router, or to just the
    > downstairs router?
    >
    >*TimDaniels*


    In both Client and Client Bridge modes, no wireless devices can
    connect to this router since its sole purpose is to connect to an
    access point, which will be your wireless router downstairs.
    Therefore, the laptop would only be able to connect (wirelessly) to
    the router downstairs, or via Ethernet cable to the flashed router
    upstairs.

    --
    Bill

  2. #22
    Timothy Daniels
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    "Bill M." replied:
    > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >
    >>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>> Wired to wireless adapter:
    >>>>>>> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> My major problem is financial. Making all the devices connect
    >>>>>> wirelessly would involve buying and installing two wireless adaptors -
    >>>>>> one for the desktop and one for the printer (and the printer will be
    >>>>>> sitting right next to the desktop). The WET54G does look like a
    >>>>>> proper candidate for the job of simulating the ethernet link, though.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> While the WET54G is a proper candidate, you'd get more functionality
    >>>>> at potentially a lower cost by flashing a router. In addition to the
    >>>>> basic bridge function, you'd also get the additional LAN ports that
    >>>>> you probably need.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What intrigues me is the idea of using a single WET54G (many are
    >>>>>> sold on Ebay) for the link between the modem downstairs and the
    >>>>>> WRT54GS wireless router upstairs. Could just one WET54G
    >>>>>> form that connection with the WRT54GS router upstairs, or would
    >>>>>> I need 2 WET54G's - one at the modem and another at the router?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Just one.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Bill
    >>>>
    >>>> OK, so there's a viable option to running cable upstairs - a single
    >>>> WET54G or a single flashed WRT54GS. Is there any online
    >>>> documentation on setting up the downstairs flashed WRT54GS as
    >>>> an ethernet adaptor to link to the upstairs unflashed WRT54GS?
    >>>> I looked at the dd-wrt.com website, and there doesn't seem to be
    >>>> any description of that function and how to set it up. Is there a
    >>>> name for that function that would help in finding instructions on
    >>>> how to set it up?
    >>>>
    >>>>*TimDaniels*
    >>>
    >>> Here's the best, most detailed, instructions that I found:
    >>> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
    >>>
    >>> I would again advise to leave the existing router downstairs near the
    >>> modem. That router will be the Access Point. The flashed router will
    >>> be the Client, so it needs to be upstairs and all of the other 3
    >>> devices will plug into its LAN ports. It's WAN port will not be used
    >>> (unless you perform the step to assign the WAN port to the LAN.)
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Bill

    >>
    >> Thanks for the informative link. You don't say why you'd
    >> recommend the Wireless Client mode instead of the Wireless
    >> Bridge mode.

    >
    > Actually, I recommend the Client Bridge mode and not Client mode,
    > if I may use the names that are used in dd-wrt.
    >
    > If you go the dd-wrt route, you'll see several options under Wireless
    > Mode, including "Client Bridge" and "Client". The difference between
    > them is that Client Bridge simply extends your existing LAN, (I think
    > this is what you want), while Client mode creates a new subnet for the
    > devices hanging off its LAN ports. So in Client mode the result would
    > be a double NAT situation, which is generally less desirable unless
    > you have unique requirements.
    >
    >
    >> In the
    >> Wireless Client mode, would the laptop connect wirelessly to the
    >> upstairs client router or only to the downstairs Access Point router?
    >> In the Wireless Bridge mode, would the laptop be able to connect
    >> wirelessly to just the upstairs router, to either router, or to just the
    >> downstairs router?
    >>
    >>*TimDaniels*

    >
    > In both Client and Client Bridge modes, no wireless devices can
    > connect to this router since its sole purpose is to connect to an
    > access point, which will be your wireless router downstairs.
    > Therefore, the laptop would only be able to connect (wirelessly) to
    > the router downstairs, or via Ethernet cable to the flashed router
    > upstairs.
    >
    > --
    > Bill


    Thanks, Bill, for clearing that up. Yes, what I've been looking for
    is a device for the Client Bridge mode. I'll watch Ebay for a deal
    on another WRT54GS. I've also been considering a temporary
    switch to DSL (while I find a job). It would not only be cheaper,
    but since the upstairs bedroom has telephone wiring, there wouldn't
    be a problem in getting broadband service there. I think I could
    tolerate 1.5Mbps or 3.0Mbps for a few months while I waited for
    a WRT54GS to appear at a low price on Ebay and then did the
    flash to the dd-wrt firmware. At that point, expect some more
    questions here about configuring the bridge. :-)

    Thanks again.

