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  1. #21
    Leythos
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    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fuealk$th4$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >
    >
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.227424f01d4413c49896e0@adfree.usenet.com...
    > > In article <fubet2$df3$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> "God Rudy" <rudy@mail.attic.ccc> wrote in message
    > >> news:pan.2008.04.18.21.09.40.384965@mail.attic.ccc...
    > >> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:19:41 -0700, Chilly8 wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "classgetter.com" <troyscene@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:01607c6a-6d2a-4d23-8f88-9b757771c8bc@m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
    > >> >>> Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Keep pumping those PHP and CGI proxies out, buddy ;) Now that
    > >> >> I am using a radio streaming service more compatable with those
    > >> >> proxies, there is a good chance I may get back all the at-work
    > >> >> listeners I lost last August when Live 365 mucked around with
    > >> >> their system.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Someone has set up an encrypted proxy service in Hanoi, Vietnam
    > >> >> I have seen connections from. So whoever was listening through
    > >> >> that site would certainly have their network admins perplexed,
    > >> >> wondering what someone is doing connecting to a strange
    > >> >> machine in Vietnam.
    > >> >
    > >> > We fired a few people for wasting bandwith!
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> Be careful. Unless you have the actual CONTENT of what
    > >> was being downloaded, you had better NOT give ANY
    > >> reference, one way or the other, if future employers call.
    > >> Just say that they worked they worked there during a
    > >> certain time period, but do NOT give any reference, good
    > >> OR bad. Otherwise, they might SUE YOUR *ASS*
    > >> OFF for defamation.

    > >
    > > Wrong again, since the BANDWITH IS A COMPANY RESOURCE they are known to
    > > have been improperly useing company resources, effectively stealing.
    > >
    > > You could say that were fired for network abuse and leave it at that.

    >
    > That sitll might keep you form getting you ass sued off. It is best
    > just to say they worked there between a certain set of dates, and
    > end it there. The best policy is to not say ANYTHING, other
    > than that they worked between certain set of dates, and say
    > NOTHING beyond that.


    And, you seem to be missing the point, they would have still been fired
    or punished for unauthorized traffic, still caught easily, still screwed
    for following your directions.

    --
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    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  2. #22
    Leythos
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    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fuebdm$2aa$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.2274247e2a65882d9896df@adfree.usenet.com...
    > > In article <fuau9i$c35$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > >> news:MPG.2272722ad702fd8a9896db@adfree.usenet.com...
    > >> > In article <fua04k$gl6$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> >> Someone has set up an encrypted proxy service in Hanoi, Vietnam
    > >> >> I have seen connections from. So whoever was listening through
    > >> >> that site would certainly have their network admins perplexed,
    > >> >> wondering what someone is doing connecting to a strange
    > >> >> machine in Vietnam.
    > >> >
    > >> > Again, it's simple to see and catch, you keep thinking this is some
    > >> > kind
    > >> > of magic, finding people using an ENCRYPTED proxy is simple, even you
    > >> > could do it - maybe not you.
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> However, with the data encrypted, there is no way an admin
    > >> is going to find out what is going in.

    > >
    > > But you don't understand the point - they have no school requirement for
    > > External VPN's - so they get busted for an easy to spot infraction.

    >
    >
    > Well, with the EXTREME rules that Bob Jones University has, I
    > canont blame them for looking for every POSSIBLE way to
    > hide their activities.


    Except they are not HIDING their activities, they are forming a
    connection to an unauthorized end-point.

