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  1. #1
    Olicaca
    Guest

    Help me choose software for security please!

    Hi every one.
    I'm trying to find some program help me in the security problems.
    What things i need for?It must be a program that help me control all
    hidden executive and installation.I need it help me to monitor and
    report me if a program is being installed to my system,help me monitor
    all of its activities(creat files,del files,add value to
    registry,modified files) and i can stop any action of its installation
    at anytime i want.And i want it log every thing of that to a log file
    so that i can view after if it's a malware.
    And the second i need is a folder and files security program.I need a
    program can help me control the folder access permission of the
    system.Some folder can be use and modify by these program but cannot
    be use by other program.Example:I download a program from the
    internet,save into the folder A,IDM can access the folder A,write to
    it but other cannot write to the folder A.Folder FX can be access by
    the program X but others program cannot access FX and contrary,the
    program A cannot access any folder else A.
    For the second purpose,i did try the Universal Shield but it not work
    excellently as my mine,now i'm still looking for these.
    Anyone have the experience please help me,just give me the name of
    them.I will thank very much!

  2. #2
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Olicaca wrote:

    > Hi every one.
    > I'm trying to find some program help me in the security problems.
    > What things i need for?It must be a program that help me control all
    > hidden executive and installation.



    Wouldn't the first step be stop abusing MSIE as a webbrowser?

    > I need it help me to monitor and


    > report me if a program is being installed to my system



    Huh? Unless you explicitly do that, this can't happen.

    > help me monitor all of its activities(creat files,del files,add value to


    > registry,modified files)



    You mean something like Procmon? But this poses a huge performance impact on
    the system, but no real security benefit.

    > and i can stop any action of its installation at anytime i want.



    Oh, that's trivial. Just take Process Explorer and suspend the relevant
    process (which actually just suspends all non-suspended threads). But how is
    this related to security?

    > And i want it log every thing of that to a log file
    > so that i can view after if it's a malware.



    Huh? It's not like some malware would present itself like this. After all,
    shouldn't you focus on not running the malware in first place?

    > And the second i need is a folder and files security program.I need a
    > program can help me control the folder access permission of the
    > system.



    You mean what Windows already does?

    > For the second purpose,i did try the Universal Shield



    Looks like scamware.

    > but it not work excellently as my mine,now i'm still looking for these.



    So what was your problem? Do you want a program that helps you managing the
    ACLs in Windows more efficiently? Or what?

    > Anyone have the experience please help me,just give me the name of
    > them.I will thank very much!



  3. #3
    Kayman
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Olicaca wrote:

    > Hi every one.
    > I'm trying to find some program help me in the security problems.


    <snipped for brevity>

    Assuming you're on Win XP Pro SP2...
    The most dependable defenses are:
    1. Do not work as 'Administrator'; For day-to-day work routinely use a
    Limited User Account (LUA).
    2. Secure (Harden) your operating system.
    3. Keep your operating (OS) system (and all software on it)
    updated/patched.
    4. Reconsider the usage of IE and OE.
    5. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
    Remove clutter.
    6. Don't expose services to public networks.
    7. Activate the build-in firewall and configure Windows not to use
    TCP/IP as transport protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving
    TCP/UDP ports 135,137-139 and 445 (the most exploited Windows
    networking weak point) closed.
    7a.If on high-speed internet use a router as well.
    8. Routinely practice safe-hex.
    9. Regularly back-up data/files.
    10.Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and re-installing your
    operating system (OS).
    11.Utilize a real-time anti-virus application and vital system
    monitoring utilities/applications.
    12.Keep abreast of the latest developments - ***** happens...you know.

    The least preferred defenses are:
    Myriads of popular anti-whatever applications and staying ignorant.
    --
    Security is a process not a product.
    (Bruce Schneier)

  4. #4
    Todd H.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> writes:

    > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Olicaca wrote:
    >
    >> Hi every one.
    >> I'm trying to find some program help me in the security problems.

    >
    > <snipped for brevity>
    >
    > Assuming you're on Win XP Pro SP2...
    > The most dependable defenses are:
    > 1. Do not work as 'Administrator'; For day-to-day work routinely use a
    > Limited User Account (LUA).



    I actually broke down and tried this once with a user in the house
    here on one machine that stays up all the time with one user (not me).