    *TimDaniels*



  3. #23
    Timothy Daniels
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    "Bill M." explained:
    > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >
    >>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>> Wired to wireless adapter:
    >>>>>>> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> My major problem is financial. Making all the devices connect
    >>>>>> wirelessly would involve buying and installing two wireless adaptors -
    >>>>>> one for the desktop and one for the printer (and the printer will be
    >>>>>> sitting right next to the desktop). The WET54G does look like a
    >>>>>> proper candidate for the job of simulating the ethernet link, though.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> While the WET54G is a proper candidate, you'd get more functionality
    >>>>> at potentially a lower cost by flashing a router. In addition to the
    >>>>> basic bridge function, you'd also get the additional LAN ports that
    >>>>> you probably need.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What intrigues me is the idea of using a single WET54G (many are
    >>>>>> sold on Ebay) for the link between the modem downstairs and the
    >>>>>> WRT54GS wireless router upstairs. Could just one WET54G
    >>>>>> form that connection with the WRT54GS router upstairs, or would
    >>>>>> I need 2 WET54G's - one at the modem and another at the router?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Just one.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Bill
    >>>>
    >>>> OK, so there's a viable option to running cable upstairs - a single
    >>>> WET54G or a single flashed WRT54GS. Is there any online
    >>>> documentation on setting up the downstairs flashed WRT54GS as
    >>>> an ethernet adaptor to link to the upstairs unflashed WRT54GS?
    >>>> I looked at the dd-wrt.com website, and there doesn't seem to be
    >>>> any description of that function and how to set it up. Is there a
    >>>> name for that function that would help in finding instructions on
    >>>> how to set it up?
    >>>>
    >>>>*TimDaniels*
    >>>
    >>> Here's the best, most detailed, instructions that I found:
    >>> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
    >>>
    >>> I would again advise to leave the existing router downstairs near the
    >>> modem. That router will be the Access Point. The flashed router will
    >>> be the Client, so it needs to be upstairs and all of the other 3
    >>> devices will plug into its LAN ports. It's WAN port will not be used
    >>> (unless you perform the step to assign the WAN port to the LAN.)
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Bill

    >>
    >> Thanks for the informative link. You don't say why you'd recommend
    >> the Wireless Client mode instead of the Wireless Bridge mode.

    >
    > Actually, I recommend the Client Bridge mode and not Client mode, if I
    > may use the names that are used in dd-wrt.
    >
    > If you go the dd-wrt route, you'll see several options under Wireless
    > Mode, including "Client Bridge" and "Client". The difference between
    > them is that Client Bridge simply extends your existing LAN, (I think
    > this is what you want), while Client mode creates a new subnet for the
    > devices hanging off its LAN ports. So in Client mode the result would
    > be a double NAT situation, which is generally less desirable unless
    > you have unique requirements.
    >
    >
    >> In the
    >> Wireless Client mode, would the laptop connect wirelessly to the
    >> upstairs client router or only to the downstairs Access Point router?
    >> In the Wireless Bridge mode, would the laptop be able to connect
    >> wirelessly to just the upstairs router, to either router, or to just the
    >> downstairs router?
    >>
    >>*TimDaniels*

    >
    > In both Client and Client Bridge modes, no wireless devices can
    > connect to this router since its sole purpose is to connect to an
    > access point, which will be your wireless router downstairs.
    > Therefore, the laptop would only be able to connect (wirelessly) to
    > the router downstairs, or via Ethernet cable to the flashed router
    > upstairs.
    >
    > --
    > Bill


    I found this at the Linksys website:
    http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200

    The configuration uses a WAP54G as a Wirless Repeater.
    It looks like I could do what I want by using the WAP54G upstairs
    with a mix of wired and wireless connections to the desktop, laptop,
    and printer, and leave the existing WRT54GS wireless router
    downstairs wired directly to the modem. Do you think that would
    work? Ebay lists a lot of WAP54G's at affordable prices, and
    documentation for configuring them can be downloaded from
    the Linksys website.

