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  1. #21
    f/fgeorge
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    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:30 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    wrote:


    >>
    >>I have Comcast, have for many years now, and have never experienced
    >>throttling. I up and sownload several cd's worth of data every month
    >>and have no problems. I can almost always get the 6mb and the boost up
    >>to 12, or 16 or whatever, from most sites over a large downlaod. Now
    >>there are some sites I can not get over 2 or 3mb! But that is the same
    >>on my friends FIOS too. I used to use giganews, comcasts news server,
    >>I have been thru several. I now use EasyNews for all my newsgroup
    >>stuff, yes it is a pay for use service, but I can up and download with
    >>no throttling at all. I use EasyNews because of the retention and the
    >>small amount I have to pay to get it. EasyNews does limit its
    >>uploading to 200 posts in a 24 hour period, but that is not a problem
    >>for me.

    >
    >it depends on how much you download per month, or at least it did.
    >if all you downloaded in a month was several cd's, let's say about 3
    >gigabytes per month, with a 250gigabyte cap, comcast wouldn't throttle
    >you because your d/l is really small. i have been downloading from
    >giga,newscene,apn and a few more i forgot for about 10 years now and
    >of course up until comcast sent out their throtte email last month, i
    >was never throttled at all and use to pull down binaries at about 2.2
    >Mb.
    >you get throttled when comcast looks in your direction and thinks your
    >downlaoding has become too large for their taste, although dsl reports
    >said that comcast now has a full time throttling algorithm in place,
    >but I don't know how accurate the report is. It seems that comcast
    >used to keep you throttled, if they had ever throttled you. I am using
    >'you' metaphorically. please, just because you have not experienced
    >something does not mean it doesn't exist, it jus means that you have
    >not experienced it.

    ACTUALLY I do not and will not get throttled by Comcast, at least not
    yet! I have their Business Class Service which means NO bandwidth caps
    and NO throttling. I have only had it for a couple of years now and
    have never experienced bandwidth throttling prior to having it. I am
    now bowing out of this conversation as I have no more relevant data to
    provide. Thanks for the conversations.

  2. #22
    Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    wrote:

    >Business Class Service

    this explains why no throttling or caps.

  3. #23
    Kyle68
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:47 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com said...
    >
    >On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Business Class Service

    >this explains why no throttling or caps.


    I dropped Giganews recently, and after shopping a few other providers (Easynews,
    Newsguy, Newshosting) I settled on Newsguy. I was getting spotty connection
    performance to Giganews through my Roadrunner cable connection, but have seen
    quick download speeds through Newsguy.

    Depending upon the ISP and how they're throttling your connection, you may want
    to try an alternate NNTP port number. The standard port is 119, and you may be
    able to bypass an ISP's restriction on that port by using a different number.
    Newsguy for example allows you to connect through several ports (8080, 80, 563,
    443), and I use the 80 option.

    Someone also mentioned concurrent connections, and that's a good suggestion as
    well. I was only getting 10 connection through Giganews, and currently get 32
    through my Newsguy service. I'm also paying a lot less (Newsguy 60GB / $10.95 -
    Giganews 35GB / $12.99), get free SSL and my unused GB's rollover (something
    Giganews doesn't do).

    Most of the bigger services off free trials, and you may want to check out a few
    to see if your dload speeds improve.

    K


  4. #24
    Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On 15 Jan 2009 11:40:05 -0800, Kyle68 <kyle68@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:47 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com said...
    >>
    >>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Business Class Service

    >>this explains why no throttling or caps.

    >
    >I dropped Giganews recently, and after shopping a few other providers (Easynews,
    >Newsguy, Newshosting) I settled on Newsguy. I was getting spotty connection
    >performance to Giganews through my Roadrunner cable connection, but have seen
    >quick download speeds through Newsguy.
    >
    >Depending upon the ISP and how they're throttling your connection, you may want
    >to try an alternate NNTP port number. The standard port is 119, and you may be
    >able to bypass an ISP's restriction on that port by using a different number.
    >Newsguy for example allows you to connect through several ports (8080, 80, 563,
    >443), and I use the 80 option.
    >
    >Someone also mentioned concurrent connections, and that's a good suggestion as
    >well. I was only getting 10 connection through Giganews, and currently get 32
    >through my Newsguy service. I'm also paying a lot less (Newsguy 60GB / $10.95 -
    >Giganews 35GB / $12.99), get free SSL and my unused GB's rollover (something
    >Giganews doesn't do).
    >
    >Most of the bigger services off free trials, and you may want to check out a few
    >to see if your dload speeds improve.
    >
    >K


    one good bit of news is obama's new appointment for the FCC. The woman
    is a former law professor who won't tolerate all of the lies and crap
    comcast pulls, like filling the hearing seats with comcast employees
    in it's first hearings with the bush fcc. I expect comcast will be
    broken up like bell tel. this geographical monopoly crap has to end
    once and for all.