    My experience was that it actually decreased security because the pain
    in the ass it made in applying software updates to non-microsoft
    software (Quicktime patch of the week, instant messenger software
    updates, Mozilla products) actually caused the overall posture to be
    less secure because the tedium of having to log out, log in as
    administrator and apply the updates left the machine unpatched longer
    just because the pain it'd become.


    Nice in theory, pain in the butt and backfires in practice for many
    situations, I suspect.


    --
    Todd H.
    http://www.toddh.net/

  5. #5
    Kayman
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:38:47 -0500, Todd H. wrote:

    > Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Olicaca wrote:
    >>
    >>> Hi every one.
    >>> I'm trying to find some program help me in the security problems.

    >>
    >> <snipped for brevity>
    >>
    >> Assuming you're on Win XP Pro SP2...
    >> The most dependable defenses are:
    >> 1. Do not work as 'Administrator'; For day-to-day work routinely use a
    >> Limited User Account (LUA).

    >
    >
    > I actually broke down and tried this once with a user in the house
    > here on one machine that stays up all the time with one user (not me).
    >
    > My experience was that it actually decreased security because the pain
    > in the ass it made in applying software updates to non-microsoft
    > software (Quicktime patch of the week, instant messenger software
    > updates, Mozilla products) actually caused the overall posture to be
    > less secure because the tedium of having to log out, log in as
    > administrator and apply the updates left the machine unpatched longer
    > just because the pain it'd become.
    >
    >
    > Nice in theory, pain in the butt and backfires in practice for many
    > situations, I suspect.


    Well, we all have our different experiences and browsing habits. I work in
    LUA all the time without any problems and work with the admin acc usually
    once a month (mainly for updating software apps and/or other maintenance
    purposes). I admit that working in LUA can be tricky at first for the
    uninitiated but in my experience, the learning curve flattens over time.
    How the right user account can help your computer security.
    http://www.microsoft.com/protect/com...eraccount.mspx
    Aaron Margosis' "Non-Admin" WebLog
    http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/pages/TOC.aspx
    The easiest way to run as non-admin.
    http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...17/158806.aspx
    http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/

  6. #6
    Olicaca
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Apr 10, 1:14*am, "Sebastian G." <se...@seppig.de> wrote:

    Wouldn't the first step be stop abusing MSIE as a webbrowser?
    Huh? Unless you explicitly do that, this can't happen.
    You mean something like Procmon? But this poses a huge performance
    impact on
    the system, but no real security benefit.
    Oh, that's trivial. Just take Process Explorer and suspend the
    relevant
    process (which actually just suspends all non-suspended threads). But
    how is
    this related to security?

    Huh? It's not like some malware would present itself like this. After
    all,
    shouldn't you focus on not running the malware in first place?

    You mean what Windows already does?

    Looks like scamware.

    So what was your problem? Do you want a program that helps you
    managing the
    ACLs in Windows more efficiently? Or what?
    -------------------------------------------
    Sebastian,i don't understand really ur answer purpose here.I just ask
    u some software u know,famous and useful and i don't underline about
    my security problem here,i ask about the software and just the
    software,don't care much about security knowlegde,so that let help
    about software please(!),what program best and useful.Okie?
    Ok,so i tell u more about my soft.
    If you come a site and suddenly,a file down and install on ur
    computer,so how do you
    deal with?And if you install a file that bound with a virus,so beside
    you install the soft,how do you know and treat with that malware?Some
    month ago i get xorer virus from a CD-Rom(it is so unluck to me that
    that time my antivirus not updated) and it inject to all exe
    files....,after then i update and it del all my data.
    Windows ACLs i know alitlle but as i know,if a folder write and delete
    protected then no any program can write data to it,and if a folder can
    be write by a program then virus can write to it.
    Process Monitor i know but so slow down and not a installation monitor
    tool ja,even i use it monitor my installation then i cannot control
    anything aswell.Scamware i dont know.
    Okie,so all your ever advice is not useful for me.Anyway thanks for
    the care!(Ah,and what is "huh?" :D,my English not well ja,seemed u
    often huh? on ur saying?? is that right?:D,just joke,ur style is
    wonderful with me :D)


    Kay,your knowlegde really nice,thank very much.But maybe i was
    wrong,my problem seemed not really security,it just about some
    tools.Anyway thanks!