    *TimDaniels*



  4. #24
    Bill M.
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:51:54 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

    >"Bill M." replied:
    >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>"Bill M." wrote:
    >>>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Wired to wireless adapter:
    >>>>>>>> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> My major problem is financial. Making all the devices connect
    >>>>>>> wirelessly would involve buying and installing two wireless adaptors -
    >>>>>>> one for the desktop and one for the printer (and the printer will be
    >>>>>>> sitting right next to the desktop). The WET54G does look like a
    >>>>>>> proper candidate for the job of simulating the ethernet link, though.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> While the WET54G is a proper candidate, you'd get more functionality
    >>>>>> at potentially a lower cost by flashing a router. In addition to the
    >>>>>> basic bridge function, you'd also get the additional LAN ports that
    >>>>>> you probably need.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What intrigues me is the idea of using a single WET54G (many are
    >>>>>>> sold on Ebay) for the link between the modem downstairs and the
    >>>>>>> WRT54GS wireless router upstairs. Could just one WET54G
    >>>>>>> form that connection with the WRT54GS router upstairs, or would
    >>>>>>> I need 2 WET54G's - one at the modem and another at the router?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Just one.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> Bill
    >>>>>
    >>>>> OK, so there's a viable option to running cable upstairs - a single
    >>>>> WET54G or a single flashed WRT54GS. Is there any online
    >>>>> documentation on setting up the downstairs flashed WRT54GS as
    >>>>> an ethernet adaptor to link to the upstairs unflashed WRT54GS?
    >>>>> I looked at the dd-wrt.com website, and there doesn't seem to be
    >>>>> any description of that function and how to set it up. Is there a
    >>>>> name for that function that would help in finding instructions on
    >>>>> how to set it up?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>*TimDaniels*
    >>>>
    >>>> Here's the best, most detailed, instructions that I found:
    >>>> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
    >>>>
    >>>> I would again advise to leave the existing router downstairs near the
    >>>> modem. That router will be the Access Point. The flashed router will
    >>>> be the Client, so it needs to be upstairs and all of the other 3
    >>>> devices will plug into its LAN ports. It's WAN port will not be used
    >>>> (unless you perform the step to assign the WAN port to the LAN.)
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Bill
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for the informative link. You don't say why you'd
    >>> recommend the Wireless Client mode instead of the Wireless
    >>> Bridge mode.

    >>
    >> Actually, I recommend the Client Bridge mode and not Client mode,
    >> if I may use the names that are used in dd-wrt.
    >>
    >> If you go the dd-wrt route, you'll see several options under Wireless
    >> Mode, including "Client Bridge" and "Client". The difference between
    >> them is that Client Bridge simply extends your existing LAN, (I think
    >> this is what you want), while Client mode creates a new subnet for the
    >> devices hanging off its LAN ports. So in Client mode the result would
    >> be a double NAT situation, which is generally less desirable unless
    >> you have unique requirements.
    >>
    >>
    >>> In the
    >>> Wireless Client mode, would the laptop connect wirelessly to the
    >>> upstairs client router or only to the downstairs Access Point router?
    >>> In the Wireless Bridge mode, would the laptop be able to connect
    >>> wirelessly to just the upstairs router, to either router, or to just the
    >>> downstairs router?
    >>>
    >>>*TimDaniels*

    >>
    >> In both Client and Client Bridge modes, no wireless devices can
    >> connect to this router since its sole purpose is to connect to an
    >> access point, which will be your wireless router downstairs.
    >> Therefore, the laptop would only be able to connect (wirelessly) to
    >> the router downstairs, or via Ethernet cable to the flashed router
    >> upstairs.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Bill