    --
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    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  3. #23
    Leythos
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    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fuec18$50u$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > "Flash Gordon" <spam@flash-gordon.me.uk> wrote in message
    > news:dhupd5xqa2.ln2@news.flash-gordon.me.uk...
    > > Chilly8 wrote, On 19/04/08 01:58:
    > >> X-No-Archive: Yes
    > >>
    > >> "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:fua04k$gl6$1@aioe.org...
    > >>> X-No-Archive: Yes
    > >>>
    > >>> "classgetter.com" <troyscene@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > >>> news:01607c6a-6d2a-4d23-8f88-9b757771c8bc@m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
    > >>>> Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com
    > >>>
    > >>> Keep pumping those PHP and CGI proxies out, buddy ;) Now that
    > >>> I am using a radio streaming service more compatable with those
    > >>> proxies, there is a good chance I may get back all the at-work
    > >>> listeners I lost last August when Live 365 mucked around with
    > >>> their system.
    > >>>
    > >>> Someone has set up an encrypted proxy service in Hanoi, Vietnam
    > >>> I have seen connections from. So whoever was listening through
    > >>> that site would certainly have their network admins perplexed,
    > >>> wondering what someone is doing connecting to a strange
    > >>> machine in Vietnam.
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >> Other people are runnig public Tor entry points now. I found one
    > >> in Canada that is in one of the lists of open proxies. So anyone
    > >> who wants to use Tor where the machine is locked down
    > >> against new software installation can change the browser's
    > >> proxy settings to use this proxy.

    > >
    > > Not if the admin knows what he is doing. Machines should be locked down so
    > > that people cannot change the proxy setting (or any other important and
    > > sometimes unimportant setting).

    >
    > However, Firefox cannot be locked down against proxy setting
    > changes. I know of some people who use Firefox from work,
    > to circumvent the fact that IE was locked down against proxy
    > setting changes.


    Guess what, we use a HTTP Proxy rule in our firewalls, it filters out
    anything we want and it doesn't matter what browser you use since IT
    filters the content and even access.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  4. #24
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In message <fuec18$50u$1@aioe.org> "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >However, Firefox cannot be locked down against proxy setting
    >changes.


    Wow, this is a new level of stupid. Yes, it can, very *very* easily.

  5. #25
    Dave Seven
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    Sebastian G. wrote:

    > Unless he's monitoring the endpoint, you ****ing ignorant.


    There is no such thing as a "****ing ignorant". Ignorant is an
    adjective. You should use 'ignoramous' instead.

  6. #26
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    DevilsPGD wrote:

    > In message <fuec18$50u$1@aioe.org> "Chilly8" <chilly8@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> However, Firefox cannot be locked down against proxy setting
    >> changes.

    >
    > Wow, this is a new level of stupid. Yes, it can, very *very* easily.



    Wow, that is a new level of incompetence. Any settings inside the global
    preferences can be overridden by user.js and prefs.js, not to mention
    chrome.rdf and every XUL script you include there.

    As for the fools, this is why one should implement a transparent proxy at
    the network boundary.

  7. #27
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2274f97a6f5eb2119896e4@adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fuebdm$2aa$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    >> news:MPG.2274247e2a65882d9896df@adfree.usenet.com...
    >> > In article <fuau9i$c35$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    >> >> news:MPG.2272722ad702fd8a9896db@adfree.usenet.com...
    >> >> > In article <fua04k$gl6$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> >> >> Someone has set up an encrypted proxy service in Hanoi, Vietnam
    >> >> >> I have seen connections from. So whoever was listening through
    >> >> >> that site would certainly have their network admins perplexed,
    >> >> >> wondering what someone is doing connecting to a strange
    >> >> >> machine in Vietnam.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Again, it's simple to see and catch, you keep thinking this is some
    >> >> > kind
    >> >> > of magic, finding people using an ENCRYPTED proxy is simple, even
    >> >> > you
    >> >> > could do it - maybe not you.
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> However, with the data encrypted, there is no way an admin
    >> >> is going to find out what is going in.
    >> >
    >> > But you don't understand the point - they have no school requirement
    >> > for
    >> > External VPN's - so they get busted for an easy to spot infraction.

    >>
    >>
    >> Well, with the EXTREME rules that Bob Jones University has, I
    >> canont blame them for looking for every POSSIBLE way to
    >> hide their activities.

    >
    > Except they are not HIDING their activities, they are forming a
    > connection to an unauthorized end-point.



    Well, with some of the draconian rules that they have at BJU, I
    have no problem with allowing BJU students watching online
    TV through my server.

