I had this sent to me by a friend and it certainly opened my eyes to how some different Americans think.

Sometimes the opinions on this board start to get too personal, as did some in this post, and when that happens I usually give up. In a good discussion, there should be no personal whipping. Right or wrong, in my eyes, everyone has an opinion, and I defend their right to express it. I am more afraid of those who have nothing to say.

The Post "To All My Valued Employees," should be read by everyone. If you are a business owner, you will probably see some of yourself, if you are an employee, it will show you some of the other side. Remember these are small businesses, not the big multi-nationals. The small business is what is going to save your country.


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* (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 12:29 pm
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The mainstream media is finally recognizing "The Obama Effect"...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html

The Dow was actually headed upwards this morning, after the unemployment figures were announced. Twenty minutes after "O" finished his speech, it had lost another 70 points. Every time the man opens his mouth America loses another $80 billion in net worth. Let's hope it recovers somewhat by day's end.

I especially like O's tax plan that will result in just 50% of all Americans paying *any* taxes. For the first time in our history, a majority voting block of non-taxpayers -- people with no stake in controlling expenses -- will be able to elect anyone they want to office.

We are soooo screwed.

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
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Posted by Chad Email (7807) on March 6, 2009, 4:41 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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I usually stay out of the politics on this site, but here is an interesting perspective in this:

> To All My Valued Employees,
>
> There have been some rumblings around the office about the
> future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As
> you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents
> many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy
> doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten
> your job however, is the changing political landscape in
> this country.
>
> However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which
> might help you decide what is in your best interests.
>
> First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts
> employers against employees, you have to understand that for
> every business owner there is a back story. This back story
> is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and
> hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've
> seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm
> sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some
> idealized thoughts about my life.
>
> However, what you don't see is the back story.
>
> I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived
> in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire
> living apartment was converted into an office so I could put
> forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way,
> would eventually employ you.
>
> My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every
> dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty
> Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't
> have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends,
> while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I
> was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and
> sacrifice.
>
> Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week
> and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they
> earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes
> and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the
> Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was
> trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing
> item that didn't look like it was birthed in the
> 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a
> life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my
> money, and my life into a business with a vision that
> eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these
> luxuries my friends supposedly had.
>
> So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am,
> mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I
> don't. There is no "off" button for me. When
> you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend
> all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I
> eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There
> is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour.
> Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year
> old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits
> of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the
> vacations... you never realize the back story and the
> sacrifices I've made.
>
> Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made
> all the right decisions and saved his money, have to
> bail-out all the people who didn't. The people that
> overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same
> luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life
> for.
>
> Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price
> I've paid is steep and not without wounds.
>
> Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and
> employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of
> marginal benefit and let me tell you why:
>
> I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I
> don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes.
> Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers
> compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I
> have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then
> guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him.
> Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting
> that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th,
> I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for
> quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check
> was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.
>
> The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the
> economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying
> jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a
> flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home
> pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare
> check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the
> economic stimulus of this country.
>
> The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your
> paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I
> mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get
> rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is
> why your job is in jeopardy.
>
> Here is what many of you don't understand ... to
> stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the
> economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I
> didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of
> depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I
> would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated
> substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed
> the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and
> better salaries. But you can forget it now.
>
> When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you
> don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that
> will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate
> his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always
> has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it.
> Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor
> of America are the essential drivers of the American
> economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and
> this is the type of change you can keep.
>
> So where am I going with all this?
>
> It's quite simple.
>
> If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my
> reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your
> co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay
> for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future.
> Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.
>
> Then, I will close this company down, move to another
> country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done
> with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to
> the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs
> will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.
>
> So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of
> the economy; it will be at the hands of a political
> hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the
> constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever.
> If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach,
> retired, and with no employees to worry about....
>
> Signed,
> Your boss

Chad Sandstedt
N56902 - 1974 Archer
Fallbrook, CA (L18)
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Posted by gregg (crw) WV Email (5822) on March 6, 2009, 4:27 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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your observation is known as the "miller equation"...unfortunately, once this happens there can be no hope for recovery...why would the majority of takers vote any other way
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Posted by Alan Waggoner Email (2610) on March 6, 2009, 4:20 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Krauthammer has a good one also.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ky_budget.html