    >
    > Thanks, Bill, for clearing that up. Yes, what I've been looking for
    > is a device for the Client Bridge mode. I'll watch Ebay for a deal
    > on another WRT54GS. I've also been considering a temporary
    > switch to DSL (while I find a job). It would not only be cheaper,
    > but since the upstairs bedroom has telephone wiring, there wouldn't
    > be a problem in getting broadband service there. I think I could
    > tolerate 1.5Mbps or 3.0Mbps for a few months while I waited for
    > a WRT54GS to appear at a low price on Ebay and then did the
    > flash to the dd-wrt firmware. At that point, expect some more
    > questions here about configuring the bridge. :-)
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    >*TimDaniels*
    >


    No problem. Just so you know, there are LOTS of different models that
    are dd-wrt compatible, with the latest list available here:
    http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
    I just wanted to make sure you know you aren't limited to the WRT54GS.
    Before you bid/buy, it might be good to check the Supported list to
    see if there are any issues. Good luck with the network, and with the
    job search.

    --
    Bill

  5. #25
    Timothy Daniels
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router


    "Bill M." offerred:
    > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >
    >> I found this at the Linksys website:
    >>
    >> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >>
    >> The configuration uses a WAP54G as a Wirless Repeater.
    >> It looks like I could do what I want by using the WAP54G upstairs
    >> with a mix of wired and wireless connections to the desktop, laptop,
    >> and printer, and leave the existing WRT54GS wireless router
    >> downstairs wired directly to the modem. Do you think that would
    >> work? Ebay lists a lot of WAP54G's at affordable prices, and
    >> documentation for configuring them can be downloaded from
    >> the Linksys website.
    >>
    >>*TimDaniels*

    >
    > I haven't run across anyone using a WAP54G as an AP Client, but it
    > certainly looks like it should work, and of course since it's a
    > supported operating mode there would be no flashing of firmware
    > required, further simplifying things.
    >
    > I would use these instructions to configure it.
    > http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4202
    >
    > Keep in mind that a WAP54G in AP Client mode offers only one Ethernet
    > LAN port, so you still need a switch or other device to provide
    > additional ports. Also, the laptop will not be able to connect
    > wirelessly to the WAP54G when it's running in AP Client mode, but the
    > laptop will be able to connect wirelessly to the wireless router
    > downstairs if the signal is strong enough.
    >
    > --
    > Bill


    That seems to be the configuration for Access Point Client mode -
    which operates as you say and needs a switch to connect to the
    end devices. But the configuration for the Wireless Repeater mode
    is shown here:
    http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200

    It would seem that the configuration for this, the Wireless Repeater
    mode is what I could use. Devices not hardwired could connect to
    the LAN and to the Internet via either the router or the access point,
    depending on which IP address is used for their wireless connection.
    What do you think?

    *TimDaniels*



  6. #26
    Bill M.
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:08:41 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

    > I found this at the Linksys website:
    > http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >
    > The configuration uses a WAP54G as a Wirless Repeater.
    > It looks like I could do what I want by using the WAP54G upstairs
    > with a mix of wired and wireless connections to the desktop, laptop,
    > and printer, and leave the existing WRT54GS wireless router
    > downstairs wired directly to the modem. Do you think that would
    > work? Ebay lists a lot of WAP54G's at affordable prices, and
    > documentation for configuring them can be downloaded from
    > the Linksys website.
    >
    >*TimDaniels*


    I haven't run across anyone using a WAP54G as an AP Client, but it
    certainly looks like it should work, and of course since it's a
    supported operating mode there would be no flashing of firmware
    required, further simplifying things.

    I would use these instructions to configure it.
    http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4202

    Keep in mind that a WAP54G in AP Client mode offers only one Ethernet
    LAN port, so you still need a switch or other device to provide
    additional ports. Also, the laptop will not be able to connect
    wirelessly to the WAP54G when it's running in AP Client mode, but the
    laptop will be able to connect wirelessly to the wireless router
    downstairs if the signal is strong enough.