    BJU is an institution that even "sneers" Catholics (many of the
    radical evangelicals don't like Catholics), and I had some
    connections from BJU, this past week, connecting to online
    coverage of the Pope's visit in New York. I do NOT see
    ANYTHING unethical about allowing Bob Jones University
    (BJU) students to watch the Pope's masses, via my proxy,
    to avoid detection by the University, this past week.

    And I am NOT committing any CRIME, under either US
    federal law, or South Carolina state law, by allowing BJU
    students to access off-limits content, such as coverage of
    the Pope's visit, through my proxy.

    We ran our own broadcast of the Pope's mass in
    Washington, on Thursday, and the listener slots
    filled up in a hurry with LOTS of people listening
    from work, particularly from Amreican cities with
    HEAVY Catholic populations, such as Boston,
    NYC, and Miami (where the workday had already
    started). People were able to listen to the Pope's
    mass, via my radio station, and my proxy, and the
    boss will NEVER KNOW someone was tuned in to
    Pope's mass for two hours.on Thursday.



  8. #28
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fuhbdk$5ok$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Well, with some of the draconian rules that they have at BJU, I
    > have no problem with allowing BJU students watching online
    > TV through my server.


    Chilly, they are only "Draconian" if you don't believe in them, and they
    are put in place and agreed to in signature by the students when they
    join the school.

    You alway advocate breaking company policy, rules, ethicas, stealing of
    company resources that impact normal function, and you claim it can't be
    detected or caught - we all know that it's easy to catch a person using
    a proxy, using a VPN, and connecting to sites that are not approved....
    You are going to get hauled into court one day for your part in getting
    a network compromised or a person fired.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  9. #29
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com


    X-No-Archive: Yes

    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.22764718e5ce5bd69896ed@adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fuhbdk$5ok$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Well, with some of the draconian rules that they have at BJU, I
    >> have no problem with allowing BJU students watching online
    >> TV through my server.

    >
    > Chilly, they are only "Draconian" if you don't believe in them, and they
    > are put in place and agreed to in signature by the students when they
    > join the school.



    Well, I think the fact that they "sneer" Catholics is not right, and I
    do NOT think that allowing people at BJU to watch the Papal
    masses from Washington and New York, this past week, was
    unethical. There was NOTHING unethical abuot letting people
    people watch this Pope's masses in Washington, and New
    York this week. I believe that ANY school or corporation
    blocking the Papal masses were INFRINGING upon users
    REIGIOUS FREEDOMS, and I allowed people to use my
    server to watch and/or listen to the Pope's Washington and
    New York masses to RIGHT that wrong. And with their
    encrypted VPN tunnel to my machine, there is no POSSIBLE
    way they are going to find out someone watched the Pope's
    masses despite the policies of the evangelists who run BJU.

    And since NONE of my servers are in America, they are NOT
    SUBJECT to ANY American laws, and what I do is LEGAL
    in the countries where my servers are.



  10. #30
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fui0to$uol$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.22764718e5ce5bd69896ed@adfree.usenet.com...
    > > In article <fuhbdk$5ok$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> Well, with some of the draconian rules that they have at BJU, I
    > >> have no problem with allowing BJU students watching online
    > >> TV through my server.

    > >
    > > Chilly, they are only "Draconian" if you don't believe in them, and they
    > > are put in place and agreed to in signature by the students when they
    > > join the school.

    >
    >
    > Well, I think


    That's the point, it doesn't matter WHAT YOU THINK.

    They MUST abide by the rules of the network owner, end of discussion,
    period, nothing more, that's ALL THAT MATTERS.


    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  11. #31
    Chilly8
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    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2276928f8cdf41c29896ef@adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fui0to$uol$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    >> news:MPG.22764718e5ce5bd69896ed@adfree.usenet.com...
    >> > In article <fuhbdk$5ok$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> >> Well, with some of the draconian rules that they have at BJU, I
    >> >> have no problem with allowing BJU students watching online
    >> >> TV through my server.
    >> >
    >> > Chilly, they are only "Draconian" if you don't believe in them, and
    >> > they
    >> > are put in place and agreed to in signature by the students when they
    >> > join the school.