“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money”

~~~ Margaret Thatcher ~~~
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+ Hey Ed

Posted by gregg (crw) WV Email (5822) on March 6, 2009, 5:01 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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if you read this stimulating article, read the last two lines several times.... ha ha ha

Alan, thanks for posting it... BHO is gonna teach those rich bastards a lesson (sic)
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 4:38 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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An excellent analysis, although Krautheimer misses the essence of the Obama Effect on our economy. It's almost like these guys can't see the 600 pound gorilla in the room because they're sitting too close to see it.

Jay Honeck
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Ercoupe N94856
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o Plunging another day

Posted by KenM Email (2411) on March 6, 2009, 2:46 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Down over 120 pts but bouncing back. 3500 wont be far at this rate. we live in very interesting times. We are living in what will become a historic time in our countries history.

Again I ask, especially to you Ed; show me a country that has taxed its way to prosperity and while we are at it a country that has spent its way to prosperity.

The Presidents plan that is if he has an actual plan is doomed to fail. I fear this man will do more harm in the next 2 years than any President in history, or all Presidnet collectivly in history. His ideology is frightening. He has realized that he is way over his head. He is demonstrating his fear by runnning to where it is comfortable...the stump. He has a 747 and an open checkbook to continue his running and hiding to groups that are hand selected to hear his message and respond by cheering for someone who is the savior and will give them a car, a kitchen or a job no longer at McDonalds. Notice please that I have not today or at anytime disrespected the President. I unlike many will not stoop to calling him unkind names and insulting the office of President.

If he had any guts, any idea how to manage an organization he would take control in DC, stay home for awhile and get business done. He wont. He has, in my opinion he has given over control of the economy to the congress, Harry and Nan to do as they please. You see when he fails, and he will, when the spendulus package fails, and it will, when all the bail out money to AIG, GM, Chrysler and Citi dry up and those companies fail into bankruptcy he will then throw Pelosi under the bus and send her packing to SF. Wise man isn't he...or is he a coward? Oddly enough it is reported that Deloitte & Touche are about to toss GM into the scrap heap. All of our money, money given to GM will be gone. Now we all own GM...

Life, liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. Ed you were so upset along with Keith when the Bush Administration "eaves dropped" on cell phones. Yet to this day nothing is said about the historical erosion of our liberties by your or Keith. Why is that?

To the Obama administration life is cheap. It can be sucked away easily, it is paid for by American taxpayers, to be done in Mexico, to be done in backyard clinics all over America. Soon when the Obama Health Plan takes control all of your health records Keith and Ed will become public information. You know the government cannot keep stuff secret? Your credit history Ed, your criminal record, should you have one (and I know you dont) your record Ed in the military, all of it is easily obtained. Now soon everything about your medical history will be availabel at the click of the mouse. What outcry do I hear from you about that errosion of our privacy? Soon when the government controls and rations out medical care, and they will if the Government Medical Insurance Scam program takes effect, if Ed when you and I and Keith are old, we need a major procedure, do you think that money will become the object of the decision? you see if life is cheap, if it is simply sucked into a bag and tossed into a landfill what makes you think that there will be any value to our old carcasses when we are old? If the government can abort you while in the womb they can euthanize you when you get old and become a burden.

Liberty, the freedom to act or believe without being stopped by unnecessary force, is generally considered in modern time to be a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will.

I ask you gentlemen how many liberties will the current administration take from us? Read the fine print on the Omnibus Budget Spending bill. We are all poised to lose many of our liberties. Hell we've lost the liberty to fly unempeeded, unencumbered in many areas. The Obama dream is control and dominance from a central governement. One where a single party administers their justice on the empoverished American people.

The Persuit of Happiness is gone when we have lost our liberties. No sense wasting timem talking about that. It too shall come.

I seriously doubt it Ed and Keith for that matter if either of you bothered to listen to the speech that Limbaugh gave before CPAC. I would suggest you find it and listen to it. It is a brilliant illustration of the American persuit of Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. I am sure you wont find it on CNN or MSNBC. In fact I am sure that they did not even listen to it themselves. I challenge you to find a copy of it and listen to it. Then lets talk about it. I think that you will be amazed to find how much you can relate to the principal he espouses.