    --
    Bill

  7. #27
    Bill M.
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:52:37 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

    >
    >"Bill M." offerred:
    >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>
    >>> I found this at the Linksys website:
    >>>
    >>> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >>>
    >>> The configuration uses a WAP54G as a Wirless Repeater.
    >>> It looks like I could do what I want by using the WAP54G upstairs
    >>> with a mix of wired and wireless connections to the desktop, laptop,
    >>> and printer, and leave the existing WRT54GS wireless router
    >>> downstairs wired directly to the modem. Do you think that would
    >>> work? Ebay lists a lot of WAP54G's at affordable prices, and
    >>> documentation for configuring them can be downloaded from
    >>> the Linksys website.
    >>>
    >>>*TimDaniels*

    >>
    >> I haven't run across anyone using a WAP54G as an AP Client, but it
    >> certainly looks like it should work, and of course since it's a
    >> supported operating mode there would be no flashing of firmware
    >> required, further simplifying things.
    >>
    >> I would use these instructions to configure it.
    >> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4202
    >>
    >> Keep in mind that a WAP54G in AP Client mode offers only one Ethernet
    >> LAN port, so you still need a switch or other device to provide
    >> additional ports. Also, the laptop will not be able to connect
    >> wirelessly to the WAP54G when it's running in AP Client mode, but the
    >> laptop will be able to connect wirelessly to the wireless router
    >> downstairs if the signal is strong enough.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Bill

    >
    > That seems to be the configuration for Access Point Client mode -
    > which operates as you say and needs a switch to connect to the
    > end devices. But the configuration for the Wireless Repeater mode
    > is shown here:
    > http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >
    > It would seem that the configuration for this, the Wireless Repeater
    > mode is what I could use. Devices not hardwired could connect to
    > the LAN and to the Internet via either the router or the access point,
    > depending on which IP address is used for their wireless connection.
    > What do you think?
    >
    >*TimDaniels*


    By all means, I encourage you to give that mode a try. Best case, it
    will meet your needs, with the caveat that you'll still likely need a
    switch or other device to provide additional Ethernet ports because
    the WAP54G only has one.

    Worst case, though, wireless repeaters can be trouble prone. They have
    to spend half their time listening and the other half talking, minus
    some for overhead, so throughput really starts to be affected. I just
    not have had much luck with repeaters, so I'm a bit jaded. Either way,
    though, it's only a few clicks to switch modes. My money is still on
    the AP Client mode for your situation as being most reliable, but it
    looks like you have valid choices.

    --
    Bill

  8. #28
    Timothy Daniels
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    "Bill M." advised:
    > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >
    >>"Bill M." offerred:
    >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I found this at the Linksys website:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >>>>
    >>>> The configuration uses a WAP54G as a Wirless Repeater.
    >>>> It looks like I could do what I want by using the WAP54G upstairs
    >>>> with a mix of wired and wireless connections to the desktop, laptop,
    >>>> and printer, and leave the existing WRT54GS wireless router
    >>>> downstairs wired directly to the modem. Do you think that would
    >>>> work? Ebay lists a lot of WAP54G's at affordable prices, and
    >>>> documentation for configuring them can be downloaded from
    >>>> the Linksys website.
    >>>>
    >>>>*TimDaniels*
    >>>
    >>> I haven't run across anyone using a WAP54G as an AP Client, but it
    >>> certainly looks like it should work, and of course since it's a
    >>> supported operating mode there would be no flashing of firmware
    >>> required, further simplifying things.
    >>>
    >>> I would use these instructions to configure it.
    >>> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4202
    >>>
    >>> Keep in mind that a WAP54G in AP Client mode offers only one Ethernet
    >>> LAN port, so you still need a switch or other device to provide
    >>> additional ports. Also, the laptop will not be able to connect
    >>> wirelessly to the WAP54G when it's running in AP Client mode, but the
    >>> laptop will be able to connect wirelessly to the wireless router
    >>> downstairs if the signal is strong enough.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Bill

