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    Vaccines as Biological Weapons?

    Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries



    There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death.

    There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

    Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?


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    http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
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    Crap, sorry man. You got the scoop. I didn't realize that it had been posted. Mombad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Crap, sorry man. You got the scoop. I didn't realize that it had been posted. Mombad.
    It doesn't matter who gets credit, I'm just glad someone has their eyes open.

    What I meant about wasting your time in the other thread, was that I'm not too sure that anyone on the board cares.. (hope you didn't take it the wrong way.)

    After all it is just some more tinfoil -CT stuff, etc...

    I've never had a flu vaccine, and do not want one...
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    Your about as old as me. So you do not need the new vaccine to fix the old vaccine b4 you got [the] vaccine?

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    What a delightfully conflicted site, David.

    I am rather curious to see what shakes out. The material in question should never have been close to the vaccine. Seems a bit like the cyanide laced Tylenol of a couple decades past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    What a delightfully conflicted site, David.

    I am rather curious to see what shakes out. The material in question should never have been close to the vaccine. Seems a bit like the cyanide laced Tylenol of a couple decades past.

    Think Ryan White and Factor VIII.

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    Very intresting link, not a word in UK media about any of this, which don't surprise me any more, really nice site thanks for the heads up.
    When people are in need they tend to be nice, so it is best to not judge a person until they are content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Think Ryan White and Factor VIII.
    haemophilia? Please elaborate on the connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    haemophilia? Please elaborate on the connection.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_VIII

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...ewanted=1=2157

    A division of the pharmaceutical company Bayer sold millions of dollars of blood-clotting medicine for hemophiliacs -- medicine that carried a high risk of transmitting AIDS -- to Asia and Latin America in the mid-1980's while selling a new, safer product in the West, according to documents obtained by The New York Times.


    The Bayer unit, Cutter Biological, introduced its safer medicine in late February 1984 as evidence mounted that the earlier version was infecting hemophiliacs with H.I.V. Yet for over a year, the company continued to sell the old medicine overseas, prompting a United States regulator to accuse Cutter of breaking its promise to stop selling the product.

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    Evan,

    I remember Ryan White and know the clotting cascade, however the start of the epidemic predates the Bayer incident. The safety of our blood supply was questionable during said time, being that it was not screened for this virus and many others. Anyone receiving a transmission was at risk, haemophiliacs were, of course at extreme risk.

    If the Bayer product was derived from human blood, it goes without saying. Thank you for the link, this looks very interesting. Dumping old stock in other countries is not an uncommon practice....

    Jayyy and I had a good discussion a while back. He made a salient point that most of those who died of HIV at the start were not the healthiest people from the start.

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    "Cutter had continued to sell the old medicine, the statement said, because some customers doubted the new drug's effectiveness, and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma, used to make the medicine, had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product."

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    What a strange time for me to be reading something of this nature. For the first time ever, in October..I believe, of last year...I agreed to a 5 year pneumonia shot...first in my life. In November...I came down with pneumonia for the first time....I am just now recovering from a second round of pneumonia, after a serious battle of over 3 weeks, with oxygen concentrator with a nebulizer as a backup, treatments, steroids, and complete quiet.....cheesh!! Me thinks me will pass on any more injections! What timing!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTynker2 View Post
    What a strange time for me to be reading something of this nature. For the first time ever, in October..I believe, of last year...I agreed to a 5 year pneumonia shot...first in my life. In November...I came down with pneumonia for the first time....I am just now recovering from a second round of pneumonia, after a serious battle of over 3 weeks, with oxygen concentrator with a nebulizer as a backup, treatments, steroids, and complete quiet.....cheesh!! Me thinks me will pass on any more injections! What timing!!
    Vaccines thru a needle go directly into the body, bypassing your natural immune system.

    The one vaccine that was very effective was taken orally, the polio vaccine.

    What is strange in my area is every year they give out vaccines, people get the flu still. ( ones who took vaccine.)
    Then the medical community blames it on a new strain.
    (Well of course it is, the old strain you vaccinated against mutated.)

