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  1. #61
    Moe Trin
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
    <MPG.23d4eaa952f9bb369897f5@us.news.astraweb.com>, Leythos wrote:

    >into@oblivion.nothing.com says...


    >> Leythos


    >>> into@oblivion.nothing.com says...


    >>>> Chilly8


    >>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes


    >>>> Idiot.


    >>> Why not snip the rest of his post after your single comment?


    >> That would defeat the purpose.


    >If the purpose is to re-blast the group then it's not helping, we
    >already know he's a idiot.


    Then why are you responding to the trolling idiot? Killfile it,
    and the noise about it's fantasies will go away.

    Old guy

  2. #62
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.23d54ff3397a51849897fe@us.news.astraweb.com:

    > In article <9ktmm4hp6hnk16ra5mcifprvqk8pr7r9s1@4ax.com>, news@news-
    > only.invalid says...
    >> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:51:13 -0500, Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >If the purpose is to re-blast the group then it's not helping, we
    >> >already know he's a idiot.

    >>
    >> I believe he mistakenly thinks that, by quoting someone who has used the
    >> "X-No-Archive: Yes" flag, he is ensuring their post is archived.
    >> What he obviously does not realise is, it is his own post that is being
    >> archived and not the OP who he responded to.


    erhhh....duh.... his post *IS* being archived, as the content of
    mine.

    Your belief is mistaken, btw.


    > Additionally, XNA is not honored by all archive services, making it
    > almost useless in many cases.


    Which is what I'm calling him an idiot for.

    First of all, if he thinks XNA is going to honored, he's mostly
    mistaken. Second, all one has to do is quote him and it becomes
    a moot point again even if XNA is 100% honored.

    Sheesh, you folks are too uptight.

    Brian
    --
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  3. #63
    Leythos
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <oYQal.191163$AL7.5046@newsfe14.ams2>,
    into@oblivion.nothing.com says...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23d54ff3397a51849897fe@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    > > In article <9ktmm4hp6hnk16ra5mcifprvqk8pr7r9s1@4ax.com>, news@news-
    > > only.invalid says...
    > >> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:51:13 -0500, Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >If the purpose is to re-blast the group then it's not helping, we
    > >> >already know he's a idiot.
    > >>
    > >> I believe he mistakenly thinks that, by quoting someone who has used the
    > >> "X-No-Archive: Yes" flag, he is ensuring their post is archived.
    > >> What he obviously does not realise is, it is his own post that is being
    > >> archived and not the OP who he responded to.

    >
    > erhhh....duh.... his post *IS* being archived, as the content of
    > mine.
    >
    > Your belief is mistaken, btw.


    You do know that you replied to two different people in this thread by
    not replying to each reply, right?

    > > Additionally, XNA is not honored by all archive services, making it
    > > almost useless in many cases.

    >
    > Which is what I'm calling him an idiot for.
    >
    > First of all, if he thinks XNA is going to honored, he's mostly
    > mistaken. Second, all one has to do is quote him and it becomes
    > a moot point again even if XNA is 100% honored.
    >
    > Sheesh, you folks are too uptight.


    And quoting his full post is just a waste if that's all you're going to
    include. At least post it at the bottom to make people have to scroll
    down to see your single line reply :)

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  4. #64
    PAJ
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:08:52 GMT, Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com>
    wrote:

    >erhhh....correct.... I am a fool to think what I post can be
    >attributed to another poster just becasue it is prefixed with
    >a '>'.
    >
    >Your belief is completely correct. Sorry about the mistake.


    That is OK. Your comments are archived for posterity. Hope you
    understand now.

  5. #65
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.23d5ac45862c428a989806@us.news.astraweb.com:

    <Snipola>
    > You do know that you replied to two different people in this thread by
    > not replying to each reply, right?


    Yes I do. Is that too confusing?


    <Snipola>
    > And quoting his full post is just a waste if that's all you're going to
    > include. At least post it at the bottom to make people have to scroll
    > down to see your single line reply :)


    :)

    But since it's suddenly become an annoyance I will cease.

    Actually, I thought it was funny. Guess I have an odd
    sense of humor.

    Brian
    --
    http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
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  6. #66
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    On Jan 6, 8:27*pm, Skywise <i...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
    > Chilly8 <chil...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ba80d66c-60a1-44cd-8879-
    > edc5a8b2e...@r41g2000prr.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >
    >
    > > X-No-Archive: Yes

    >
    > Idiot.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > We are carrying the swearing in of the 111th Congress on our new
    > > online TV station, and there are a lot of connections coming from
    > > office networks all over the place. Seems like a lot of people are
    > > tuning in from work to watch the new Congress get sworn in.




    I just discovered one flaw in P2P television broadcast software when I
    was trying to figure out what was slowing down my server and making it
    crash. It turns out that any tech saavy, with a traffic analyser
    program, can get the IP and port for any Sopcast, TVU, or TVAnts
    stream and bypass the P2P network altogether.

    Becuase the direct-connect URLs would not be in any filtering lists,
    once someone got that URL, they could just simply plug that in to
    Windows Media Player, once they got to work, bypassing both the P2P TV
    networks, and bypassing all filtering, since most residential cable
    and DSL addressees (where about 80 percent of the actual traffic to
    these servers are streamed from), will not be in any filtering lists.
    Somoene could be doing that right now, having obtrained the needed IP
    and port using a traffic analyser program at home, before they left,
    and quite literally be doing right under your nose, and you might not
    even be aware of it, since it bypasses both the P2P TV networks, and
    bypasses all filtering. In other words, your filtering vendor is not
    going to have that URL in their filtering lists, so it could be used
    in most workplaces.