    >>
    >> That seems to be the configuration for Access Point Client mode -
    >> which operates as you say and needs a switch to connect to the
    >> end devices. But the configuration for the Wireless Repeater mode
    >> is shown here:
    >>
    >> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4200
    >>
    >> It would seem that the configuration for this, the Wireless Repeater
    >> mode is what I could use. Devices not hardwired could connect to
    >> the LAN and to the Internet via either the router or the access point,
    >> depending on which IP address is used for their wireless connection.
    >> What do you think?
    >>
    >>*TimDaniels*

    >
    > By all means, I encourage you to give that mode a try. Best case, it
    > will meet your needs, with the caveat that you'll still likely need a
    > switch or other device to provide additional Ethernet ports because
    > the WAP54G only has one.


    Gleeep! I didn't realize that. I was envisioning the 4 ethernet ports
    of a WRT54GS router. Back to square one - which may be the
    dd-wrt firmware flashed to a WRT54GS and using it in the Repeater
    Bridge mode, as in:
    http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Rep...n_be_encrypted

    and http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Ima...ter_Bridge.jpg


    > Worst case, though, wireless repeaters can be trouble prone. They
    > have to spend half their time listening and the other half talking, minus
    > some for overhead, so throughput really starts to be affected. I just
    > not have had much luck with repeaters, so I'm a bit jaded. Either way,
    > though, it's only a few clicks to switch modes. My money is still on
    > the AP Client mode for your situation as being most reliable, but it
    > looks like you have valid choices.
    >
    > --
    > Bill


    Thanks for all the information and education, Bill.
    DSL is looking better and better... :-)

    *TimDaniels*



  9. #29
    Bill M.
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:29:04 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:

    > Thanks for all the information and education, Bill.
    > DSL is looking better and better... :-)
    >
    >*TimDaniels*


    Gosh, I wasn't trying to push you toward DSL! :)
    By all means, though, do what's best for you. I'm sure it will all
    work out.

    --
    Bill

  10. #30
    Robert Coe
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:58:05 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
    <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote:
    : Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    :
    : I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    : I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    : via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    : to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    : to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    : The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    : terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    : just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    : the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    : a device (or devices) that can do this?
    :
    : *TimDaniels*

    Yes. What you're talking about is a "wireless bridge". To construct one,
    you'll need two additional wireless devices: access points, not routers.
    WAP54G's (even old ones) will do. Configure them in bridge mode; tell each of
    them (via their GUI's) about the MAC address of the other; and assign them to
    a channel other than the one on which you want your wireless router to
    operate. Then connect one of them (via Ethernet cable) to your cable modem and
    the other (also via Ethernet cable) to the WAN side of your router. Turn them
    on; they should sync up automatically; and you should be fine.

    Bob

  11. #31
    Robert Coe
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:58:21 -0800, "Timothy Daniels" : > If good, then pick
    up a wireless router that can run dd-wrt firmware,
    : > (I'm partial to the Linksys WRT54GL, but the dd-wrt website lists
    : > many supported models), which you would configure as a 'wireless
    : > client bridge'. The wireless router downstairs would be the Access Point,
    : > and the wireless router upstairs would be the client. The client connects
    : > to the AP and shares the connection via its 4 LAN ports.
    :
    : Does that mean that the only way to provide a wireless bridge
    : between the wireless router upstairs and the modem downstairs
    : is to flash a wireless router with 3rd-party firmware?

    Absolutely not. Virtually any old (and I do mean old) Wireless-G access point
    has the capability to act as half of a bridge. Just make sure that both sides
    are the same model, to guard against any manufacturer-specific idiosyncracies.

