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    New politics & religion sub-forum

    IMHO, I think it's time that we relieve the general forum from bearing the burden brought on by the divisive dialogue of politics and religion and create a new sub-forum for such discussion.

    Almost every ban, warning, infraction, etc., comes on the heels of political discourse. It's becoming such a divisive area that the gen forum has become a hostile battleground and that is NOT what the intent of the gen forum is imo. The gen forum can and should be a place to laugh, joke, relax, share info, etc.

    This new sub forum should be a place where people can have discussions without fear of being admonished by staff. Let we the people police ourselves. There is nothing civil about political discourse. There are facts, lies, distortions, truths, untruths, spin, personal attacks, character assassinations, counter-attacks, etc. Our own elected leaders...leaders of the free world, do not spare each other's feelings or egos.


    The fact is this:

    The truth does not owe you or me or anyone....compassion. So I, along with many others, are sick and tired of sparing your fragile feelings when pointing out truth and facts as it relates to politics and religion.

    I'm sick and tired of seeing partisan lies go unchallenged and invading a space that should otherwise, be a place for good times.


    Now of course this new sub-forum would have some very strict rules:

    • Enter at your own risk. If you go into the forum and are offended, tough crap, you were warned.


    • What starts in the politics and religion sub-forum....stays in that forum. Taking the hate with you to a different forum will result in an automatic warning, followed by a ban if necessary. You get one warning.


    • Zero tolerance for retribution. No negative reputation as a result of discussion. No negative profile comments. No negative PM's. Carry out your diatribe in public or don't do it at all. Failure to comply, warning and then ban hammer.




    Also, imo, I think it would be best to make this a private forum where only premium members can post. There are currently two methods to get a premium membership, write articles for SG and in turn get membership, or pay for it out of your own pocket and get membership. I would suggest writing articles because that way, SG as a whole gets something in return for this privilege. To me, it's a win-win situation.



    That is all I can think of now. What do you all think? Maybe we need to broaden the forum name to the Debate forum....where any kind of debate can rage on without fear of mod/admin repercussions. Maybe Xbox fanboys need to whoop on Wii fanboys....I dunno.

    I will say that I am the kind of person that can argue with you for hours on one subject, and the very next minute, be your buddy while gaming or talking about other benign subjects. I can separate the two.

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    I agree with this idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    I agree with this idea!

    thanks, and yes, a couple of mods have also expressed interest in this idea.

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    I think its long overdue.

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    While I agree that such topics are best discussed in private forums, and that such topics should be discussed outside of general discussion & technical forums, I strongly believe that discussion of such topics in general has little value for writers and readers overall.

    We have our own religious beliefs and rarely, if ever, has someone else's asserted beliefs helped someone else. Same goes for political rants. At best, discussion of these topics only serves to give a person a place to vent their mis-emotions, all too often at the expense of another.

    There are already tons of religion only forums/newsgroups on the WWW and tons of political only forums/newsgroups.

    Realize that there are spurts of religious and political posts. The spurts parrellel current events in the news. It's election time now and thats what's on people's minds. The spurts fade away and come back when some AP journalist releases his mandatory anti-religion or anti-politico news story, and somone here then posts a link to it, afterwhich the mis-emotions fly because some folks just lack manners or they are bent on harming others.
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    "So I, along with many others, are sick and tired of sparing your fragile feelings when pointing out truth and facts as it relates to politics and religion."


    if it was done in a civil way you would not have to worry about arguing. it is those who cannot leave out the name calling/belittling etc.. when they might not have their facts straight/misinformed or (god forbid) a different opinion etc...

    it usually goes like this:

    person 1: i feel/know it is like this, (blah blah blah insert subject)

    person 2: no you dumb @#*$@ (blah blah blah rebuttal to inserted subject).

    no need for it. point out why you think they are wrong and let them research or just be wrong. it is hard to believe some of you get so mad over somebody else's opinions or misinformation. in your mind, you should be only concerned if you have the (your) facts straight.

    on the subject of another "debate" forum, whatever floats the boat of the powers that be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyT View Post
    While I agree that such topics are best discussed in private forums, and that such topics should be discussed outside of general discussion & technical forums, I strongly believe that discussion of such topics in general has little value for writers and readers overall.

    We have our own religious beliefs and rarely, if ever, has someone else's asserted beliefs helped someone else. Same goes for political rants. At best, discussion of these topics only serves to give a person a place to vent their mis-emotions, all too often at the expense of another.

    There are already tons of religion only forums/newsgroups on the WWW and tons of political only forums/newsgroups.