If you dont...you can continue to berate him with eveidence based on ill begotten facts, Oberman and his gang of pundits. They all seem to have the answers. You know he has been around almost as long as that icon Helen Thomas. She is considered an icon of the the left...many consider her to be a worn out old liberal who needs to retire and tend to the chickens.

Cheers!



"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of
confi*dence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the
chains of the Constitution."

Thomas Jefferson 1798 Kentucky Resolutions
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Posted by Gray Email (1128) on March 6, 2009, 6:16 pm, in reply to "Plunging another day"
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Excellent post! Very well put. You got my vote.

Gray
'66 180C
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Posted by gregg (crw) WV Email (5822) on March 6, 2009, 4:48 pm, in reply to "Plunging another day"
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damn! who wound you up today I like it
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Posted by Ed Murphy Email (9840) on March 6, 2009, 2:01 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Don't you have some beds to make? Or, some toilets to scrub?
You'd be far better off doing that than posting this drivel.
You may be the only person on this chat board to have less relevance than Gregg (w/3 g's).
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Posted by gregg (crw) WV Email (5822) on March 6, 2009, 4:41 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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eddie boy, you don't have time to write your incoherent dribble...please get back to work, pay more taxes so I can take another trip on your dime... You are doing better on the math... just try to remember that 1/2 is the same as .5 is the same as 50%..I realize its tough for you but keep trying....

I understand a used car dealer in your area is hiring...you are well qualified... sucking stains of used car seats
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Posted by Alan Waggoner Email (2610) on March 6, 2009, 2:36 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Yeah Jay, only post something bad if a republican did it. Otherwise, it's drivel. Be nice to Ed. He can't help it he's a carpet bagging, snowbirded, yellow dog democrat yankee transplant with a short fuselaged 235. Should of bought the 73 Ed.

The least relevant cretin on this board and proud of it.

Alan Waggoner


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+ Brilliant...

Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 2:26 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Brilliant response, Ed. Concise, well thought-out, and eloquent. A paradigm of wit and logic.

I now fully understand the inner workings of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid supporters, and their leaders' plans for our economic recovery.

Don't ever change.

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
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# Re: Brilliant...

Posted by Ed Murphy Email (9840) on March 6, 2009, 5:45 pm, in reply to "Brilliant..."
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You still can't explain yourself, can you?
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Posted by Robert Bell Email (2983) on March 6, 2009, 1:05 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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O.K Jay, now you know I am a day trader, I am going to take you at your word and short the market on his
next speech......we will split the profits since it is your idea.

Sold the Cherokee....will be a Mooney driver. I hope to bring Tannis up to your place this summer.
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 2:48 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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One of the economic screaming meemies on cable TV was actually advocating that as an investment strategy. Let us know how it works.

(Although hopefully -- PLEASE? -- we must be getting near the bottom of this market...)

Jay Honeck
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Posted by Dave Email (6046) on March 6, 2009, 1:02 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Jay,

You seem to think you have the answers to the US's problems, talk is cheap, but are you active politically at any level from local to DC? It takes active envolvment by many individuals to change the things you are complaining about.

Dave
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Posted by JIm (1767) on March 6, 2009, 12:57 pm, in reply to "(Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Got to get over it. What can we do besides give it lip service?
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 2:12 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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There's only one thing to do: Plan for the next election cycle. Throw every one of the bums out!

Jay Honeck
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Posted by Dave Email (6046) on March 6, 2009, 2:16 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Jay

You need to get to work throwing the bums out or shut up, I would like to hear about your plans?

Dave
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* Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!

Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 2:43 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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You trying to start a revolution, Dave? If so, I'll be right beside you.

As for plans, here are three things that Obama/Pelosi/Reid need to do right now, or we're all screwed:

