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  1. #21
    Skywise
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in news:MPG.23a59f3af53f8ff5989757
    @us.news.astraweb.com:

    > In article <l2J_k.18503$gx1.7037@newsfe16.ams2>,
    > into@oblivion.nothing.com says...
    >> Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    >> news:MPG.23a3ed1b9b6e08d198974d@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >>
    >> > Brian, how do you suppose the traffic appears to a firewall?
    >> >
    >> > How do you suppose you keep that traffic hidden to the firewall?
    >> >
    >> > What makes you think you can access ANY outside site/connection on a
    >> > properly secured network?
    >> >
    >> > What makes you think you can use a PROXY site on any properly secured
    >> > network?

    >>
    >> The details matter not.
    >>
    >> Traffic is flowing. That's all that matters. Even if it is
    >> encrypted so one cannot see what it is, the very fact that
    >> it is there is enough to know. In fact, being encrypted just
    >> makes it all the more suspicious.
    >>
    >> As I've mentioned before in this group, go look up the concept
    >> of traffic analysis as it applies to cryptography. The very fact
    >> of information moving between two points can be useful enough
    >> from an intelligenc epoint of view even if you do not know
    >> what the message itself is.
    >>
    >> It WILL get someone's attention.

    >
    > Maybe you've misunderstood my post/questions - we're on the same side.


    Sorry for the confusion. I see that now.


    > Any reasonable firewall admin could spot this in a few seconds if it
    > took that long.


    Agreed. In my case, all it would take is taking a look at my little
    personal firewall's connection listing, which I actually do quite
    a bit. I'm still stuck on dial up and sometimes I'm not doing anything
    and I see the rx/tx lights going and I wonder "who's talking?" A
    quick glance at the connections box and I have my answer.

    I would imagine in a larger network environment it wouldn't be THAT
    easy, but if an admin decided to browse some logs to look for this
    type of stuff, he'd know what to look for and recognize it easily.
    They better, or they shouldn't be running the network.

    Brian
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  2. #22
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org:

    > Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    > taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    > traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    > That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    > vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    > cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    > radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    > Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    > listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    > in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    > the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    > site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    > access and categorise our site.


    And how do you know that the filtering sites don't use proxy's
    to browse around and categorize websites? That would negate your
    so-called 'defenses'.

    But even so, as has been pointed out numerous times to you,
    a properly configured network WILL block you anyway. DUH!!

    The only people you are fooling are those idiots who leave their
    car doors unlocked and windows open in the crusty side of town.

    Even my little personal firewall would handle you. It's a no
    brainer. It blocks EVERYTHING unless I specifically and purposely
    give permission to a particular connection.

    Geez, here I am talking about how little I know about this stuff,
    and yet it's apparent I know enough to know more than you.

    Brian
    --
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    > And since doing that, our listenership has gone SKY
    > HIGH. There is a lot of more listening coming from schools
    > now, based on what StatCounter is telling me. Since Live
    > 365 stations have to launch through the web site, I figured
    > out where to put the StatCounter code in the Broadcaster
    > Comments section on the station page, so that whenever
    > someone goes there to launch the broadcast, the code
    > is executed, and StatCounter records that information
    > where I then log in and examine the logs.
    >
    > From this I do see a lot of people listening from public
    > agencies, such as schools, government offices, and the
    > like. I see a lot of listening, particularly when Christmas
    > music is running, at all kinds of private firms, such as
    > doctor's offices of every type. People listen to us in real
    > estate offices, accountingfirms, banks, law offices, consulting
    > firms, graphic design firms, and much much more.
    >
    > The Christmas music we are playing through Christmas
    > has, so far, turned out to be very popular, and our
    > listennership has gone sky high, especially in offices
    > all over the globe.
    >
    > They are tuning in, not only in the United States
    > and Australia, but in Canada, Sweden, Britain,
    > and Germany, and in large numbers. With our
    > Christmas music programme, we have become
    > a hit in offices all over the globe.



  3. #23
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.23a59f9ecc66d2ac989758@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > In article <ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    >> taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    >> traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    >> That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    >> vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    >> cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    >> radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    >> Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    >> listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    >> in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    >> the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    >> site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    >> access and categorise our site.

    >
    > WebSense is only one small path to blocking you.


    Actually, I have all the major filtering vendors' ip ranges
    blocked. And since the categorisation is all done by
    automated software, it will appaer to their "spiders"
    that my site is not there, and it will be reported as
    such when they review the results.




