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  1. #1
    Chilly8
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    Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



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    I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.




  2. #2
    pg
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    It might be harder to block VPN, but not entirely impossible.

    What is happening in China is starting to take shape in Malaysia, as
    the Malaysian government is actively setting up a whole line of Great
    Firewall of Malaysia --- in order to keep its own people "Islamic".

    On Nov 30, 9:42 pm, "Chilly8" <chil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    > broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    > the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    > They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    > wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    > Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    > of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.



  3. #3
    Leythos
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening.
    >


    Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.

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  4. #4
    Chilly8
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.239d930880b9ccb4989737@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    >> as they what is happening.
    >>

    >
    > Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    > anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.



    But is encrypted and they cannot read what is going on. During
    the Myanmar cyclone a few months ago, there were a few people,
    includinng, reporting from the disaster zone, illegally. 99.9 percent
    of us were never caught, because we used VPN connections to
    keep the ruling from finding out. Only one was caught, becuase
    he was not smart enough to use VPN. The rest of us that used
    VPN were able to report without getting caught. Sure, a VPN
    tunnel, like any connection, is easy to spot, but because the
    connection is encrypted, they cannot find out what you are up
    to.

    There would have been no POSSIBLE way for the ruling military
    Junta to know WHAT I was doing. All they would know is that
    I was making a VPN connection to the U.S.-based servers for
    my Australian online radio station, but would not know what I
    was up to.



  5. #5
    Leythos
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <gh0klf$uhj$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.239d930880b9ccb4989737@us.news.astraweb.com...
    > > In article <ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > >> as they what is happening.
    > >>

    > >
    > > Except you are WRONG, AGAIN. A VPN Tunnel is easier to spot than
    > > anything else and stands out like a flare on a dark night.

    >
    >
    > But is encrypted and they cannot read what is going on.


    Why are you such a *******?

    It doesn't matter what is happening in the Tunnel, all that matters is
    that it's easy to detect, easy to see the source and destination points,
    easy to catch the offender.

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  6. #6
    Derio
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org:

    >
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    > regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    > his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    > Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    > as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    > connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    > there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    > what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    > broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    > the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    > They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    > wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    > Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    > of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.
    >
    >
    >


    Anyone who ends up behind a "national" firewall need only go here:
    http://www.ultrareach.net/index_en.htm

    UltraSurf will blow right through it, with ZERO visibility.

    DErio

  7. #7
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal



    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Derio" <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9B6AC442AE26CDerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254...
    > "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ggvtga$gj9$1@aioe.org:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>
    >>
    >> I was reading a debate about Australia's proposed censorship
    >> regime, and VPN tunnels. And one guy mentioned there letting
    >> his brother do a VPN into his computer in Sydney to bypass
    >> Chinese censorship and the Chinese authorites have no CLUE
    >> as they what is happening. His brother is making an encrypted
    >> connection into his ADSL connected computer in Sydney, and
    >> there is no POSSIBLE way for the Chinese auhorities to know
    >> what you are up to. He allows his brother to log on to his
    >> broadband connection, via VPN, back home in Sydney, and
    >> the Chinese authorities have no CLUE what is going on.
    >> They guy's brother, travelling right now in China, browses
    >> wherever he wants, and there is no possible way for the
    >> Chinese authorities to find out WHAT he is up to, becuase
    >> of the encrypted connection outbound to Australia.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Anyone who ends up behind a "national" firewall need only go here:
    > http://www.ultrareach.net/index_en.htm
    >
    > UltraSurf will blow right through it, with ZERO visibility.
    >
    > DErio


    Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    online radio station from behind work firewalls. Since I
    figured out how to make StatCounter work with the
    Live 365 account, I get a clearer picture of where
    connections are coming from, and I am seeing
    connections from anonymity services all over the place,
    especially when we switched to Christmas music
    (when not doing live programming).

    I will have to recommend that on the web site. It appears
    you have come up with a product that even "secure"
    firewalls, like Leythos touts, would not detect it, and it
    would allow even more people to be able to listen to
    us from work.



  8. #8
    Leythos
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    > online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >


    And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    properly setup firewall/network.