    Bob

  12. #32
    Robert Coe
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:14:41 -0600, Bill M. <wbillups@hotmail.com> wrote:
    : If I'm following the story correctly, you're suggesting the modem will
    : remain downstairs and everything else (wireless router, desktop PC,
    : laptop, and printer) will all move upstairs. All of the equipment
    : upstairs would continue to be connected to the router via Cat5 cables.
    :
    : I don't think that will work since it would require the bridge to be
    : placed downstairs, cabled to the modem, and connecting as a client to
    : the router's built in Access Point. That would put the bridge on the
    : router's LAN, while it needs to be on the router's WAN in that case.
    : Swapping the router and the bridge should work, leaving the router
    : cabled to the modem and acting as an Access Point, and the bridge
    : located upstairs acting as a wireless client. Unfortunately, that
    : probably means you need more ports upstairs, such as you'd find on a
    : switch or router.

    Ideally, you'd like to place the bridge on the LAN side of the router, because
    that's where internal IP addresses are available. If you construct the bridge
    out of two access points (the most straightforward method), they'll try to
    obtain IP addresses; and if they do, you can manage them in situ by their Port
    90 GUIs. But once it's been set up, a bridge doesn't need much management, so
    the additional convenience may not be worth the hassle. That said, it's easy
    enough to locate the router downstairs with the modem and generate your
    additional ports with a mini-hub connected to the upstairs end of the bridge.
    That's what I did, and it works fine. (I *haven't* been able to get my cable
    modem to work yet, but that's an entirely separate issue.)

    Bob

  13. #33
    Robert Coe
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:35:02 -0500, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
    : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:14:41 -0600, Bill M. <wbillups@hotmail.com> wrote:
    : : If I'm following the story correctly, you're suggesting the modem will
    : : remain downstairs and everything else (wireless router, desktop PC,
    : : laptop, and printer) will all move upstairs. All of the equipment
    : : upstairs would continue to be connected to the router via Cat5 cables.
    : :
    : : I don't think that will work since it would require the bridge to be
    : : placed downstairs, cabled to the modem, and connecting as a client to
    : : the router's built in Access Point. That would put the bridge on the
    : : router's LAN, while it needs to be on the router's WAN in that case.
    : : Swapping the router and the bridge should work, leaving the router
    : : cabled to the modem and acting as an Access Point, and the bridge
    : : located upstairs acting as a wireless client. Unfortunately, that
    : : probably means you need more ports upstairs, such as you'd find on a
    : : switch or router.
    :
    : Ideally, you'd like to place the bridge on the LAN side of the router, because
    : that's where internal IP addresses are available. If you construct the bridge
    : out of two access points (the most straightforward method), they'll try to
    : obtain IP addresses; and if they do, you can manage them in situ by their Port
    : 90 GUIs.

    A typo. It's port 80 (Web interface).

    : But once it's been set up, a bridge doesn't need much management, so
    : the additional convenience may not be worth the hassle. That said, it's easy
    : enough to locate the router downstairs with the modem and generate your
    : additional ports with a mini-hub connected to the upstairs end of the bridge.
    : That's what I did, and it works fine. (I *haven't* been able to get my cable
    : modem to work yet, but that's an entirely separate issue.)
    :
    : Bob


  14. #34
    Timothy Daniels
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    "Robert Coe" wrote:
    > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
    > : I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    > : I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    > : via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    > : to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    > : to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    > : The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    > : terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    > : just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    > : the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    > : a device (or devices) that can do this?
    > :
    > : *TimDaniels*
    >
    > Yes. What you're talking about is a "wireless bridge". To construct one,
    > you'll need two additional wireless devices: access points, not routers.
    > WAP54G's (even old ones) will do. Configure them in bridge mode; tell each of
    > them (via their GUI's) about the MAC address of the other; and assign them to
    > a channel other than the one on which you want your wireless router to
    > operate. Then connect one of them (via Ethernet cable) to your cable modem and
    > the other (also via Ethernet cable) to the WAN side of your router. Turn them
    > on; they should sync up automatically; and you should be fine.
    >
    > Bob


    I believe this is what you mean:
    http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=4202
    ,
    where my WRT54GS wireless router would take the place of the switch, and
    the downstairs WAP54G would connect directly to the modem.
    But I'd have to buy two WAP54G's, and that's a wee bit beyond my budget.