  4. #24
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
    news:zUT_k.36536$Nq1.25274@newsfe10.ams2...
    > "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org:
    >
    >> Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    >> taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    >> traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    >> That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    >> vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    >> cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    >> radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    >> Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    >> listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    >> in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    >> the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    >> site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    >> access and categorise our site.

    >
    > And how do you know that the filtering sites don't use proxy's
    > to browse around and categorize websites? That would negate your
    > so-called 'defenses'.



    Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    know no better.



  5. #25
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ghhif5$8e6$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.23a59f9ecc66d2ac989758@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > > In article <ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    > >> taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    > >> traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    > >> That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    > >> vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    > >> cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    > >> radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    > >> Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    > >> listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    > >> in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    > >> the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    > >> site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    > >> access and categorise our site.

    > >
    > > WebSense is only one small path to blocking you.

    >
    > Actually, I have all the major filtering vendors' ip ranges
    > blocked. And since the categorisation is all done by
    > automated software, it will appaer to their "spiders"
    > that my site is not there, and it will be reported as
    > such when they review the results.


    What part of Category FILTERS are not needed to block complete access to
    your site don't you understand.

    By default your side has no relevant business services to offer almost
    all companies, it's not in the approved list of sites that customers
    could reach by default - that means that without ANY additional work,
    your sites would be blocked by default, without even needing to use a
    "Websense" type filter tool.

    So, again, it's easy to detect people listening to streaming content,
    easy to see where they are going, easy to block it BY DEFAULT.


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  6. #26
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ghhikj$998$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    > to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    > b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    > human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    > know no better.


    Which is why any responsible solution would have your site, as well as
    any non-business site, blocked by default.

    Easy to spot, easy to tell it's streaming, easy to have blocked by
    default.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  7. #27
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.23a624103e431e198975e@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > In article <ghhikj$998$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    >> to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    >> b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    >> human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    >> know no better.

    >
    > Which is why any responsible solution would have your site, as well as
    > any non-business site, blocked by default.
    >
    > Easy to spot, easy to tell it's streaming, easy to have blocked by
    > default.


    I do know that I am seeing listening coming from a lot of
    small and mid-sized companies that cannot afford the cost
    of a decent filtering solution, and those networks are not
    filtered. Since switching over to Christmas music (when
    not doing live programming), I have seen listening from
    smaller and mid-sized companies increase by quite a
    bit.




  8. #28
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghhikj$998$1@aioe.org:

    > Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    > to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    > b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    > human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    > know no better.


    You are either an inept ignoramus or a troll.

    Actually, I think you are both.

    But in case you have a brain cell or two left, I don't have to
    do anything with my software to block your service. It is already
    blocked. Now, if I somehow downloaded and ran your software, my
    firewall would pop up a message asking if the connection is OK.
    Your service will remain blocked until I press the 'yes' button.
    Otherwise, you are blocked. Period. Until I intervene and allow
    the connection, it will be blocked.

    <I think we have discovered a new level of dense, here, folks>

    Brian
    --
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  9. #29
    VanguardLH
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Chilly8 wrote:

    > Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    > taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    > traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify
    > it. That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major
    > software vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort
    > to cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site.
    >
    > Now that actual radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes
    > through Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    > listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not in
    > any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of the
    > filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web site is not
    > there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to access and categorise
    > our site.
    >
    > And since doing that, our listenership has gone SKY HIGH. There is a
    > lot of more listening coming from schools now, based on what
    > StatCounter is telling me. Since Live 365 stations have to launch
    > through the web site, I figured out where to put the StatCounter code
    > in the Broadcaster Comments section on the station page, so that
    > whenever someone goes there to launch the broadcast, the code is
    > executed, and StatCounter records that information where I then log
    > in and examine the logs.


    Web crawling to look for keywords within categories is not the only
    means of how WebSense or other censoring services would classify your
    site, your proxy, or your identity at a webhosting provider. Their
    customers can also manage their own blocklists and also report sites to
    WebSense to get them categorized. Websense also uses human inspection,
    not just spiders. Did you open a free 30-day trial account at WebSense
    to ensure that your site(s), proxies, and providers haven't been
    categorized by checking their lookup database
    (http://www.websense.com/SupportPortal/SiteLookup.aspx)? It appears
    your users must first access Live 365 to get at your proxy which means
    the categorization(s) already occurred at the point of using Live 365
    (as a multimedia data streaming service that many companies would block
    because their employees are supposed to be working, not listening to
    Xmas music and consuming the company's bandwidth and violating their
    terms of employment at that company). If your listeners need to use
    live365.com to get at your site (directly or through proxy), that
    access has already been categorized because of the live365.com site
    that was involved in accessing your hosted service. No censor service
    needs to crawl your "site" to determine its content because it has
    already been divulged by having to access it through live365.com.

