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  1. #1
    Terry Arif
    Guest

    Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth


    Hello all,

    I really need some help. I live in house with two other guys in the UK.
    We have a linksys wireless router and share a broadband connection.

    Basically the guy downstairs is constantly downloading through torrent
    engines and go knows what, he basically takes all the bandwith, and I
    can just about surf the web most of the time. He actually pretended the
    router was broken the other week so he could use a cable connection,
    when we tested the router it worked, but it is still hard to get any of
    the bandwidth at the moment.

    I know what I need to do, set the router up so it shares the bandwidth
    equally between the three computers, I just do not know how.

    The router I have is a linksys BEFW11S4.

    I have researched a little bit and found that I need to set up QoS
    (Quality of Service), however I think my router is quite old as it does
    not seem to have this feature.

    I really am at my wits end because I rely on the internet to speak to
    my family back home, as I have emigrated. I also enjoy playing games
    online, but this is impossible. If I ever manage to get a good
    connection he will unplug the router and plug it back in so he gets all
    the bandwidth. When asked he just says the router does not work
    properly, but when his computer is turned off (rarely) it works ok.

    I look forward to hearing some advice. Thank you.


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  2. #2
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    dOn Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:15:38 -0500, Terry Arif
    <Terry.Arif.34zog5@no-mx.wirelessforums.org> wrote in
    <Terry.Arif.34zog5@no-mx.wirelessforums.org>:

    >I really need some help. I live in house with two other guys in the UK.
    >We have a linksys wireless router and share a broadband connection.
    >
    >Basically the guy downstairs is constantly downloading through torrent
    >engines and go knows what, he basically takes all the bandwith, and I
    >can just about surf the web most of the time. He actually pretended the
    >router was broken the other week so he could use a cable connection,
    >when we tested the router it worked, but it is still hard to get any of
    >the bandwidth at the moment.
    >
    >I know what I need to do, set the router up so it shares the bandwidth
    >equally between the three computers, I just do not know how.
    >
    >The router I have is a linksys BEFW11S4.
    >
    >I have researched a little bit and found that I need to set up QoS
    >(Quality of Service), however I think my router is quite old as it does
    >not seem to have this feature.
    >
    >I really am at my wits end because I rely on the internet to speak to
    >my family back home, as I have emigrated. I also enjoy playing games
    >online, but this is impossible. If I ever manage to get a good
    >connection he will unplug the router and plug it back in so he gets all
    >the bandwidth. When asked he just says the router does not work
    >properly, but when his computer is turned off (rarely) it works ok.
    >
    >I look forward to hearing some advice. Thank you.


    Your BEFW11S4 is too old to solve your problem. Get one of the
    supported devices and use DD-WRT firmware
    <http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices>

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  3. #3
    miso@sushi.com
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    On Feb 18, 10:15 am, Terry Arif <Terry.Arif.34z...@no-
    mx.wirelessforums.org> wrote:
    > Hello all,
    >
    > I really need some help. I live in house with two other guys in the UK.
    > We have a linksys wireless router and share a broadband connection.
    >
    > Basically the guy downstairs is constantly downloading through torrent
    > engines and go knows what, he basically takes all the bandwith, and I
    > can just about surf the web most of the time. He actually pretended the
    > router was broken the other week so he could use a cable connection,
    > when we tested the router it worked, but it is still hard to get any of
    > the bandwidth at the moment.
    >
    > I know what I need to do, set the router up so it shares the bandwidth
    > equally between the three computers, I just do not know how.
    >
    > The router I have is a linksys BEFW11S4.
    >
    > I have researched a little bit and found that I need to set up QoS
    > (Quality of Service), however I think my router is quite old as it does
    > not seem to have this feature.
    >
    > I really am at my wits end because I rely on the internet to speak to
    > my family back home, as I have emigrated. I also enjoy playing games
    > online, but this is impossible. If I ever manage to get a good
    > connection he will unplug the router and plug it back in so he gets all
    > the bandwidth. When asked he just says the router does not work
    > properly, but when his computer is turned off (rarely) it works ok.
    >
    > I look forward to hearing some advice. Thank you.
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > View this thread:http://www.wirelessforums.org/showth...lessforums.org


    You can also try cooperation with your roommates. It is possible to
    reduce the bandwidth of those torrent programs. Unless you have the
    only password to the new router, you will have the same issue. That
    is, other people will just change the QOS.


