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    Sava what changed your mind to make you take such a look into this?

    Its a drastic change from your thumbs up reply to the old stimulus bill and related topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF View Post
    Sava what changed your mind to make you take such a look into this?

    Its a drastic change from your thumbs up reply to the old stimulus bill and related topics.
    not sure.. maybe it was the Mt Dew I drank this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    not sure.. maybe it was the Mt Dew I drank this morning.
    Voltage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF View Post
    Voltage?
    naw regular.. never tried the voltage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    naw regular.. never tried the voltage
    This is unforgivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UOD View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I did the math on what it would cost us to provide Americans with free gas.


    We used about 377 million gallons last year, at about $3 a gallon averaged out across all grades. That's approx $1.1 Billion. But if you look at it on a barrel per year basis of oil, we use 11.2 barrels a year vs 12.4 back in 1978. So we are better now than in '78.

    Cost? I thought it was going to be free
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    Cost? I thought it was going to be free

    I was just thinking out loud....instead of giving all of the money away, why not give a very small amount back to the people. $1.1 billion isn't much compared to $787 Billion.

    I think the benefits would be worth it.

    1. People would buy more cars
    2. People could drive further to a new job that pays better.
    3. the same rich idiot CEO's at the Big oil companies still get their blood money
    4. Americans might spend, save, and invest more

    It's a crackpot theory.

    ...formerly the omnipotent UOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by UOD View Post
    I was just thinking out loud....instead of giving all of the money away, why not give a very small amount back to the people. $1.1 billion isn't much compared to $787 Billion.

    I think the benefits would be worth it.

    1. People would buy more cars
    2. People could drive further to a new job that pays better.
    3. the same rich idiot CEO's at the Big oil companies still get their blood money
    4. Americans might spend, save, and invest more

    It's a crackpot theory.

    As you know, the only problem is once you start something with government it can't be stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UOD View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I did the math on what it would cost us to provide Americans with free gas.


    We used about 377 million gallons last year, at about $3 a gallon averaged out across all grades. That's approx $1.1 Billion. But if you look at it on a barrel per year basis of oil, we use 11.2 barrels a year vs 12.4 back in 1978. So we are better now than in '78.
    Sorry UOD, but there is something seriously wrong with your assumption here. There are 300 million Americans; I'm certain we used more than 1.25 gallons per capita. Otherwise, it's a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoNut View Post
    Sorry UOD, but there is something seriously wrong with your assumption here. There are 300 million Americans; I'm certain we used more than 1.25 gallons per capita. Otherwise, it's a great idea.


    It's about $282 Billion a year. I had to redo the numbers. I based it on refined product per barrel (you get about 20 gals of gas per barrel), number of American drivers (57% of population), average miles driven per year and gallons needed (around 600 gallons per year), and cost per gallon of refined product + taxes ($3 across all grades). But still, it was a crackpot theory as I stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UOD View Post
    It's about $282 Billion a year. I had to redo the numbers. I based it on refined product per barrel (you get about 20 gals of gas per barrel), number of American drivers (57% of population), average miles driven per year and gallons needed (around 600 gallons per year), and cost per gallon of refined product + taxes ($3 across all grades). But still, it was a crackpot theory as I stated.
    A simple accounting error, and your plan changes from $1.1B to $282B. You're ready for Capitol Hill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoNut View Post
    A simple accounting error, and your plan changes from $1.1B to $282B. You're ready for Capitol Hill.
    Yeah, I just wish more people would take a few minutes out of their busy schedules to let their representatives know how they feel about issues like this.

    $787 Billion. And now GM wants $21 Billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    As you know, the only problem is once you start something with government it can't be stopped.

    Umm....Like protection? Roads? Or are we going to start about socialism agian?

    We did very well under the New Deal. I'd say that Johnson's Great Society was a tax burden and a half but that said most of the beef about a lot of these programs from the right are they are going to cost too much.

    Funny since the model of supply side economics is a huge failure.

    Go back the New Deal way of thinking about things and it's an easier pill to swallow.


    We flat out can't live without a fairly large federal program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhill View Post
    Umm....Like protection? Roads? Or are we going to start about socialism agian?

    We did very well under the New Deal. I'd say that Johnson's Great Society was a tax burden and a half but that said most of the beef about a lot of these programs from the right are they are going to cost too much.

    Funny since the model of supply side economics is a huge failure.

    Go back the New Deal way of thinking about things and it's an easier pill to swallow.


    We flat out can't live without a fairly large federal program.

    The world and it's paradigms have all changed since the New Deal and since the Reagan years. We do have repeatable cycles but the conditions and environment around us has all changed. I along with many people, do not have a problem with fair and responsible spending so long as it's accountable. We don't demand that our government spend more....we demand that they waste less! Less waste means more money for those projects and social services that we all place value in.

    I simply want accountability and true representation. That's the middle ground for me John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhill View Post
    Umm....Like protection? Roads? Or are we going to start about socialism agian?

    We did very well under the New Deal. I'd say that Johnson's Great Society was a tax burden and a half but that said most of the beef about a lot of these programs from the right are they are going to cost too much.

    Funny since the model of supply side economics is a huge failure.

    Go back the New Deal way of thinking about things and it's an easier pill to swallow.


    We flat out can't live without a fairly large federal program.

    MY post was in response to the "free Gas" nothing more.
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    Here is a link about this.

    http://www.recovery.gov/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    MY post was in response to the "free Gas" nothing more.
    Umm...no it was about big government and entitlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhill View Post
    Umm...no it was about big government and entitlement.
    Looked like it was about UOD's gas posts to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    Looked like it was about UOD's gas posts to me...
    JC generalized, it could be anything we want it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF View Post
    JC generalized, it could be anything we want it to be.
    Looked like it was about the gas posts to me...

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