    Also remember that blocking need not follow the "allow all, block some"
    model. It can also use the "block all, allow some" model (i.e., only
    whitelisted targets are allowed). Also, *not* being categorized is
    another "category" that can be blocked.

    Since WebSense is a worldwide operation utilizing many data centers
    around the world for collection, database services, and load balancing,
    are you really blocking the entire IP ranges for all those data centers
    (along with all other services from those same data centers)? If so,
    why not just not block the entire IP address range except for your
    subscribers during a login process that allows their IP address during
    a listening session? I suppose having to login in, even with anonymous
    credentials, would be counter to the purpose of your service.

  10. #30
    VanguardLH
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Chilly8 wrote:

    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > "Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
    > news:zUT_k.36536$Nq1.25274@newsfe10.ams2...
    >> "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org:
    >>
    >>> Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    >>> taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    >>> traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    >>> That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    >>> vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    >>> cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    >>> radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    >>> Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    >>> listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    >>> in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    >>> the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    >>> site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    >>> access and categorise our site.

    >>
    >> And how do you know that the filtering sites don't use proxy's
    >> to browse around and categorize websites? That would negate your
    >> so-called 'defenses'.

    >
    > Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    > to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    > b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    > human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    > know no better.


    Please delineate the actions committed by a spider that are also not
    committed by a "user". Both are retrieving the content of your site.

  11. #31
    Bernd Felsche
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
    >"Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghhikj$998$1@aioe.org:


    >> Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    >> to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    >> b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    >> human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    >> know no better.


    >You are either an inept ignoramus or a troll.


    >Actually, I think you are both.


    Or it could be a snake-oil merchant.
    The only thing more ignorant are the customers of the merchant.

    >But in case you have a brain cell or two left, I don't have to
    >do anything with my software to block your service. It is already
    >blocked. Now, if I somehow downloaded and ran your software, my
    >firewall would pop up a message asking if the connection is OK.
    >Your service will remain blocked until I press the 'yes' button.
    >Otherwise, you are blocked. Period. Until I intervene and allow
    >the connection, it will be blocked.


    ><I think we have discovered a new level of dense, here, folks>


    Physicists are examining prior hypotheses that no information can
    escape from a black hole.

    Traffic between firewalls and individual computers can at least be
    monitored. Who's using a computer at a particular point in time can
    be determined fairly easily.

    The traffic summaries per (ostensible) user delivered to
    departmental managers on a regular basis or when it's time to cut
    staff.
    --
    /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
    \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | Science is the belief in
    X against HTML mail | the ignorance of the experts.
    / \ and postings | -- Richard Feynman

  12. #32
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ghhn3a$puv$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I do know that I am seeing listening coming from a lot of
    > small and mid-sized companies that cannot afford the cost
    > of a decent filtering solution, and those networks are not
    > filtered.
    >


    And the real thing is that the companies don't understand the amount of
    LOSS they experience from letting their employees have unrestricted
    access.

    In general, you can recover 30% productivity and regain speed on the net
    with a cheap $1500 firewall solution that would block crap like you.

    That's $1500 per year, and the savings are many times that.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  13. #33
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to.


    Wrong, they know that there is a VPN tunnel from China to Sydney, that's
    easy to spot and easy to block.


    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  14. #34
    VanguardLH
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Chilly8 wrote:

    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.23a624103e431e198975e@us.news.astraweb.com...
    >> In article <ghhikj$998$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Howeer, the filtering software vendors use automated "spiders"
    >>> to crawl sites, which is why firewall trick work. If it were done
    >>> b humans, instead of automated web crawlers, then, yes, a
    >>> human could use a proxy, but the automated web crawlers
    >>> know no better.

    >>
    >> Which is why any responsible solution would have your site, as well as
    >> any non-business site, blocked by default.
    >>
    >> Easy to spot, easy to tell it's streaming, easy to have blocked by
    >> default.

    >
    > I do know that I am seeing listening coming from a lot of
    > small and mid-sized companies that cannot afford the cost
    > of a decent filtering solution, and those networks are not
    > filtered. Since switching over to Christmas music (when
    > not doing live programming), I have seen listening from
    > smaller and mid-sized companies increase by quite a
    > bit.


    So your claim is now that some of your customers can listen to your
    multimedia datastream from companies that don't employ or poorly employ
    any security or censoring of content or source which means all your
    webcrawler filtering and proxying was unnecessary.