  4. #4
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> hath wroth:

    >Your BEFW11S4 is too old to solve your problem. Get one of the
    >supported devices and use DD-WRT firmware
    ><http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices>


    Agreed. DD-WRT v24 RC6.2 works. I'm suprised that your BEFW11S4
    doesn't crash and hang from all the P2P traffic.

    Also see:
    Optimization for Bittorrent to prevent crashes.
    <http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Bittorrent>

    Quality of Service:
    <http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Qos>
    <http://solosoft.org:81/projects/qos/>
    under prioritization by application or MAC address.

    You can also just block P2P protocols. Under "Access Restrictions"
    there are a list of common P2P protocols. See:
    <http://www.informatione.gmxhome.de/DDWRT/Standard/V24BetaVPN/Filters.html>
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    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  5. #5
    msg
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    <snip>

    > I'm suprised that your BEFW11S4
    > doesn't crash and hang from all the P2P traffic.


    <snip>

    Indeed, I wonder which rev. it is. In a previous post I
    mentioned my troubles with that device which I have repackaged
    for outdoor use. When it was subjected to many days of
    below zero F temperatures, the frequent crashes vanished.
    I can't say how long that will last, but it suggests some
    mechanical problem with the board rather than the design.

    Michael

  6. #6
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:13:43 -0600, msg <msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote:

    >Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    >
    ><snip>
    >
    >> I'm suprised that your BEFW11S4
    >> doesn't crash and hang from all the P2P traffic.

    >
    ><snip>
    >
    >Indeed, I wonder which rev. it is.


    Most v4 mutations seem to suck. v2 seems to work. No clue on the
    others.

    >In a previous post I
    >mentioned my troubles with that device which I have repackaged
    >for outdoor use. When it was subjected to many days of
    >below zero F temperatures, the frequent crashes vanished.


    The specs on the BEFW11S4 are 0C to 40C.

    >I can't say how long that will last, but it suggests some
    >mechanical problem with the board rather than the design.


    Nope. I now have 4 of the v4 losers and they all hang or crash.
    However, I setup one of them with some new 1.52.06 firmware for v4
    that was "leaked" out of Linksys. (1.52.02 is the latest on the
    Linksys web pile). See:
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/BEFW11S4v4/>
    The web based update mechanism does not work due to bad checksums on
    some lines. However, the TFTP upload method works just fine.

    I haven't done much testing with this version. I also updated a
    customers. No complaints yet, but that might be because they owe me
    money.

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  7. #7
    DTC
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    Terry Arif wrote:
    > Hello all,
    >
    > I really need some help. I live in house with two other guys in the UK.
    > We have a linksys wireless router and share a broadband connection.
    >
    > Basically the guy downstairs is constantly downloading through torrent
    > engines and go knows what, he basically takes all the bandwith, and I
    > can just about surf the web most of the time. He actually pretended the
    > router was broken the other week so he could use a cable connection,
    > when we tested the router it worked, but it is still hard to get any of
    > the bandwidth at the moment.


    Get a Netequalizer appliance and problem solved. They start at $1,800
    and they work very effectively. That's what we run.

  8. #8
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> hath wroth:

    >Get a Netequalizer appliance and problem solved. They start at $1,800
    >and they work very effectively. That's what we run.


    Hmmm.... $1800 is about 5 years worth of $30/month DSL service. He
    could buy the P2P addicts their own DSL service for 5 years, for the
    price of the hardware. After 5 years, both the roommates and the
    hardware will probably have depreciated to zero value.

    --
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    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  9. #9
    Bill Kearney
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    If he's plugging and unplugging the gear what makes you think he'll go along
    with throttling the connection?

    Who owns the equipment? Who's the subscriber to the internet service?
    Unless that's you then you've got a problem that's unlikely to be going away
    any time soon.

    If it's your equipment and you're the person named on the account for
    internet service then you might have options. You could start by setting up
    a router that has features for reporting usage. Start tracking which ports
    and computers are using the bandwidth. Use that as evidence in a discussion
    with your roomates, especially when it comes to calculating who's going to
    be paying MORE for gobbling up the bandwidth.

    The next step would be to move the equipment into some sort of locked box.
    Not one that blocked the wireless signal though.