  7. #7
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Olicaca wrote:


    > Sebastian,i don't understand really ur answer purpose here.I just ask
    > u some software u know,



    Would you please write in proper English, like in any other formal letter?

    > famous and useful and i don't underline about


    > my security problem here,i ask about the software and just the
    > software,don't care much about security knowlegde,so that let help



    Sorry that I dared for actually addressing your problem... Anyway, this is a
    newsgroup, not a support forum. Don't expect your questions to be answered
    or even the discussion leading to a point you'd like.

    > about software please(!),what program best and useful.Okie?



    Your system is compromised, so no software can't help you. D'Oh, that's trivial!

    > If you come a site and suddenly,a file down and install on ur
    > computer,so how do you deal with?



    Turn off the computer, boot from an offline media, create a backup and then
    start verifying against a well-known safe backup, signature base etc.,
    consequently restoring any modification. Then I'd login as admin, create a
    new user account and shift over all data. Then I start verifying them in the
    background while rebuilding all settings and reinstalling all relevant
    programs from trusted media.

    What else?

    > And if you install a file that bound with a virus,


    I simply don't do this. Period.

    > so beside you install the soft,how do you know and treat with that
    > malware?


    I guess I'd recognize the misbehaviour pretty soon, and start investigating it.

    > Some


    > month ago i get xorer virus from a CD-Rom(it is so unluck to me that
    > that time my antivirus not updated)



    Even if it was, that generally wouldn't have stopped it.

    > Windows ACLs i know alitlle but as i know,if a folder write and delete
    > protected



    That is, the effective write access of the user to the folder is denied.
    That's what you mean? Since there's some scenarios where other permissions
    might allow write access as well (f.e. being the owner, being able to change
    the ACLs, delete child permissions on the upper folder).

    > then no any program can write data to it,and if a folder can
    > be write by a program then virus can write to it.



    Yes, trivially. The access is enforced by the kernel, and everything has to
    pass trough it for accessing hardware resources (other than CPU and RAM).

    > Process Monitor i know but so slow down and not a installation monitor
    > tool ja,even i use it monitor my installation then i cannot control
    > anything aswell.



    You cannot control other than by ACLs and capabilities. If you give write
    access somewhere, then the installation is free to write there. if you don't
    want this, set proper permissions.

    > Scamware i dont know.


    You know, it is security software that tries to implement a broken concept
    in a broken way, so actually reduces the security.

    > Okie,so all your ever advice is not useful for me.



    Well, this might be because you didn't ask the proper questions? From what
    you wrote it seems like you didn't even flatten and rebuild the system.

  8. #8
    ana
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Apr 10, 5:09 pm, "Sebastian G." <se...@seppig.de> wrote:
    > Olicaca wrote:
    > > Sebastian,i don't understand really ur answer purpose here.I just ask
    > > u some software u know,

    >
    > Would you please write in proper English, like in any other formal letter?
    >
    > > famous and useful and i don't underline about

    >
    > > my security problem here,i ask about the software and just the
    > > software,don't care much about security knowlegde,so that let help

    >
    > Sorry that I dared for actually addressing your problem... Anyway, this is a
    > newsgroup, not a support forum. Don't expect your questions to be answered
    > or even the discussion leading to a point you'd like.
    >
    > > about software please(!),what program best and useful.Okie?

    >
    > Your system is compromised, so no software can't help you. D'Oh, that's trivial!
    >
    > > If you come a site and suddenly,a file down and install on ur
    > > computer,so how do you deal with?

    >
    > Turn off the computer, boot from an offline media, create a backup and then
    > start verifying against a well-known safe backup, signature base etc.,
    > consequently restoring any modification. Then I'd login as admin, create a
    > new user account and shift over all data. Then I start verifying them in the
    > background while rebuilding all settings and reinstalling all relevant
    > programs from trusted media.
    >
    > What else?
    >
    > > And if you install a file that bound with a virus,

    >
    > I simply don't do this. Period.
    >
    > > so beside you install the soft,how do you know and treat with that
    > > malware?