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  9. #9
    Derio
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:

    > In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>

    >
    > And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    > properly setup firewall/network.
    >


    You don't know what you're talking about.

  10. #10
    Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In comp.security.firewalls Derio <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote:
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    *sigh*

    Why don't you get a clue about how networking, firewalls and encryption
    actually work instead of making a fool of yourself here? We already have
    chilly-the-silly. We don't need another dimwit spreading the same
    ********.

    cu
    59cobalt
    --
    "If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
    their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
    --Mark Russinovich

  11. #11
    Chilly8
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Derio" <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9B6BC8BBE4456DerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.
    >>

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    You are right. If the connection is encrypted, they won't
    know what you are up to. I run an online radio station
    out of Australia, with my servers in the USA. Becuase I
    have a VPN server on it, I can use that when I go to
    countries like China that censor the Net. I can use Skype,
    when running my online radio talk show, and nobody
    will know I am doing it. China Telecom (the phone
    company in China) had Skype blocked some years
    ago, becuase it was depriving them of revenue for
    long distance calls. By using my VPN, I can get
    around that, and China Telecom will never know
    what I am up to.

    Since I figured out how to get StatCounter to work
    with my Live 365 account, it has been recording
    connections from office networks at small and
    mid-sized businesses. With the exorbitant annual
    licensing costs that filtering vendors charge, the
    small and mid-sized really cannot afford the costs
    to filter, so many of these office networks are not
    filtered, so people at these companies have no
    filtering to have to circumvent. So many people
    at small and medium sized companies can still
    tune into Internet radio, becuase the cost of
    filtering can be prohibitive for small and medium
    sized companies.

    It appears that some school districts are filtering their
    students, but their employees, to cut down on the
    per-seat cost of filtering. I wonder how they can
    filter one group of people, but not the other, all
    coming from the same router/firewall. This would
    seem something like an impossible task. The
    districts must have had to have a custom made
    solution for that, as there is NO filter or firewall
    on the market would allow a school district to
    filter student computers, but not employee
    computers.



  12. #12
    Skywise
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usenet-2008@planetcobalt.net> wrote in
    news:ghcpfrUlakL1@news.in-ulm.de:

    > In comp.security.firewalls Derio <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote:
    >>> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>
    >>> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >>> properly setup firewall/network.

    >>
    >> You don't know what you're talking about.

    >
    > *sigh*
    >
    > Why don't you get a clue about how networking, firewalls and encryption
    > actually work instead of making a fool of yourself here?


    No kidding. I know very little about this stuff. I have trouble
    making two PC's talk to each other. But in what spotty knowledge
    I have even *I* know his claims are bull.

    All it takes is a little (un)common sense and critical thinking
    skills.

    Brian
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  13. #13
    Spender
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:07:18 +1000, "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >"Derio" <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:Xns9B6BC8BBE4456DerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254...
    >>
    >> You don't know what you're talking about.

    >
    >You are right. If the connection is encrypted, they won't
    >know what you are up to. I run an online radio station
    >out of Australia, with my servers in the USA. Becuase I


    Why do you continually miss the easiest aspects of this? They will know
    exactly what you are doing and encryption won't help you a bit. The process
    is very simple. It's easy to see that there is a constant stream of
    encrypted data from a particular IP. So the admin walks over to your desk
    to see what's going on (assuming he wants some exercise and doesn't just
    bring up the contents of your desktop and all the programs and services on
    your system remotely.) If the admin has a sense of humor he will cut your
    network cable, forcing you to go to your boss and explain what happened.

    Is that really too difficult for you to understand? It is blindingly
    simple.

    You have a completely false sense of your own cleverness. The mistake you
    are making is thinking that most employers actually care what their
    employees do. Most don't seem to, or are just too ignorant or cheap to do
    anything about it.


  14. #14
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <Xns9B6BC8BBE4456DerioDyahoocom@209.197.15.254>,
    DerioD@yahoo.com says...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    > > In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    > >> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    > >>

    > >
    > > And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    > > properly setup firewall/network.
    > >

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    LOL, notice I said it's easy to spot and that it won't work on a
    properly setup firewall/network. I did not say that the admins could
    tell what you are/were doing, only that it's easy to spot.