    *TimDaniels*



  15. #35
    Dan Atkins
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    "Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >
    > I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    > I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    > via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    > to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    > to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    > The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    > terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    > just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    > the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    > a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >
    > *TimDaniels*
    >
    >


    Can't you just buy a wireless card for the pc?

    Dan


  16. #36
    f/fgeorge
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:55:12 +0100, "Dan Atkins" <no@spam.com> wrote:

    >"Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    >news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >> Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >>
    >> I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    >> I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    >> via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    >> to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    >> to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    >> The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    >> terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    >> just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    >> the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    >> a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >>
    >> *TimDaniels*


    An Access Point may do what you want. You will need to buy two access
    points nad they will both HAVE to be LinkSys brand! An access point,
    setup in Bridge mode, is basically what you want, a wireless
    connection plugged into one thing, usually a router, and then the
    other end plugged into something else, usually a switch or hub. The
    two access points talk amongst themselves, creating a wireless Bridge
    between the 2 wired devices.

  17. #37
    Dan Atkins
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router


    "f/fgeorge" <ffgeorge@yourplace.com> wrote in message
    news:u8s8v4d4u65atgqtamllq5andif2pjq35r@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:55:12 +0100, "Dan Atkins" <no@spam.com> wrote:
    >
    >>"Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    >>news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >>> Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >>>
    >>> I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    >>> I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    >>> via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    >>> to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    >>> to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    >>> The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    >>> terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    >>> just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    >>> the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    >>> a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >>>
    >>> *TimDaniels*

    >
    > An Access Point may do what you want. You will need to buy two access
    > points nad they will both HAVE to be LinkSys brand! An access point,
    > setup in Bridge mode, is basically what you want, a wireless
    > connection plugged into one thing, usually a router, and then the
    > other end plugged into something else, usually a switch or hub. The
    > two access points talk amongst themselves, creating a wireless Bridge
    > between the 2 wired devices.



    Not necessarily, i used to have a standard netgear router hooked up to my
    cable modem, and then a dd-wrt linksys router which acted as a client to the
    netgear one. I think its called 'Client Mode Wireless', check it out on
    their website http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge , it
    definatly works with only one linksys dd-wrt as I've had it working before
    so you should beable to get away with your current router and then just
    having to purchase the one linksys. I've got a Linksys WRT54GS v7 with the
    dd-wrt firmware on it.

    Dan


  18. #38
    Dan Atkins
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router


    "Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >
    > I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    > I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    > via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    > to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    > to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    > The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    > terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    > just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    > the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    > a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >
    > *TimDaniels*
    >
    >


    Sorry i think i gave the wrong link

    http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Client_Bridged

    Dan


  19. #39
    Dan Atkins
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    Sorry i think i gave the wrong link

    http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Client_Bridged

    Dan

    "Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >
    > I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    > I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    > via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    > to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    > to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    > The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    > terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    > just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    > the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    > a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >
    > *TimDaniels*
    >
    >



  20. #40
    Dan Atkins
    Guest

    Re: need wireless connection between modem & router

    http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php..._Mode_Wireless

    Sorry i will get the right link lol

    Dan

    "Dan Atkins" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:0024903d$0$18592$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    > Sorry i think i gave the wrong link
    >
    > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Client_Bridged
    >
    > Dan
    >
    > "Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in message
    > news:Fc6dnfig2PA0sujUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >> Linksys's Support personnel struck out on this, but here goes:
    >>
    >> I have a Linksys wireless router, model no. WRT54GS, v.7.
    >> I have a desktop, a laptop, and a printer connected to the router
    >> via cat 5 cables running10Mb Ethernet. The router also connects
    >> to a cable modem via cat 6 cable running 10Mb Ethernet. I want
    >> to move the router, desktop, laptop, and printer upstairs in my condo.
    >> The cable modem must remain downstairs where the coaxial cable
    >> terminates because of difficulties in running a cable upstairs. (Please
    >> just believe me.) The problem is how to link the cable modem to
    >> the router by wirelessly simulating an Ethernet cable. Is there
    >> a device (or devices) that can do this?
    >>
    >> *TimDaniels*
    >>
    >>

    >



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