1. SHUT THE HELL UP. The leader of the free world's largest economy should not be on the news every day preaching doom and gloom. Every time he says "It's terrible, and it's gonna get worse" it's like Babe Ruth pointing at the left field wall. He's actually leading the markets with his negative babbling.

2. STOP DOING ANYTHING. It's clear that the Gummint has NO idea what they are doing WRT this economic crisis. They are lurching from bailout to bailout, throwing trillions of borrowed dollars at a "problem" that they can't even fully define. Doing nothing right now is a better option than doing the wrong thing -- which the markets obviously think is happening.

The Obama people need to take a breath, push back from the table, and vow to do NOTHING for two weeks while they actually study what's happening. Trouble is, a guy whose prior experience is as a "neighborhood organizer" and who has been elected on a platform that says "Gummint is the answer!" simply doesn't understand that sometimes Gummint is powerless.

3. QUIT ATTACKING CAPITALISM Everything that comes out of Obama/Pelosi/Reid's mouth lately seems to be a direct, frontal assault on our free-market system, from nationalizing banks and health care to threatening energy companies. Capitalism has built the highest standard of living the world has ever known, and attacking the basis of our way of life is (at best) counter-productive to any economic recovery. Read the Wall Street Journal article (in my original post) for a broader description of what I mean.

Gee, this is fun. I'll bet any one of us here could write a better economic recovery plan than we've seen unfolding in Washington, D.C. What do YOU guys think the Gummint should be doing right now to aid in our economic recovery, if anything? Let's build our own "CHerokee Economic Recovery Plan" (CHERP, for short) and send it to Washington...

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
http://www.AlexisParkInn.com
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Posted by Dave Email (6046) on March 6, 2009, 4:19 pm, in reply to "Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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Jay

You did not answer my question, what are you going to do to implement the changes you would like see? Posting complaints, ideas, and rants on an aviation forum does nothing to change anything, it takes well laid plans, money and action to change anything. You have strong beliefs of what this country needs, but what are you going to do yourself to change the country's political direction?

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+ Understanding Jay

Posted by Ed Murphy Email (9840) on March 6, 2009, 5:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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If you know anything about Jay you know that he is first and foremost a whiner of massive size. He offers little of substance, just complaint, after complaint, after complaints. And few of those have any relevance in fact.
He rarely offers any valid/substantials solutions (mostly just retread hashings from Fox News, et. al.), but he's great at identifying problems, those things that he sees as problems.
I guess 'cause he's from Iowa he thinks he knows everything. And, if you don't agree with his weird assessment of politics and economics, then you are the strange one. "You just don't get it."
Just please, please, please don't get him started on his theory about government employees not paying any taxes. Gawd, that was awful.
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 4:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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Interesting question.

I suppose if, under Obama's "leadership", our economy continues to spiral down the toilet of history, I will have plenty of time on my hands to run for office.

Until then, however, I'm in a fight for economic survival. We're holding our own so far, but tomorrow is never assured...

It's the paradox of our times, isn't it? Only people with time to spare can affect change on our political system.

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
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o Re: Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!

Posted by Alan Waggoner Email (2610) on March 6, 2009, 2:46 pm, in reply to "Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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4. Get rid of the TSA. Money saved, freedom restored.

“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money”

~~~ Margaret Thatcher ~~~
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Posted by Jay Honeck Email (2075) on March 6, 2009, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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I'll go ya one better:

5. Get rid of the entire "Department of Homeland Security" -- a bloated, over-arching, too-powerful and too-expensive bunch of bureacrats. Let the NSA, FBI, and CIA do their things without yet another bunch of over-paid stuffed shirts wringing their hands over them.

Jay Honeck
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Posted by Ed Murphy Email (9840) on March 6, 2009, 5:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Recovery Plan Ideas -- Add Your Own!"
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Fans of the Coast Guard may not like that idea.
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# Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again

Posted by LTC V Email (2898) on March 6, 2009, 2:15 pm, in reply to "Re: (Non-Av) The Obama Effect, again"
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Roger that - every incumbent will NOT get my vote - don't care of party affiliation either...