    Realize that there are spurts of religious and political posts. The spurts parrellel current events in the news. It's election time now and thats what's on people's minds. The spurts fade away and come back when some AP journalist releases his mandatory anti-religion or anti-politico news story, and somone here then posts a link to it, afterwhich the mis-emotions fly because some folks just lack manners or they are bent on harming others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF View Post
    I think its long overdue.
    Very, very much.

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    I've always been in support of this here. It will allow the general forum to get back to its roots and remove it from political discussion that may be turning visitors and regular members away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post

    if it was done in a civil way you would not have to worry about arguing. it is those who cannot leave out the name calling/belittling etc.. when they might not have their facts straight/misinformed or (god forbid) a different opinion etc...


    I disagree wholeheartedly because most of the time, these opinions are here in support of a PERSUASIVE AGENDA!!!!

    When the herd moves left, the herd moves left. When the herd moves right, they go right.

    So when you "god forbid" something like this, I and others just can't let it go because usually it is something of importance that will socially AFFECT us ALL!!!!

    I'm trying to prevent the herd from going over a cliff. You see it as belittling while I see it as saving and securing OUR future.


    I do not want to be in the position to say, "I told you so" because "I told you so" means that we LOST. I wish I was wrong, but the $700 billion rescue plan is one of those I told you so moments...and we LOST.


    I don't have time to be nice and if you realized what is at stake, you'd understand why.

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    Although I personally would consider the idea I don't support a forum where people just attack each other. Name calling gets nowhere. Civil disagreements are really the only way a person can convince another to change their views. Name calling rarely is as effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Although I personally would consider the idea I don't support a forum where people just attack each other.
    A forum like that wouldnt need support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Although I personally would consider the idea I don't support a forum where people just attack each other. Name calling gets nowhere. Civil disagreements are really the only way a person can convince another to change their views. Name calling rarely is as effective.
    Agreed, feelings would spill over to the other forums. If you upset someone in the political forum, they will still be angry at you in the general forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent View Post
    I've always been in support of this here. It will allow the general forum to get back to its roots and remove it from political discussion that may be turning visitors and regular members away.
    Uh-huh. I'm sick of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tr87526 View Post
    Agreed, feelings would spill over to the other forums. If you upset someone in the political forum, they will still be angry at you in the general forum
    No they wouldn't..you can't view it like that as acceptable. Those discussions are in those forums and controlled just as they are here. The rules would be the same just splitting the discussions just as there are a software and hardware section which is exactly whats being asked for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tr87526 View Post
    Agreed, feelings would spill over to the other forums. If you upset someone in the political forum, they will still be angry at you in the general forum


    I agree
    Last edited by Dan; 10-23-08 at 06:36 PM.

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    Feelings wouldn't be any different than they are now.

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    I am against it. There is nothing to be gained.

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    *steps onto the soap box

    I enjoy the politcal and religious threads when they stay on-topic and people voice intelligent opinions. I wouldn't mind seeing a sub-forum, but at the end of the day people need to realize that these are hot topics and people can get very passionate about their opinions and ideas.

    I've been on here long enough to have seen a lot of interesting discussions go south because a few members get into flame wars and take a thread way off-topic. When it's all done and said, either the thread gets locked, members get banned, leave permanently, or they hold a grudge that carries over to another day.

    IMHO, it boils down to basic respect. Respect for one another and the views we each carry. If you can't argue a point without flaming a fellow member then you really shouldn't be engaging in such discussions in the first place. When the flaming begins it brings down the thread, disrespects the thread-starter, shows a lack of maturity, gives a bad impression to guests and new members, and makes more work for the mods who volunteer their time in the first place.

    I've had a few lengthy debates and minor disputes with a select few on here, but even in those circumstances I've always tried to remain respectful. When I feel as though i've been overtaken a bit by my passion I've dished out a few apologetic PM's in response.

    There isn't a person on here whom I've disputed in the past that I wouldn't still invite to the bar for a beer on my tab. For the most part, among all of us regulars, we are all friends here whether we think so or not. If it wasn't true, most of us would have gone elsewhere by now. Those that have left us, either on their own willpower or by perma-ban, have either forgotten this fact, or have decided to disregard it entirely.

    Even friends get a little heated and argue from time to time, but in the end it's respect for one another that keeps the core of our members posting together on this forum. The moment we lose complete respect for one another is the moment our discussions will lose value in content and our ability to learn from one another will cease.

    *steps off soap box
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    I would like a health forum.

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