    >
    > I guess I'd recognize the misbehaviour pretty soon, and start investigating it.
    >
    > > Some

    >
    > > month ago i get xorer virus from a CD-Rom(it is so unluck to me that
    > > that time my antivirus not updated)

    >
    > Even if it was, that generally wouldn't have stopped it.
    >
    > > Windows ACLs i know alitlle but as i know,if a folder write and delete
    > > protected

    >
    > That is, the effective write access of the user to the folder is denied.
    > That's what you mean? Since there's some scenarios where other permissions
    > might allow write access as well (f.e. being the owner, being able to change
    > the ACLs, delete child permissions on the upper folder).
    >
    > > then no any program can write data to it,and if a folder can
    > > be write by a program then virus can write to it.

    >
    > Yes, trivially. The access is enforced by the kernel, and everything has to
    > pass trough it for accessing hardware resources (other than CPU and RAM).
    >
    > > Process Monitor i know but so slow down and not a installation monitor
    > > tool ja,even i use it monitor my installation then i cannot control
    > > anything aswell.

    >
    > You cannot control other than by ACLs and capabilities. If you give write
    > access somewhere, then the installation is free to write there. if you don't
    > want this, set proper permissions.
    >
    > > Scamware i dont know.

    >
    > You know, it is security software that tries to implement a broken concept
    > in a broken way, so actually reduces the security.
    >
    > > Okie,so all your ever advice is not useful for me.

    >
    > Well, this might be because you didn't ask the proper questions? From what
    > you wrote it seems like you didn't even flatten and rebuild the system.


    You can try Secure Auditor, a new software for unified digital risk
    management issues. It contain 30 embedded security tools along with
    event log viewers. May be it works for you. Download it from

    http://www.download.com/Secure-Audit...=uo&tag=button


  9. #9
    Olicaca
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Ok Sebastian,so follow u,where should i put this question to,so that
    everyone will help me?I just have join Google group for a month ja,and
    i just think Google group is opened for all men and women,post the
    question and will there be some one come and help,i don't know that
    Google group have the law aswell.Sorry that.Just needing protect my
    data and i post here...
    A private question Sebastian,which national language sebastian belong
    to? Spainish? (just not yet hear any English name so that before
    ja)Sorry ,if u don't want then don't need answer :).
    --------------------------------------------
    On Apr 10, 7:09*pm, "Sebastian G." <se...@seppig.de> wrote:
    > Olicaca wrote:
    > > Sebastian,i don't understand really ur answer purpose here.I just ask
    > > u some software u know,

    >
    > Would you please write in proper English, like in any other formal letter?
    >
    > *> famous and useful and i don't underline about
    >
    > > my security problem here,i ask about the software and just the
    > > software,don't care much about security knowlegde,so that let help

    >
    > Sorry that I dared for actually addressing your problem... Anyway, this isa
    > newsgroup, not a support forum. Don't expect your questions to be answered
    > or even the discussion leading to a point you'd like.
    >
    > > about software please(!),what program best and useful.Okie?

    >
    > Your system is compromised, so no software can't help you. D'Oh, that's trivial!
    >
    > > If you come a site and suddenly,a file down and install on ur
    > > computer,so how do you deal with?

    >
    > Turn off the computer, boot from an offline media, create a backup and then
    > start verifying against a well-known safe backup, signature base etc.,
    > consequently restoring any modification. Then I'd login as admin, create a
    > new user account and shift over all data. Then I start verifying them in the
    > background while rebuilding all settings and reinstalling all relevant
    > programs from trusted media.
    >
    > What else?
    >
    > *> And if you install a file that bound with a virus,
    >
    > I simply don't do this. Period.
    >
    > *> so beside you install the soft,how do you know and treat with that
    > *> malware?
    >
    > I guess I'd recognize the misbehaviour pretty soon, and start investigating it.
    >
    > *> Some
    >
    > > month ago i get xorer virus from a CD-Rom(it is so unluck to me that
    > > that time my antivirus not updated)

    >
    > Even if it was, that generally wouldn't have stopped it.
    >
    > > Windows ACLs i know alitlle but as i know,if a folder write and delete
    > > protected

    >
    > That is, the effective write access of the user to the folder is denied.
    > That's what you mean? Since there's some scenarios where other permissions
    > might allow write access as well (f.e. being the owner, being able to change
    > the ACLs, delete child permissions on the upper folder).
    >
    > > then no any program can write data to it,and if a folder can
    > > be write by a program then virus can write to it.