    During our coverage when a coupl of Australia's top guns in tennis
    were playing, it turns out I was getting connections, that bypassed
    the central P2P server, from workplaces ALL OVER Australia. Since I am
    not in any filtering lists, it was possible once traffic analysis
    programs, easily found on the Intenet, told them what the address and
    port of my streaming server was, all they had to do was simply wirte
    that down, and then plug that in to Windows Media Player when they got
    to work, and they were good to go for the rest of the day. There were
    connctions from corporate networks all over Australia when Lleyton
    Hewitt was playing the other day.

    It is not JUST my channel. ANYONE on your office network could be
    doing this with ANY channel on either SopCast or TVAnts, having gotten
    the IP and port to connect directly to the streamers computer, from
    home, to bypass both the P2P network, AND filterng as well, and you
    might not even KNOW it. Just plug that address into Windows Media
    Player, and they are good to go, and until it comes to the attention
    of your filtering vendor, it will not be blocked. So someone on your
    network could, when baseball season starts, tune in to the ball game
    on their work PC, and it will be blocked until it comes to the
    attention of your filtering vendor.

    ..

  7. #67
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <1f401f66-e98d-46e3-9a9b-d801e79c6ce0@
    40g2000prx.googlegroups.com>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > It is not JUST my channel. ANYONE on your office network could be
    > doing this with ANY channel on either SopCast or TVAnts, having gotten
    > the IP and port to connect directly to the streamers computer, from
    > home, to bypass both the P2P network, AND filterng as well, and you
    > might not even KNOW it. Just plug that address into Windows Media
    > Player, and they are good to go, and until it comes to the attention
    > of your filtering vendor, it will not be blocked.


    Nope, does not work by default on a properly firewalled network. It only
    worked on networks that to not apply strong security measures.

    It does not take a "Filter" list/vendor to block what you suggest.

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  8. #68
    Derio
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in
    news:qkj4l.73280$XB5.54429@newsfe29.ams2:

    > Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:72100e92-b90d-4567-89f2-
    > 3fd5a9fa35a6@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >> X-No-Archive: Yes

    >
    > idiot
    >


    Something the matter with X-No-Archive: Yes?

    Eh, stupid?

    D.

  9. #69
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Try reading the entire thread before posting, lest you post
    something silly like you did.

    Brian
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  10. #70
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    On Jan 16, 12:05*am, Chilly8 <chil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >



    >
    > It is not JUST my channel. ANYONE on your office network could be
    > doing this with ANY channel on either SopCast or TVAnts, having gotten
    > the IP and port to connect directly to the streamers computer, from
    > home, to bypass both the P2P network, AND filterng as well, and you
    > might not even KNOW it. Just plug that address into Windows Media
    > Player, and they are good to go, and until it comes to the attention
    > of your filtering vendor, it will not be blocked. So someone on your
    > network could, when baseball season starts, tune in to the ball game
    > on their work PC, and it will be blocked until it comes to the
    > attention of your filtering vendor.
    >



    Another reason why some of our streams will never show up in any
    filteirng vendor's lists comes on account of copyright regulations in
    the U.S. The only streams we are currently allowed to legally stream
    into the U.S., are the Live 365 and LoudCity streams. We currently
    block the Shoutcast stream to U.S. users, because we are not currently
    licenced in the U.S., for the Shoutcast stream. This means that when
    most of your filtering vendors crawl the site, they will be blocked
    from the Shoutcast stream, because all the filtering vendors (other
    than SurfControl and WebWasher) have all their networks in the United
    States, thus they fall within the "blocked" IP ranges.

    This is why people in Europe can get our figure skating coverage
    unhindered. European listeners can listen to us on Shoutcast. This is
    becuase all filtering vendors, other than SurfControl(England) or
    WebWasher(network in Germany) are not going to have me in their
    filtering lists, becuase the geographic filteirng is going to block
    all U.S.-based filtering vendors as well.

    So, thanks to U.S. copyright regulations, listeners outside the United
    States can listen the Shoutcast stream unhindered, becuase all
    filtering vendors, other than SurfControl or WebWasher, are not going
    to my Shoutcast stream URL in their filtering lists.

  11. #71
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <77f83b84-fddd-4660-8a96-e9df8f737597
    @a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > On Jan 16, 12:05*am, Chilly8 <chil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > > X-No-Archive: Yes
    > >

    [snip]

    What has your posted content got to do with comp.security.firewalls?


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  12. #72
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    Chew on this,

    We are carrying the presidentual inauguration right now, and there are
    people right now listening from workplaces all over the place, with
    "free" listener capacity at 100 percent.

    I am also seeing a handful of connections coming from an encrypted
    proxy in Israel. Whoever is using THAT from work will NEVER have it
    known they were listening to the inaugural. All the boss will know is
    that somoene made an encrypted connection to a computer in Israel.

    There is NOTHING unethical about listening to the inaguration from
    work, as long as your WORK is getting DONE. As long as you get your
    work DONE, I see NOTHING wrong with watching or listening to the
    inaguration from work.


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