  5. #25
    Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC), Bit Twister
    <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    >On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:09:28 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com wrote:
    >>
    >> no absolutely sure about it. i have 16MBit, and up until about a month
    >> ago, i coudl pull in about 2.2megabytes per. then for about a month i
    >> was downloading some huge files. then one sad day i connected my
    >> newsreader and i could never, ever get past about 1 MB per down, most
    >> of the time dropping into the high K's. it looks like these jackasses
    >> start throttling you and never unthrottle you.

    >
    >When I had Comcast cable, the giganews server was throttled.
    >
    >> i swear that those
    >> people at comcast are lost in space. as with everyone else in the
    >> universe, once FIOS comes to town they hoover all of comcraps internet
    >> customers. I just do not have FIOS yet.

    >
    >Now that I am on FIOS, news server not throttled. News server
    >connection was overloaded.
    >

    i have no idea of what you are saying. FIOS is not a WAN, so how could
    FIOS be causing a news server to be overloaded, or is this one of
    'wired magazines' comcast stealth employees?

    >Solution: server only carries Big 8, text only, news group.
    >
    >


  6. #26
    Bit Twister
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:17:10 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com wrote:

    > i have no idea of what you are saying.


    I can see that.

    > FIOS is not a WAN,


    I never said it was.

    > so how could FIOS be causing a news server to be overloaded,


    More people on FIOS created more traffic and same people downloaded
    more files from news server at a faster rate. Faster pipe locally
    relieved local congestion. Congestion just moved upstream.

    > or is this one of 'wired magazines' comcast stealth employees?


    No way. Just another Verizon customer charged more money for less service.

  7. #27
    f/fgeorge
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:47 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Business Class Service

    >this explains why no throttling or caps.


    Which is why I told you I was giving you my experiences BEFORE I went
    to the Business Class! You can quote what you'd like BUT I DID tell
    you all of this. Your little snipet above makes it look like you found
    something AMAZING and REVEALING! It isn't, it is you trying to make
    your point. Face it YOU are being throttled and I am not! Now you can
    either snip more of my words to make it sound good for you OR you can
    upgrade your service and be done with all of this. Bitch or change,
    your choice! Life is full of choices, not all are easy, not all are
    free. Stand in the middle of the road and get run over, or move and
    live, another choice. Comcast is throttling because they can get more
    money for more service. If you continue to pay for what you are
    getting they will also continue taking your money. Business is kinda
    like that, as long as someone is willing to pay, take their money!!!
    Remember the old story about the plumber...customer thought he was
    bing overcharged so got an itemized bill. $50.00 charge just for
    coming out, $0.10 part, $50.00 for knowing what part and what to do
    with it!

  8. #28
    Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:17:12 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:47 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Business Class Service

    >>this explains why no throttling or caps.

    >
    >Which is why I told you I was giving you my experiences BEFORE I went
    >to the Business Class! You can quote what you'd like BUT I DID tell
    >you all of this. Your little snipet above makes it look like you found
    >something AMAZING and REVEALING! It isn't, it is you trying to make
    >your point. Face it YOU are being throttled and I am not! Now you can
    >either snip more of my words to make it sound good for you OR you can
    >upgrade your service and be done with all of this. Bitch or change,
    >your choice! Life is full of choices, not all are easy, not all are
    >free. Stand in the middle of the road and get run over, or move and
    >live, another choice. Comcast is throttling because they can get more
    >money for more service. If you continue to pay for what you are
    >getting they will also continue taking your money. Business is kinda
    >like that, as long as someone is willing to pay, take their money!!!
    >Remember the old story about the plumber...customer thought he was
    >bing overcharged so got an itemized bill. $50.00 charge just for
    >coming out, $0.10 part, $50.00 for knowing what part and what to do
    >with it!


    before you get hysterical and wet yourself, what in the **** are you
    talking about? I didn't say or pass any freaking value judgements on
    you, i didn't know i even did. if you are prone to psychosis dude,
    leave me out of it. take your meds.

  9. #29
    Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:51:24 +0000 (UTC), Bit Twister
    <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    >On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:17:10 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com wrote:
    >
    >> i have no idea of what you are saying.

    >
    >I can see that.
    >
    >> FIOS is not a WAN,

    >
    >I never said it was.
    >
    >> so how could FIOS be causing a news server to be overloaded,

    >
    >More people on FIOS created more traffic and same people downloaded
    >more files from news server at a faster rate. Faster pipe locally
    >relieved local congestion. Congestion just moved upstream.
    >
    >> or is this one of 'wired magazines' comcast stealth employees?