    >
    > Yes, trivially. The access is enforced by the kernel, and everything has to
    > pass trough it for accessing hardware resources (other than CPU and RAM).
    >
    > > Process Monitor i know but so slow down and not a installation monitor
    > > tool ja,even i use it monitor my installation then i cannot control
    > > anything aswell.

    >
    > You cannot control other than by ACLs and capabilities. If you give write
    > access somewhere, then the installation is free to write there. if you don't
    > want this, set proper permissions.
    >
    > *> Scamware i dont know.
    >
    > You know, it is security software that tries to implement a broken concept
    > in a broken way, so actually reduces the security.
    >
    > > Okie,so all your ever advice is not useful for me.

    >
    > Well, this might be because you didn't ask the proper questions? From what
    > you wrote it seems like you didn't even flatten and rebuild the system.



  10. #10
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Olicaca wrote:

    > Ok Sebastian,so follow u,where should i put this question to,so that
    > everyone will help me?



    Maybe a webforum?

    But I still wonder where your problem is. Flatten and rebuild the system,
    then the system is recovered from the compromise. (Heck, in fact, if this
    hasn't already been clear to you, then maybe you shouldn't dare
    administrating a computer all by yourself.)

    > I just have join Google group for a month ja,and
    > i just think Google group is opened for all men and women,post the
    > question and will there be some one come and help,



    Wrong. Google Groups is merely a web interface for Usenet, and Usenet is a
    media for *discussing news*. Discussions are different from simple support
    stuff.

    > i don't know that Google group have the law aswell.


    Usenet follows both some agreed technical laws as well as many social laws.
    One of these is that discussions won't generally lead your way, and not
    answer your questions at all.

    > Just needing protect my data and i post here...


    Coming to think of it, don't you think that comp.security.*firewalls* might
    be the wrong group?

  11. #11
    Olicaca
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Apr 10, 7:49*pm, ana <Anatod...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Apr 10, 5:09 pm, "Sebastian G." <se...@seppig.de> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Olicaca wrote:
    > > > Sebastian,i don't understand really ur answer purpose here.I just ask
    > > > u some software u know,

    >
    > > Would you please write in proper English, like in any other formal letter?

    >
    > > *> famous and useful and i don't underline about

    >
    > > > my security problem here,i ask about the software and just the
    > > > software,don't care much about security knowlegde,so that let help

    >
    > > Sorry that I dared for actually addressing your problem... Anyway, this is a
    > > newsgroup, not a support forum. Don't expect your questions to be answered
    > > or even the discussion leading to a point you'd like.

    >
    > > > about software please(!),what program best and useful.Okie?

    >
    > > Your system is compromised, so no software can't help you. D'Oh, that's trivial!

    >
    > > > If you come a site and suddenly,a file down and install on ur
    > > > computer,so how do you deal with?

    >
    > > Turn off the computer, boot from an offline media, create a backup and then
    > > start verifying against a well-known safe backup, signature base etc.,
    > > consequently restoring any modification. Then I'd login as admin, createa
    > > new user account and shift over all data. Then I start verifying them inthe
    > > background while rebuilding all settings and reinstalling all relevant
    > > programs from trusted media.

    >
    > > What else?

    >
    > > *> And if you install a file that bound with a virus,

    >
    > > I simply don't do this. Period.

    >
    > > *> so beside you install the soft,how do you know and treat with that
    > > *> malware?

    >
    > > I guess I'd recognize the misbehaviour pretty soon, and start investigating it.

    >
    > > *> Some

    >
    > > > month ago i get xorer virus from a CD-Rom(it is so unluck to me that
    > > > that time my antivirus not updated)

    >
    > > Even if it was, that generally wouldn't have stopped it.

    >
    > > > Windows ACLs i know alitlle but as i know,if a folder write and delete
    > > > protected

    >
    > > That is, the effective write access of the user to the folder is denied.
    > > That's what you mean? Since there's some scenarios where other permissions
    > > might allow write access as well (f.e. being the owner, being able to change
    > > the ACLs, delete child permissions on the upper folder).

    >
    > > > then no any program can write data to it,and if a folder can
    > > > be write by a program then virus can write to it.

