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  1. #1
    Chilly8
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    Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



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    I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.




  2. #2
    pg
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    It might be harder to block VPN, but not entirely impossible.

    What is happening in China is starting to take shape in Malaysia, as
    the Malaysian government is actively setting up a whole line of Great
    Firewall of Malaysia --- in order to keep its own people "Islamic".

    On Nov 30, 9:42 pm, "Chilly8" <chil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    > broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    > the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    > They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    > wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    > Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    > of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.



  3. #3
    Leythos
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening.
    >


    Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.

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  4. #4
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.239d930880b9ccb4989737@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    >> as they what is happening.
    >>

    >
    > Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    > anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.



    But is encrypted and they cannot read what is going on. During
    the Myanmar cyclone a few months ago, there were a few people,
    includinng, reporting from the disaster zone, illegally. 99.9 percent
    of us were never caught, because we used VPN connections to
    keep the ruling from finding out. Only one was caught, becuase
    he was not smart enough to use VPN. The rest of us that used
    VPN were able to report without getting caught. Sure, a VPN
    tunnel, like any connection, is easy to spot, but because the
    connection is encrypted, they cannot find out what you are up
    to.

    There would have been no POSSIBLE way for the ruling military
    Junta to know WHAT I was doing. All they would know is that
    I was making a VPN connection to the U.S.-based servers for
    my Australian online radio station, but would not know what I
    was up to.



  5. #5
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <gh0klf$uhj$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.239d930880b9ccb4989737@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > > In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > >> as they what is happening.
    > >>

    > >
    > > Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    > > anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.

    >
    >
    > But is encrypted and they cannot read what is going on.


    Why are you such a *******?

    It doesn't matter what is happening in the Tunnel, all that matters is
    that it's easy to detect, easy to see the source and destination points,
    easy to catch the offender.

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  6. #6
    Derio
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org:

    >
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    > broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    > the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    > They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    > wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    > Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    > of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.
    >
    >
    >


    Anyone who ends up behind a "national" firewall need only go here:
    http://www.ultrareach.net/index_en.htm

    UltraSurf will blow right through it, with ZERO visibility.

    DErio

  7. #7
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Derio" <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9B6AC442AE26CDerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254...
    > "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>
    >>
    >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    >> as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    >> connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    >> there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    >> what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    >> broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    >> the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    >> They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    >> wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    >> Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    >> of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Anyone who ends up behind a "national" firewall need only go here:
    > http://www.ultrareach.net/index_en.htm
    >
    > UltraSurf will blow right through it, with ZERO visibility.
    >
    > DErio


    Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    online radio station from behind work firewalls. Since I
    figured out how to make StatCounter work with the
    Live 365 account, I get a clearer picture of where
    connections are coming from, and I am seeing
    connections from anonymity services all over the place,
    especially when we switched to Christmas music
    (when not doing live programming).

    I will have to recommend that on the web site. It appears
    you have come up with a product that even "secure"
    firewalls, like Leythos touts, would not detect it, and it
    would allow even more people to be able to listen to
    us from work.



  8. #8
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    > online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >


    And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    properly setup firewall/network.

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    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  9. #9
    Derio
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:

    > In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>

    >
    > And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    > properly setup firewall/network.
    >


    You don't know what you're talking about.

  10. #10
    Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In comp.security.firewalls Derio <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote:
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    *sigh*

    Why don't you get a clue about how networking, firewalls and encryption
    actually work instead of making a fool of yourself here? We already have
    chilly-the-silly. We don't need another dimwit spreading the same
    ********.

    cu
    59cobalt
    --
    "If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
    their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
    --Mark Russinovich

  11. #11
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Derio" <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9B6BC8BBE4456DerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.
    >>

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    You are right. If the connection is encrypted, they won't
    know what you are up to. I run an online radio station
    out of Australia, with my servers in the USA. Becuase I
    have a VPN server on it, I can use that when I go to
    countries like China that censor the Net. I can use Skype,
    when running my online radio talk show, and nobody
    will know I am doing it. China Telecom (the phone
    company in China) had Skype blocked some years
    ago, becuase it was depriving them of revenue for
    long distance calls. By using my VPN, I can get
    around that, and China Telecom will never know
    what I am up to.

    Since I figured out how to get StatCounter to work
    with my Live 365 account, it has been recording
    connections from office networks at small and
    mid-sized businesses. With the exorbitant annual
    licensing costs that filtering vendors charge, the
    small and mid-sized really cannot afford the costs
    to filter, so many of these office networks are not
    filtered, so people at these companies have no
    filtering to have to circumvent. So many people
    at small and medium sized companies can still
    tune into Internet radio, becuase the cost of
    filtering can be prohibitive for small and medium
    sized companies.

    It appears that some school districts are filtering their
    students, but their employees, to cut down on the
    per-seat cost of filtering. I wonder how they can
    filter one group of people, but not the other, all
    coming from the same router/firewall. This would
    seem something like an impossible task. The
    districts must have had to have a custom made
    solution for that, as there is NO filter or firewall
    on the market would allow a school district to
    filter student computers, but not employee
    computers.



  12. #12
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <Xns9B6BC8BBE4456DerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254>,
    DerioD@yahoo.com says...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    > > In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    > >> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    > >>

    > >
    > > And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    > > properly setup firewall/network.
    > >

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    LOL, notice I said it's easy to spot and that it won't work on a
    properly setup firewall/network. I did not say that the admins could
    tell what you are/were doing, only that it's easy to spot.

    If you think I don't know what I'm talking about, why not explain why
    I'm wrong.

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  13. #13
    VanguardLH
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Derio wrote:

    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.
    >>

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    NOTE: soc.culture.china removed from my reply. Not a related group.