    >
    >No way. Just another Verizon customer charged more money for less service.


    why are you people so touchy? I was TRYING TO FIND OUT what server you
    were talking about, so i asked you, and now you unload a ton of crap
    on me. I was told by verizon FIOS was not a wan, so it was not subject
    to a slow down like comcast, which is a WAN. are you saying that
    giganews servers or a commercial newsfarm is the server that is more
    congested because of FIOS?

  10. #30
    Bit Twister
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:41:11 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com wrote:

    > why are you people so touchy?


    I am not "so touchy". You made comments/questions, I responded.

    > I was TRYING TO FIND OUT what server you were talking about,


    Sorry, I missed your question. Looking back through the thread, I can
    see why. You NEVER ASKED.

    It was Verizion's usenet server.
    I only knew of two, both up around Maryland/New York.

    > so i asked you, and now you unload a ton of crap on me.


    You make crap statement/question you get crap responses. Just one example:
    "or is this one of 'wired magazines' comcast stealth employees?"

    > I was told by verizon FIOS was not a wan,


    Hmmm, you might find this definition illuminating.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Network

    > so it was not subject to a slow down like comcast, which is a WAN.


    Both are WANs. Comcast had problems with their overloaded auth servers
    so I added code to my usenet script to watch gateway ping times to
    give me a heads up when the gateway and/or news server was slow.

    When I first got FIOS gateway response was impressive at under 5
    milli-seconds during prime time. As I type this at 2am response is now
    $ ping -c1 gw
    PING isp_gateway (96.226.25.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from isp_gateway (96.226.25.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=126 time=10.1 ms

    As you can see, gateway response time is starting to creep up.

    A quick check of my script shows I have set delay threshold alarm for
    Verizion's News server at 64 milli-seconds. Speed at this time is

    $ ping -c1 news.verizon.net
    PING news.verizon.net (199.45.49.11) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from news.verizon.net (199.45.49.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=63.1 ms


    > are you saying that giganews servers or a commercial newsfarm is the
    > server that is more congested because of FIOS?


    No, I was saying Verizon's own Usenet server was getting slower and slower.
    You asked why. I was telling you as Verizon added on FIOS customers
    we saw slower and slower responses. FIOS just allows us to hit the
    server faster and demand downloads faster. That creates more
    load/congestion at the gateway serving the news server and an
    increased load on the news server.

    Verizion's Usenet response time is now quite snappy because they
    dropped everything but the big 8 text only news groups and a bunch of
    verizon customers have gone to other Usenet servers.

    A quick scroll back through the thread indicates you were banging
    around on two different themes but was/are trying to put theory on
    Usenet servers.

    The players in your Who Done It are, your gateway, ISP and server.

    Running a ping plot on your gateway would show any gateway congestion.

    Doing a few DVD/CD download test should bring to light that your ISP is
    throttling your connection.

    Once those were ruled out/understood you would then be able to monitor
    the news server for throttling which was what caused you to start the
    thread.

    In the past I have seen servers dynamically throttle users as the
    server load increased. Most were by reducing number of simultaneous
    connections by a single user. I believe Giganews would throttle any
    Comcast connection in the past. That was part the agreement along with
    max number of bytes per month.

    Giganews offered Comcast customers a slight discount if you wanted to
    buy a higher speed/qouta limits.

  11. #31
    Kyle68
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:14:28 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com said...
    >
    >On 15 Jan 2009 11:40:05 -0800, Kyle68 <kyle68@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:47 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Baggins@shire.com said...
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:45 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge@yourplace.com>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Business Class Service
    >>>this explains why no throttling or caps.

    >>
    >>I dropped Giganews recently, and after shopping a few other providers (Easynews,
    >>Newsguy, Newshosting) I settled on Newsguy. I was getting spotty connection
    >>performance to Giganews through my Roadrunner cable connection, but have seen
    >>quick download speeds through Newsguy.
    >>
    >>Depending upon the ISP and how they're throttling your connection, you may want
    >>to try an alternate NNTP port number. The standard port is 119, and you may be
    >>able to bypass an ISP's restriction on that port by using a different number.
    >>Newsguy for example allows you to connect through several ports (8080, 80, 563,
    >>443), and I use the 80 option.
    >>
    >>Someone also mentioned concurrent connections, and that's a good suggestion as
    >>well. I was only getting 10 connection through Giganews, and currently get 32
    >>through my Newsguy service. I'm also paying a lot less (Newsguy 60GB / $10.95 -
    >>Giganews 35GB / $12.99), get free SSL and my unused GB's rollover (something
    >>Giganews doesn't do).
    >>
    >>Most of the bigger services off free trials, and you may want to check out a few
    >>to see if your dload speeds improve.
    >>
    >>K

    >
    >one good bit of news is obama's new appointment for the FCC. The woman
    >is a former law professor who won't tolerate all of the lies and crap
    >comcast pulls, like filling the hearing seats with comcast employees
    >in it's first hearings with the bush fcc. I expect comcast will be
    >broken up like bell tel. this geographical monopoly crap has to end
    >once and for all.