    If you think I don't know what I'm talking about, why not explain why
    I'm wrong.

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  15. #15
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <Y4m_k.3929$fw1.72@newsfe25.ams2>, into@oblivion.nothing.com
    says...
    > Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usenet-2008@planetcobalt.net> wrote in
    > news:ghcpfrUlakL1@news.in-ulm.de:
    >
    > > In comp.security.firewalls Derio <DerioD@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >> Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote:
    > >>> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >>>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    > >>>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    > >>>
    > >>> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    > >>> properly setup firewall/network.
    > >>
    > >> You don't know what you're talking about.

    > >
    > > *sigh*
    > >
    > > Why don't you get a clue about how networking, firewalls and encryption
    > > actually work instead of making a fool of yourself here?

    >
    > No kidding. I know very little about this stuff. I have trouble
    > making two PC's talk to each other. But in what spotty knowledge
    > I have even *I* know his claims are bull.
    >
    > All it takes is a little (un)common sense and critical thinking
    > skills.


    Brian, how do you suppose the traffic appears to a firewall?

    How do you suppose you keep that traffic hidden to the firewall?

    What makes you think you can access ANY outside site/connection on a
    properly secured network?

    What makes you think you can use a PROXY site on any properly secured
    network?

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  16. #16
    VanguardLH
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    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Derio wrote:

    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    >> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>

    >>
    >> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >> properly setup firewall/network.
    >>

    >
    > You don't know what you're talking about.


    NOTE: soc.culture.china removed from my reply. Not a related group.

    Engage that 2nd brain cell. Does it really matter that you are
    encrypting your data for someone whose resources you are using from
    blocking that data? No. Do they need to know what is the data to block
    it? No. They can get the same software that you can. They can trace
    which SSL proxies are used to encrypt that data traffic. Once they have
    the IP addresses, poof, they get blocked. Never been banned from a
    forum, have you? Such abusers then attempt to use anonymous proxies
    which then get banned, too. Go read up on WebSense, censoring software
    and service used by many corporations to regulate their own employees
    using the company's resources. Anonymous proxies are probably another
    category on which you can block the proxies, of course that being after
    already detecting whether or not you are using a VPN connect and
    deciding whether or not to allow you such a connect.

    Since you're using their resources, they could simply and eventually ban
    VPN connects unless you use their cert (so they can decrypt) with their
    proxy and perhaps only with a permit and any other VPN connects are
    rejected.

    The suggested site doesn't do anything new. It's an old trick, it's
    easily detected. It's easily blocked. Why do you think that the site
    never divulges just how they purport to secure your traffic? Because it
    would become obvious that it's just another SSL anonymizing proxy
    selector. Ooooh. The censor can get the same software to obtain a list
    of the same proxies, and then ban them.

  17. #17
    Skywise
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.23a3ed1b9b6e08d198974d@us.news.astraweb.com:

    > Brian, how do you suppose the traffic appears to a firewall?
    >
    > How do you suppose you keep that traffic hidden to the firewall?
    >
    > What makes you think you can access ANY outside site/connection on a
    > properly secured network?
    >
    > What makes you think you can use a PROXY site on any properly secured
    > network?


    The details matter not.

    Traffic is flowing. That's all that matters. Even if it is
    encrypted so one cannot see what it is, the very fact that
    it is there is enough to know. In fact, being encrypted just
    makes it all the more suspicious.

    As I've mentioned before in this group, go look up the concept
    of traffic analysis as it applies to cryptography. The very fact
    of information moving between two points can be useful enough
    from an intelligenc epoint of view even if you do not know
    what the message itself is.

    It WILL get someone's attention.

    Brian
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  18. #18
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    news:ghffif$l11$1@news.motzarella.org...
    > Derio wrote:
    >
    >> Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    >> news:MPG.23a333047b1b7f2598974a@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >>
    >>> In article <gha766$s83$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>>> Sound like just what is needed for people to listen to our
    >>>> online radio station from behind work firewalls.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> And, again, it's easy to spot in a firewall and would NOT work on a
    >>> properly setup firewall/network.
    >>>

    >>
    >> You don't know what you're talking about.