    You'd probably have better luck just moving out. Roomates are a pain in the
    ass.



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:00:51 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
    <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
    <2u2dnb0F1bzZlibanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:

    >If he's plugging and unplugging the gear what makes you think he'll go along
    >with throttling the connection?
    >
    >Who owns the equipment? Who's the subscriber to the internet service?
    >Unless that's you then you've got a problem that's unlikely to be going away
    >any time soon.
    >
    >If it's your equipment and you're the person named on the account for
    >internet service then you might have options. You could start by setting up
    >a router that has features for reporting usage. Start tracking which ports
    >and computers are using the bandwidth. Use that as evidence in a discussion
    >with your roomates, especially when it comes to calculating who's going to
    >be paying MORE for gobbling up the bandwidth.
    >
    >The next step would be to move the equipment into some sort of locked box.
    >Not one that blocked the wireless signal though.
    >
    >You'd probably have better luck just moving out. Roomates are a pain in the
    >ass.


    Or just get your own private service.

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  11. #11
    Bill Kearney
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    >>You'd probably have better luck just moving out. Roomates are a pain in
    >>the
    >>ass.

    >
    > Or just get your own private service.


    If his roomate is devious enough to be pulling the plug, he'd be just as
    likely to steal that too.



  12. #12
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:18:01 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
    <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
    <ec2dnbq45fMm7CbanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:

    >>>You'd probably have better luck just moving out. Roomates are a pain in
    >>>the
    >>>ass.

    >>
    >> Or just get your own private service.

    >
    >If his roomate is devious enough to be pulling the plug, he'd be just as
    >likely to steal that too.


    3G wireless? ;)

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  13. #13
    Eric Oyen - N7ZZT
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    Bill Kearney wrote:

    >>>You'd probably have better luck just moving out. Roomates are a pain in
    >>>the
    >>>ass.

    >>
    >> Or just get your own private service.

    >
    > If his roomate is devious enough to be pulling the plug, he'd be just as
    > likely to steal that too.


    heh.
    I live in a room mate situation like this myself.
    basically, I do everything here wired. even the wireless is inside the lan
    (as it should be). I run an openBSD 4.1 pf based firewall with bandwidth
    shaping capabilities. it and the cablemodem (and the wireless AP) are in a
    locked cabinet that I have the only key to. all equipment in that cabinet
    are also on a UPS with a nice long uptime. Now, since I have a block of
    IP's here, I have the OpenBSD machine setup as a firewalling bridge (its
    complicated but workable). the other roomies have their own IP's and the AP
    is locked to a non-routable lan IP address which is fully natted.

    Now, if any of them start complaining about bandwidth, I remind them of 2
    facts:
    1. I hold all the keys to the kingdom
    2. I pay for the service. if they want more, then pay me.
    3. you share intellectual property, expect to be cut off and you deal with
    the parties involved)

    so far, I have only had to enforce these rules once (right after a cease and
    desist order was written to me by my provider for copyright infringement).
    the IP was listed and I knew exactly who it was.

    in any case, you can do much to secure your physical hardware. if your
    roomie wants to hog all the service, he can do with none (cut off the house
    and have him do dialup).

    --
    Sometimes, you just gotta come right out and say whats on your mind and be
    damned those who would ridicule you for it!

  14. #14
    msg
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    Eric Oyen - N7ZZT wrote:

    <snip>
    > so far, I have only had to enforce these rules once (right after a cease and
    > desist order was written to me by my provider for copyright infringement).


    <snip>

    How do you dare take the risks? If it is DMCA related, the prosecution
    would be draconian, and even though you are not the infringer, you
    may be held liable and certainly the costs to defend would be severe.

    Michael

  15. #15
    Eric Oyen - N7ZZT
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    msg wrote:

    > Eric Oyen - N7ZZT wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    >> so far, I have only had to enforce these rules once (right after a cease
    >> and desist order was written to me by my provider for copyright
    >> infringement).

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > How do you dare take the risks? If it is DMCA related, the prosecution
    > would be draconian, and even though you are not the infringer, you
    > may be held liable and certainly the costs to defend would be severe.
    >
    > Michael


    its simple actually,
    they send you a warning. if you continue past that warning (which is also a
    grace period) then they attempt to prosecute.

    as for their Draconian prosecution, well, it can only go as far as the
    litigants are willing to fight. present a hard to win case and they tend to
    back off and leave you alone (easier fish to fry elsewhere). besides, I
    have documentation as to who was doing what and where. they would have to
    make a very powerful case for it and a single letter and some bits on a
    wire aren't sufficient cause.