    >
    > > Yes, trivially. The access is enforced by the kernel, and everything hasto
    > > pass trough it for accessing hardware resources (other than CPU and RAM)..

    >
    > > > Process Monitor i know but so slow down and not a installation monitor
    > > > tool ja,even i use it monitor my installation then i cannot control
    > > > anything aswell.

    >
    > > You cannot control other than by ACLs and capabilities. If you give write
    > > access somewhere, then the installation is free to write there. if you don't
    > > want this, set proper permissions.

    >
    > > *> Scamware i dont know.

    >
    > > You know, it is security software that tries to implement a broken concept
    > > in a broken way, so actually reduces the security.

    >
    > > > Okie,so all your ever advice is not useful for me.

    >
    > > Well, this might be because you didn't ask the proper questions? From what
    > > you wrote it seems like you didn't even flatten and rebuild the system.

    >
    > You can try Secure Auditor, a new software for unified digital risk
    > management issues. It contain 30 embedded security tools along with
    > event log viewers. May be it works for you. Download it from
    >
    > http://www.download.com/Secure-Audit...tml?part=d...- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Anna,what is that,i see you post that to many group,could utell me
    more?Is there the serial or it is freeware?

  12. #12
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Olicaca wrote:


    >> You can try Secure Auditor, a new software for unified digital risk
    >> management issues. It contain 30 embedded security tools along with
    >> event log viewers. May be it works for you. Download it from
    >>
    >> http://www.download.com/Secure-Audit...tml?part=d...- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > Anna,what is that,i see you post that to many group,could utell me
    > more?Is there the serial or it is freeware?



    It's spam.

  13. #13
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    In message <84hcea7294@news.giganews.com> comphelp@toddh.net (Todd H.)
    wrote:

    >I actually broke down and tried this once with a user in the house
    >here on one machine that stays up all the time with one user (not me).
    >
    >My experience was that it actually decreased security because the pain
    >in the ass it made in applying software updates to non-microsoft
    >software (Quicktime patch of the week, instant messenger software
    >updates, Mozilla products) actually caused the overall posture to be
    >less secure because the tedium of having to log out, log in as
    >administrator and apply the updates left the machine unpatched longer
    >just because the pain it'd become.
    >
    >
    >Nice in theory, pain in the butt and backfires in practice for many
    >situations, I suspect.


    One of the "perks" of Vista's UAC is that it solves this problem,
    running as a limited user by default, but simplifying the process to
    switch to administrative rights.

  14. #14
    bz
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
    news:ptntv3l5emat11ad3s617a2fds9m8vflnn@4ax.com:

    > In message <84hcea7294@news.giganews.com> comphelp@toddh.net (Todd H.)
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I actually broke down and tried this once with a user in the house
    >>here on one machine that stays up all the time with one user (not me).
    >>
    >>My experience was that it actually decreased security because the pain
    >>in the ass it made in applying software updates to non-microsoft
    >>software (Quicktime patch of the week, instant messenger software
    >>updates, Mozilla products) actually caused the overall posture to be
    >>less secure because the tedium of having to log out, log in as
    >>administrator and apply the updates left the machine unpatched longer
    >>just because the pain it'd become.
    >>
    >>
    >>Nice in theory, pain in the butt and backfires in practice for many
    >>situations, I suspect.

    >
    > One of the "perks" of Vista's UAC is that it solves this problem,
    > running as a limited user by default, but simplifying the process to
    > switch to administrative rights.


    and training the users to click on warning messages whenever they pop up.





    --
    bz

    please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
    infinite set.

    bz+csm@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

  15. #15
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    In message <Xns9A7D58E05CDDEWQAHBGMXSZHVspammote@130.39.198.139> bz
    <bz+csm@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:

    >and training the users to click on warning messages whenever they pop up.


    Which only puts you back to where you were before UAC. However, for
    those that pay even a minimal amount of attention and notice that they
    did not initiate an action that required elevation, they may notice.

    Honestly, if you're even seeing UAC popups daily once your systems are
    up and running, I'd go as far as to say you're probably not an average
    end user, or you're doing something wrong to begin with.