  15. #35
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes



    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.23a64c564c5c4b3898975f@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > In article <ghhn3a$puv$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> I do know that I am seeing listening coming from a lot of
    >> small and mid-sized companies that cannot afford the cost
    >> of a decent filtering solution, and those networks are not
    >> filtered.
    >>

    >
    > And the real thing is that the companies don't understand the amount of
    > LOSS they experience from letting their employees have unrestricted
    > access.
    >
    > In general, you can recover 30% productivity and regain speed on the net
    > with a cheap $1500 firewall solution that would block crap like you.
    >
    > That's $1500 per year, and the savings are many times that.



    Some school districts are filtering students, but not employees.
    I can tell by some of the traffic I am getting from the offices
    of some schools. I suspect this is a cost-cutting moves, since
    most filtering solutions are on a "per-seat" licence.

    What I can't figure out is HOW school districts are able
    to eliminate filtering for employees, but keep it for students,
    when they are coming off the same network. There is NO
    filtering or firewall solution in existence that a school could
    use to filter students, while leaving the office staff un-filtered.
    What I cannot figure out is how admins were able to do
    the IMPOSSIBLE task of having some computers filtered,
    and others not.



  16. #36
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ghn9ea$1hu$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > What I can't figure out is HOW school districts are able
    > to eliminate filtering for employees, but keep it for students,
    > when they are coming off the same network.


    that's because you don't understand security, networking, or anything
    else about networking or security - you only let people FOOL YOU into
    paying them money for half-baked ideas that you think prove their
    points.

    It's very simple to let some people access more content than others,
    it's a normal thing in most companies.

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  17. #37
    Skywise
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ghn9ea$1hu$1@aioe.org:

    > Some school districts are filtering students, but not employees.
    > I can tell by some of the traffic I am getting from the offices
    > of some schools. I suspect this is a cost-cutting moves, since
    > most filtering solutions are on a "per-seat" licence.
    >
    > What I can't figure out is HOW school districts are able
    > to eliminate filtering for employees, but keep it for students,
    > when they are coming off the same network. There is NO
    > filtering or firewall solution in existence that a school could
    > use to filter students, while leaving the office staff un-filtered.
    > What I cannot figure out is how admins were able to do
    > the IMPOSSIBLE task of having some computers filtered,
    > and others not.


    This just proves you HAVE NO CLUE how filtering works.

    Confucious say, "A closed mouth gathers no foot."

    Brian
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  18. #38
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    On Dec 8, 3:57*am, Leythos <spam999f...@rrohio.com> wrote:
    > In article <ggvtga$gj...@aioe.org>, chil...@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > > what you are up to.



    The next evolution for us will be online television. We are working on
    ways now to simulcast both using online TV and online radio. I found
    one P2P television service that supports the use of proxies, so as
    long as we keep the outgoing bitrate below about 310K, one encrypted
    subscription Socks proxy service, in Belgium, will work.

    There are still a lot of technical details to be worked out, but once
    we get it going, we will be broadcasting sports, and other stuff, on
    our new online TV station, using TVants (which supports proxies, and
    thus, can be used with one encrypted Socks proxy service).

    If and when we get to broadcast the innauguration on Barack Obama on
    20th January, on our new online TV station, we expect it to be
    corporate admins WORST NIGHTMARE. We plan to broadcast at a bitrate of
    about 300K, just below the bandwidth cap that this one subscription
    socks service has. Corporate admins will be wondering what all the
    encrypted stuff that users are receiving, at 300K apiece.

    And European admins will be stocking in on the aspirin, when we cause
    them a REAL headche during the European Fiugre Skating Championships
    (assuming we get everything fixed in time). Admins will get a
    splitting headche figuring out what is going on.

  19. #39
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In message <ghhif5$8e6$1@aioe.org> "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> was
    claimed to have wrote:

    >Actually, I have all the major filtering vendors' ip ranges
    >blocked. And since the categorisation is all done by
    >automated software, it will appaer to their "spiders"
    >that my site is not there, and it will be reported as
    >such when they review the results.


    So if I take advantage of the fact that you're not categorized anywhere
    and block all uncategorized sites, how exactly does your traffic make it
    through again?

  20. #40
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <3va8k4l4n0578j2sd24v2emfmj6lkfhcf8@4ax.com>,
    spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net says...
    > So if I take advantage of the fact that you're not categorized anywhere
    > and block all uncategorized sites, how exactly does your traffic make it
    > through again?
    >


    LOL, don't give him any ideas - he doesn't know about firewalls and now
    he's going to be running around trying to find that info :)

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