    I checked with a lawyer on this was he helped me to draft the response
    needed. it helps to have a friend who is a lawyer. :)

    --
    Sometimes, you just gotta come right out and say whats on your mind and be
    damned those who would ridicule you for it!

  16. #16
    NotMe
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth


    "Eric Oyen - N7ZZT" <n7zzt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fpj740$4k7$1@aioe.org...
    | msg wrote:
    |
    | > Eric Oyen - N7ZZT wrote:
    | >
    | > <snip>
    | >> so far, I have only had to enforce these rules once (right after a
    cease
    | >> and desist order was written to me by my provider for copyright
    | >> infringement).
    | >
    | > <snip>
    | >
    | > How do you dare take the risks? If it is DMCA related, the prosecution
    | > would be draconian, and even though you are not the infringer, you
    | > may be held liable and certainly the costs to defend would be severe.
    | >
    | > Michael
    |
    | its simple actually,
    | they send you a warning. if you continue past that warning (which is also
    a
    | grace period) then they attempt to prosecute.
    |
    | as for their Draconian prosecution, well, it can only go as far as the
    | litigants are willing to fight. present a hard to win case and they tend
    to
    | back off and leave you alone (easier fish to fry elsewhere). besides, I
    | have documentation as to who was doing what and where. they would have to
    | make a very powerful case for it and a single letter and some bits on a
    | wire aren't sufficient cause.
    |
    | I checked with a lawyer on this was he helped me to draft the response
    | needed. it helps to have a friend who is a lawyer. :)
    |

    I'd be interested in reading the text of that responce if you care to share.



  17. #17
    astormchaser
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    On Feb 19, 12:18 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
    > DTC <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> hath wroth:
    >
    > >Get a Netequalizer appliance and problem solved. They start at $1,800
    > >and they work very effectively. That's what we run.

    >
    > Hmmm.... $1800 is about 5 years worth of $30/month DSL service. He
    > could buy the P2P addicts their own DSL service for 5 years, for the
    > price of the hardware. After 5 years, both the roommates and the
    > hardware will probably have depreciated to zero value.
    >
    > --
    > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
    > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    > Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
    > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


    Right the NetEqualizer starts to make sense when you manage 20 or so
    users (sharing a link and paying for it) Below that level the
    investment does not make sense

  18. #18
    Warren Oates
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    In article <ac0lr3ddgsbentjlrtugqnct6l16te00vt@4ax.com>,
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

    > Hmmm.... $1800 is about 5 years worth of $30/month DSL service. He
    > could buy the P2P addicts their own DSL service for 5 years, for the
    > price of the hardware. After 5 years, both the roommates and the
    > hardware will probably have depreciated to zero value.


    I have a Dlink DGL4300 that doesn't cost anywhere near that much, and
    has some pretty useful QoS stuff included. I've said this before: this
    is a very nice consumer router. Gigabit ethernet is nice for the wired
    side and the Mac Pro.

    http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300

    (Note that Dlink have invented some technical terms of their own that
    will need deciphering. The online help-file is pretty good, though.)
    --
    W. Oates

  19. #19
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Please help me - need advice on splitting bandwidth

    Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> hath wroth:
    >I have a Dlink DGL4300 that doesn't cost anywhere near that much, and
    >has some pretty useful QoS stuff included. I've said this before: this
    >is a very nice consumer router. Gigabit ethernet is nice for the wired
    >side and the Mac Pro.
    >
    >http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300
    >
    >(Note that Dlink have invented some technical terms of their own that
    >will need deciphering. The online help-file is pretty good, though.)


    Well, methinks the "GameFuel" QoS (traffic shaper) in the DGL-4300 is
    rather crude. It will also NOT do what the original poster wanted.
    See setup at:
    <http://support.dlink.com/emulators/dgl4300/Advanced_Traffic_Shaping.html>
    The configuration is by port number range only, with no provisions for
    control by IP or MAC address. No bandwidth limits by percentage of
    available bandwidth, by kbits/sec, or by some priority scheme. Crude.


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