    Engage that 2nd brain cell. Does it really matter that you are
    encrypting your data for someone whose resources you are using from
    blocking that data? No. Do they need to know what is the data to block
    it? No. They can get the same software that you can. They can trace
    which SSL proxies are used to encrypt that data traffic. Once they have
    the IP addresses, poof, they get blocked. Never been banned from a
    forum, have you? Such abusers then attempt to use anonymous proxies
    which then get banned, too. Go read up on WebSense, censoring software
    and service used by many corporations to regulate their own employees
    using the company's resources. Anonymous proxies are probably another
    category on which you can block the proxies, of course that being after
    already detecting whether or not you are using a VPN connect and
    deciding whether or not to allow you such a connect.

    Since you're using their resources, they could simply and eventually ban
    VPN connects unless you use their cert (so they can decrypt) with their
    proxy and perhaps only with a permit and any other VPN connects are
    rejected.

    The suggested site doesn't do anything new. It's an old trick, it's
    easily detected. It's easily blocked. Why do you think that the site
    never divulges just how they purport to secure your traffic? Because it
    would become obvious that it's just another SSL anonymizing proxy
    selector. Ooooh. The censor can get the same software to obtain a list
    of the same proxies, and then ban them.

  14. #14
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to.


    Wrong, they know that there is a VPN tunnel from China to Sydney, that's
    easy to spot and easy to block.


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  15. #15
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    On Dec 8, 3:57*am, Leythos <spam999f...@rrohio.com> wrote:
    > In article <ggvtga$gj...@aioe.org>, chil...@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > > what you are up to.



    The next evolution for us will be online television. We are working on
    ways now to simulcast both using online TV and online radio. I found
    one P2P television service that supports the use of proxies, so as
    long as we keep the outgoing bitrate below about 310K, one encrypted
    subscription Socks proxy service, in Belgium, will work.

    There are still a lot of technical details to be worked out, but once
    we get it going, we will be broadcasting sports, and other stuff, on
    our new online TV station, using TVants (which supports proxies, and
    thus, can be used with one encrypted Socks proxy service).

    If and when we get to broadcast the innauguration on Barack Obama on
    20th January, on our new online TV station, we expect it to be
    corporate admins WORST NIGHTMARE. We plan to broadcast at a bitrate of
    about 300K, just below the bandwidth cap that this one subscription
    socks service has. Corporate admins will be wondering what all the
    encrypted stuff that users are receiving, at 300K apiece.

    And European admins will be stocking in on the aspirin, when we cause
    them a REAL headche during the European Fiugre Skating Championships
    (assuming we get everything fixed in time). Admins will get a
    splitting headche figuring out what is going on.

  16. #16
    Skywise
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    More hot air from the blow hole.

    Brian
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    Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:868c331a-b9a2-407e-98fc-
    967627abe7c9@e25g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

    >
    > The next evolution for us will be online television. We are working on
    > ways now to simulcast both using online TV and online radio. I found
    > one P2P television service that supports the use of proxies, so as
    > long as we keep the outgoing bitrate below about 310K, one encrypted
    > subscription Socks proxy service, in Belgium, will work.
    >
    > There are still a lot of technical details to be worked out, but once
    > we get it going, we will be broadcasting sports, and other stuff, on
    > our new online TV station, using TVants (which supports proxies, and
    > thus, can be used with one encrypted Socks proxy service).
    >
    > If and when we get to broadcast the innauguration on Barack Obama on
    > 20th January, on our new online TV station, we expect it to be
    > corporate admins WORST NIGHTMARE. We plan to broadcast at a bitrate of
    > about 300K, just below the bandwidth cap that this one subscription
    > socks service has. Corporate admins will be wondering what all the
    > encrypted stuff that users are receiving, at 300K apiece.
    >
    > And European admins will be stocking in on the aspirin, when we cause
    > them a REAL headche during the European Fiugre Skating Championships
    > (assuming we get everything fixed in time). Admins will get a
    > splitting headche figuring out what is going on.
    >



  17. #17
    Bernd Felsche
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >X-No-Archive: Yes


    Ha Ha!

    >On Dec 8, 3:57=A0am, Leythos <spam999f...@rrohio.com> wrote:
    >> In article <ggvtga$gj...@aioe.org>, chil...@hotmail.com says...


    >> > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    >> > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    >> > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    >> > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    >> > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    >> > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    >> > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    >> > what you are up to.


    >The next evolution for us will be online television. We are working on
    >ways now to simulcast both using online TV and online radio. I found
    >one P2P television service that supports the use of proxies, so as
    >long as we keep the outgoing bitrate below about 310K, one encrypted
    >subscription Socks proxy service, in Belgium, will work.


    And people will pay for the bandwidth?

    >There are still a lot of technical details to be worked out, but once
    >we get it going, we will be broadcasting sports, and other stuff, on
    >our new online TV station, using TVants (which supports proxies, and
    >thus, can be used with one encrypted Socks proxy service).


    >If and when we get to broadcast the innauguration on Barack Obama on
    >20th January, on our new online TV station, we expect it to be
    >corporate admins WORST NIGHTMARE. We plan to broadcast at a bitrate of


    You really are a stupid little spamming jerk.

    >about 300K, just below the bandwidth cap that this one subscription
    >socks service has. Corporate admins will be wondering what all the
    >encrypted stuff that users are receiving, at 300K apiece.


    >And European admins will be stocking in on the aspirin, when we cause
    >them a REAL headche during the European Fiugre Skating Championships
    >(assuming we get everything fixed in time). Admins will get a
    >splitting headche figuring out what is going on.

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