    That is good news, and I agree with your monopoly comments! More consumer
    choices will drive these guys to deliver a better product (pricing, quality of
    service, etc.) all of which benefits a failing economy. I hope the FCC takes a
    look at this sooner rather than later.

    K


  12. #32
    chbartel
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    On Jan 5, 8:09*pm, Fosco_Bleecker-Bagg...@shire.com wrote:
    > On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:58:53 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeo...@yourplace.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:19:39 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Bagg...@shire.com
    > >wrote:

    >
    > >>comcast is throttling my giganews server. does anyone have any ideas
    > >>if this is permanent, applies only to nntp packets, or how comcast
    > >>does this.

    > >IF they really are throttling it is done at the main station and there
    > >is nothing you or I can do about it. Are you sure they are throttling?
    > >Could it be just a slow net and/or a slow connect point? Look here and
    > >then click on the closet to you and you can drill down to see if yours
    > >is slow.http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm

    >
    > no absolutely sure about it. i have 16MBit, and up until about a month
    > ago, i coudl pull in about 2.2megabytes per. then for about a month i
    > was downloading some huge files. then one sad day i connected my
    > newsreader and i could never, ever get past about 1 MB per down, most
    > of the time dropping into the high K's. it looks like these jackasses
    > start throttling you and never unthrottle you. i swear that those
    > people at comcast are lost in space. as with everyone else in the
    > universe, once FIOS comes to town they hoover all of comcraps internet
    > customers. I just do not have FIOS yet.


    I am certain they are throttling giganews as well.

    I have been able to get 1.2megabytes per second for 15 months, just
    the past two weeks, it has now dropped to about 900k!! Nothing has
    changed on my end.

    Maybe it's time to move to Uverse. I told myself as soon as sucky
    comcast started this crap I would move to something else.
    Here I pay for Comcasts highest level of service, and I am getting
    throttled? I will move off Comcast as soon as I can.


  13. #33
    Stefan
    Guest

    Re: comcast throttling giganews

    chbartel <craig@crager-bartels.com> wrote in news:0068bc5e-886d-4b71-bbfb-
    ea8cf36a426e@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:

    > On Jan 5, 8:09*pm, Fosco_Bleecker-Bagg...@shire.com wrote:
    >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:58:53 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeo...@yourplace.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:19:39 -0500, Fosco_Bleecker-Bagg...@shire.com
    >> >wrote:

    >>
    >> >>comcast is throttling my giganews server. does anyone have any ideas
    >> >>if this is permanent, applies only to nntp packets, or how comcast
    >> >>does this.
    >> >IF they really are throttling it is done at the main station and there
    >> >is nothing you or I can do about it. Are you sure they are throttling?
    >> >Could it be just a slow net and/or a slow connect point? Look here and
    >> >then click on the closet to you and you can drill down to see if yours
    >> >is slow.http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm

    >>
    >> no absolutely sure about it. i have 16MBit, and up until about a month
    >> ago, i coudl pull in about 2.2megabytes per. then for about a month i
    >> was downloading some huge files. then one sad day i connected my
    >> newsreader and i could never, ever get past about 1 MB per down, most
    >> of the time dropping into the high K's. it looks like these jackasses
    >> start throttling you and never unthrottle you. i swear that those
    >> people at comcast are lost in space. as with everyone else in the
    >> universe, once FIOS comes to town they hoover all of comcraps internet
    >> customers. I just do not have FIOS yet.

    >
    > I am certain they are throttling giganews as well.
    >
    > I have been able to get 1.2megabytes per second for 15 months, just
    > the past two weeks, it has now dropped to about 900k!! Nothing has
    > changed on my end.
    >
    > Maybe it's time to move to Uverse. I told myself as soon as sucky
    > comcast started this crap I would move to something else.
    > Here I pay for Comcasts highest level of service, and I am getting
    > throttled? I will move off Comcast as soon as I can.


    Comcast was recently busted by the FCC for throttling P2P connections, but
    they're appealing that ruling, so who knows what they're currently doing
    within their network. Cox Communications announced that they're testing a
    throttling arrangement in Kansas & Arkansas, but I'm sure it will find its
    way to the rest of their network shortly. The following article may or may
    not be of interest...

    http://www.newsadmin.com/usenet_comm...y_02092009.asp

  14. #34

    Giganews BLOCK?

    I know this is an old thread, but after hitting 450 GB this month, I can't even access giganews on Comcast through port 563.

    I can connect fine through non SSL 119, but no dice on 563 or 443. Anyone else experience this? Is this even legal?

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