    >>
    >>
    >> Well, I think

    >
    > That's the point, it doesn't matter WHAT YOU THINK.
    >
    > They MUST abide by the rules of the network owner, end of discussion,
    > period, nothing more, that's ALL THAT MATTERS.



    I am gearing up to broadcast both political conventions from America,
    in August, and I expect all the listener slots to fill up, especially for
    the Democratic convention, because the nomination probably will
    not be decided until then.

    Given the huge listener response I had during one of the presidential
    debates, I expect the listenership to go way up during the political
    conventions. During one Presidential debates, there were connections
    from office networks in Hawaii, as well as in many Asian countries.

    Remember, too, that I have my RDNS trick, which causes the
    current IP assigned to me, for my station, to resolve to something
    under MY domain, instead of either live365.com or loudcity.net,
    which means that if a user plugs in the IP number, they will get
    my station, no matter what the software from major filtering
    vendors (Websense, SurfControl, Bess, Sentian, etc.) is
    set to filter. I have, in effect, as I have said, found a way to
    undermine the filters, which I don't think the filtering vendors
    are going to catch up with any time soon. And since I
    am PAYING GoDaddy for the rights to that domain
    name, and I OWN the server where the DNS server doing
    this is housed, undermining the filters, the way I do it, is
    LEGAL.



  12. #32
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fujgor$9uk$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Remember, too, that I have my RDNS trick, which causes


    causes you to appear like a person that knows what they are doing is
    wrong, makes you look like a dishonest person.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  13. #33
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com


    X-No-Archive: Yes


    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.22778e8ef6dcf8f69896fd@adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fujgor$9uk$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Remember, too, that I have my RDNS trick, which causes

    >
    > causes you to appear like a person that knows what they are doing is
    > wrong, makes you look like a dishonest person.



    It is NOT illegal to change the DNS server settings on the server
    that I *OWN*. I OWN that server, and I am PAYING GoDaddy
    for the rights to that domain name. Since I OWN the server and an
    PAYING for the domain name, that gives me the right to have the
    RDNS settings ANY way I CHOOSE to have them. If I want to
    muck with the RDNS settings on my machine, so that filters will
    fail to block part of my site, that is LEGAL, since I OWN the
    servers where the RNDS is being hosted, and I am PAYING
    GoDaddy for the rights to that domain.



  14. #34
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    In article <fukl48$rnd$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > It is NOT illegal to change the DNS server settings on the server
    > that I *OWN*.


    You are an unethical hack that gives bad information to people that
    could get them fired and could get their business network compromised.

    You are dishonorable, unethical, and trash in the world of security and
    networking.

    --
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  15. #35
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    Chilly8 wrote:

    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.22778e8ef6dcf8f69896fd@adfree.usenet.com...
    >> In article <fujgor$9uk$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Remember, too, that I have my RDNS trick, which causes

    >> causes you to appear like a person that knows what they are doing is
    >> wrong, makes you look like a dishonest person.

    >
    >
    > It is NOT illegal to change the DNS server settings on the server
    > that I *OWN*. I OWN that server, and I am PAYING GoDaddy
    > for the rights to that domain name. Since I OWN the server and an
    > PAYING for the domain name, that gives me the right to have the
    > RDNS settings ANY way I CHOOSE to have them.



    Basically not. You're intentionally introducing inconsistency into the DNS
    system, even claiming authority over totally different domains.

    Actually it's GoDaddy's fault for not simply shutting you off.

  16. #36
    JD
    Guest

    Re: Bypass School And Work Filters www.classgetter.com

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0400, Leythos wrote:

    > In article <fujgor$9uk$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Remember, too, that I have my RDNS trick, which causes

    >
    > causes you to appear like a person that knows what they are doing is
    > wrong, makes you look like a dishonest person.
    >
    >

    I suspect that you are wasting your time with him, Leythos. Isn't this the
    same guy making the same claims about the figure skating a while back? And
    something else even before that one? Apparently no one in the past couple
    of years has been able to get the point through to him.

    JD

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