    Positive intent sent your way... Hang in there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by knightmare View Post
    Vaccines thru a needle go directly into the body, bypassing your natural immune system.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    What?
    Tainted vaccines David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightmare View Post
    Vaccines thru a needle go directly into the body, bypassing your natural immune system.

    The one vaccine that was very effective was taken orally, the polio vaccine.

    What is strange in my area is every year they give out vaccines, people get the flu still. ( ones who took vaccine.)
    Then the medical community blames it on a new strain.
    (Well of course it is, the old strain you vaccinated against mutated.)

    Positive intent sent your way... Hang in there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightmare View Post
    Vaccines thru a needle go directly into the body, bypassing your natural immune system.

    Quote Originally Posted by David
    What?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz
    Tainted vaccines David.
    That is not what I took issue, Evan. Knightmare was wholly incorrect with the above quote. By injection, the vaccine avoids disintegration via the digestive system (Not a problem with Polio or Typhoid vaccine). It does not bypass the immune system. While I would concur that many of the present day vaccine being force on children are probably not necessary and indeed egregious incidences of tainted sera have occurred, however the proclivity of some to toss the baby out with the bathwater is getting a bit silly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination
    Last edited by David; 03-16-09 at 08:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    That is not what I took issue, Evan. Knightmare was wholly incorrect with the above quote. By injection, the vaccine avoids disintegration via the digestive system (Not a problem with Polio or Typhoid vaccine). It does not bypass the immune system. While I would concur that many of the present day vaccine being force on children are probably not necessary and indeed egregious incidences of tainted sera have occurred, however the proclivity of some to toss the baby out with the bathwater is getting a bit silly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination

    David,

    Your body, your skin, acts as a barrier to pathogens. Your skin is part of your overall immune system.

    A vaccine improves immunity to a particular disease.

    Most modern day vaccines are given via an injection where the natural barrier to pathogens is breached.

    Our bodies resist naturally occurring pathogens quite well. But once the first layer of our immune system is breached, progressive failure takes place in each successive system.

    So by injection, a vaccine tainted with a pathogen is directly bypassing the body's first natural layer of self defense and it's by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    David,

    Your body, your skin, acts as a barrier to pathogens. Your skin is part of your overall immune system.

    A vaccine improves immunity to a particular disease.

    Most modern day vaccines are given via an injection where the natural barrier to pathogens is breached.

    Our bodies resist naturally occurring pathogens quite well. But once the first layer of our immune system is breached, progressive failure takes place in each successive system.

    So by injection, a vaccine tainted with a pathogen is directly bypassing the body's first natural layer of self defense and it's by design.
    Evan,

    I will keep this simple.

    The stratum corneum serves as a barrier, but it is not in itself part of the immune system.

    While the mucous membranes are capable of handling many pathogens on their own, it is the design of immunization to enact the entire system to react to a systemic ailment..... should our body's protective surfaces fail.

    Tainted vaccine is no different than tainted medication or tainted food stuffs, save for the type of furor that it might cause within specific communities.
    Last edited by David; 03-16-09 at 01:54 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Evan,

    I will keep this simple.

    The stratum corneum serves as a barrier, but it is not in itself part of the immune system.

    While the mucous membranes are capable of handling many pathogens on their own, it is the design of immunization to enact the entire system to react to a systemic ailment..... should our body's protective surfaces fail.

    Tainted vaccine is no different than tainted medication or tainted food stuffs, save for the type of furor that it might cause within specific communities.



    David,

    I will also keep it very simple for you as well.

    From wikipedia:

    The immune system protects organisms from infection with layered defenses of increasing specificity. Most simply, physical barriers prevent pathogens such as bacteria and viruses from entering the organism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/immune-system4.htm


    Innate Immunity The innate immunity system is what we are born with and it is nonspecific; all antigens are attacked pretty much equally. It is genetically based and we pass it on to our offspring.
    Surface Barriers or Mucosal Immunity
    The first and, arguably, most important barrier is the skin. The skin cannot be penetrated by most organisms unless it already has an opening, such as a nick, scratch, or cut.
    http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/bugl/immune.htm



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