    (Anyone who has even heard of usenet is probably not an end user. From
    watching some audio reports, my kids haven't seen a UAC prompt in some
    weeks, although I have been updating iTunes+Quicktime for them)

  16. #16
    Arjun
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Apr 11, 7:22*pm, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > In message <Xns9A7D58E05CDDEWQAHBGMXSZHVspamm...@130.39.198.139> bz
    >
    > <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
    > >and training the users to click on warning messages whenever they pop up.

    >
    > Which only puts you back to where you were before UAC. *However, for
    > those that pay even a minimal amount of attention and notice that they
    > did not initiate an action that required elevation, they may notice.
    >
    > Honestly, if you're even seeing UAC popups daily once your systems are
    > up and running, I'd go as far as to say you're probably not an average
    > end user, or you're doing something wrong to begin with.
    >
    > (Anyone who has even heard of usenet is probably not an end user. *From
    > watching some audio reports, my kids haven't seen a UAC prompt in some
    > weeks, although I have been updating iTunes+Quicktime for them)


    try kaspersky antivirus....should help u out in most of ur
    requirements...

  17. #17
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Arjun wrote:


    > try kaspersky antivirus....should help u out in most of ur
    > requirements...



    Hm... didn't we discuss security? I fail to see how introducing an
    additional security nightmare should help...

  18. #18
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    Arjun wrote:

    > > try kaspersky antivirus....should help u out in most of ur
    > > requirements...


    Hm... didn't we discuss security? I fail to see how introducing an
    additional security nightmare should help...

    But well, quite typical for someone who even abuses MSIE as a webbrowser.
    But even those guys are normally honest to themselves and don't dare
    teaching others about security since they know that they're lacking competence.

  19. #19
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    In message
    <a3291797-3fb1-4d9c-bb28-a2de3e4162d4@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
    Arjun <arjunhegde@gmail.com> wrote:

    >On Apr 11, 7:22*pm, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    >> In message <Xns9A7D58E05CDDEWQAHBGMXSZHVspamm...@130.39.198.139> bz
    >>
    >> <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
    >> >and training the users to click on warning messages whenever they pop up.

    >>
    >> Which only puts you back to where you were before UAC. *However, for
    >> those that pay even a minimal amount of attention and notice that they
    >> did not initiate an action that required elevation, they may notice.
    >>
    >> Honestly, if you're even seeing UAC popups daily once your systems are
    >> up and running, I'd go as far as to say you're probably not an average
    >> end user, or you're doing something wrong to begin with.
    >>
    >> (Anyone who has even heard of usenet is probably not an end user. *From
    >> watching some audio reports, my kids haven't seen a UAC prompt in some
    >> weeks, although I have been updating iTunes+Quicktime for them)

    >
    >try kaspersky antivirus....should help u out in most of ur
    >requirements...


    How exactly will Kaspersky help me? Are you even reading this thread?

  20. #20
    Arjun
    Guest

    Re: Help me choose software for security please!

    On Apr 13, 2:34*am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > In message
    > <a3291797-3fb1-4d9c-bb28-a2de3e416...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Arjun <arjunhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >On Apr 11, 7:22*pm, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > >> In message <Xns9A7D58E05CDDEWQAHBGMXSZHVspamm...@130.39.198.139> bz

    >
    > >> <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
    > >> >and training the users to click on warning messages whenever they pop up.

    >
    > >> Which only puts you back to where you were before UAC. *However, for
    > >> those that pay even a minimal amount of attention and notice that they
    > >> did not initiate an action that required elevation, they may notice.

    >
    > >> Honestly, if you're even seeing UAC popups daily once your systems are
    > >> up and running, I'd go as far as to say you're probably not an average
    > >> end user, or you're doing something wrong to begin with.

    >
    > >> (Anyone who has even heard of usenet is probably not an end user. *From
    > >> watching some audio reports, my kids haven't seen a UAC prompt in some
    > >> weeks, although I have been updating iTunes+Quicktime for them)

    >
    > >try kaspersky antivirus....should help u out in most of ur
    > >requirements...

    >
    > How exactly will Kaspersky help me? *Are you even reading this thread?- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    kaspersky will prompt you every time a program is trying to access
    registry and system files ......most of the time u can say no so that
    non of the software is able to modify registry / use system file
    area....this in turn will help you to be catious about any product
    installation...(i suppose if u r knowing this much u also will be
    knowing which program to allow n which not)....thses are some parts
    which i meant to say that kaspersky could help.....

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