    >
    > NOTE: soc.culture.china removed from my reply. Not a related group.
    >
    > Engage that 2nd brain cell. Does it really matter that you are
    > encrypting your data for someone whose resources you are using from
    > blocking that data? No. Do they need to know what is the data to block
    > it? No. They can get the same software that you can. They can trace
    > which SSL proxies are used to encrypt that data traffic. Once they have
    > the IP addresses, poof, they get blocked. Never been banned from a
    > forum, have you? Such abusers then attempt to use anonymous proxies
    > which then get banned, too. Go read up on WebSense, censoring software



    Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    access and categorise our site.

    And since doing that, our listenership has gone SKY
    HIGH. There is a lot of more listening coming from schools
    now, based on what StatCounter is telling me. Since Live
    365 stations have to launch through the web site, I figured
    out where to put the StatCounter code in the Broadcaster
    Comments section on the station page, so that whenever
    someone goes there to launch the broadcast, the code
    is executed, and StatCounter records that information
    where I then log in and examine the logs.

    From this I do see a lot of people listening from public
    agencies, such as schools, government offices, and the
    like. I see a lot of listening, particularly when Christmas
    music is running, at all kinds of private firms, such as
    doctor's offices of every type. People listen to us in real
    estate offices, accountingfirms, banks, law offices, consulting
    firms, graphic design firms, and much much more.

    The Christmas music we are playing through Christmas
    has, so far, turned out to be very popular, and our
    listennership has gone sky high, especially in offices
    all over the globe.

    They are tuning in, not only in the United States
    and Australia, but in Canada, Sweden, Britain,
    and Germany, and in large numbers. With our
    Christmas music programme, we have become
    a hit in offices all over the globe.



  19. #19
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <l2J_k.18503$gx1.7037@newsfe16.ams2>,
    into@oblivion.nothing.com says...
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.23a3ed1b9b6e08d198974d@us.news.astraweb.com:
    >
    > > Brian, how do you suppose the traffic appears to a firewall?
    > >
    > > How do you suppose you keep that traffic hidden to the firewall?
    > >
    > > What makes you think you can access ANY outside site/connection on a
    > > properly secured network?
    > >
    > > What makes you think you can use a PROXY site on any properly secured
    > > network?

    >
    > The details matter not.
    >
    > Traffic is flowing. That's all that matters. Even if it is
    > encrypted so one cannot see what it is, the very fact that
    > it is there is enough to know. In fact, being encrypted just
    > makes it all the more suspicious.
    >
    > As I've mentioned before in this group, go look up the concept
    > of traffic analysis as it applies to cryptography. The very fact
    > of information moving between two points can be useful enough
    > from an intelligenc epoint of view even if you do not know
    > what the message itself is.
    >
    > It WILL get someone's attention.


    Maybe you've misunderstood my post/questions - we're on the same side.
    Any reasonable firewall admin could spot this in a few seconds if it
    took that long.

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    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  20. #20
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Great Firewall/Australia censorship proposal

    In article <ghft79$t52$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Well, as far as WebSense, and major filter software goes, I have that
    > taken care of. My firewall has been configurd to block all incoming
    > traffic. The filtering companies cannot crawl my site, and classify it.
    > That keeps my website out of the filtering lists of the major software
    > vendors, so people on most workplaces don't have to resort to
    > cicrumventing the firewall to access the web site. Now that actual
    > radio stream, that's anothe rmatter, becuase it comes through
    > Live 365, instead of my server. But I do have a proxy that
    > listeners can use, that, just like the rest of the website, it not
    > in any filtering vendors' lists, becuase I have the IP ranges of
    > the filtering companies blocked, making it look like my web
    > site is not there, becuase their web crawlers are unable to
    > access and categorise our site.


    WebSense is only one small path to blocking you.

    Since your site has no valid reason to be connected too, it's blocked by
    default in our networks, period.

    So, it doesn't matter if it's "Known" or if you have a "Proxy", it's
    blocked by DEFAULT, period, end of story.

    --
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    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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