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Thread: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

  1. #1
    Snowdrop
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    Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!


    -Hello All, I hope you can push me in the right direction regarding the
    MINEFIELD I've found with WiFi networking!

    To start then this is what I want to do. I tried before Christmas and
    it all went horribly wrong, I took the stuff back for refund and now
    want to try again.

    A] 1 PC, 1 Laptop. Want to be able to access the Internet (maybe both
    machines at the same time if possible).

    B] I live in the country so although the security side of it (WEP,
    WPA/PSK) is important, I'm not likely to have
    neighbours/nasty-people-in-Vans-parked-outside stealing info.

    C] Neither PC or Lappy has wireless adapter inside - I need dongles or
    PC Adapter card

    Is it possible to a) Hard-wire WiFi modem/router into back of PC then
    b) install dongle/or PC Adapter in lappy, rather than have dongles in
    BOTH PC and lappy? OR do I need to use dongles/adapter cards in BOTH PC
    AND lappy?

    Which TYPE of modem/router do I need? There are sooo many
    types/standards, difficult for the absolute beginner to know WHICH one
    to go for, but I think (after reading a lot online) G+ probably OK? What
    about N standard? And what is MIMO ?

    D] Next question is - What's the best manufacturer? There are quite a
    few sets costing in the £40 -s now, as there are in the £90 -s - Belkin,
    NetGear, Buffalo, etc etc. Which seems to be the Easiest and mist
    reliable please, but not costing the Earth?

    E] BT customer, not Cable.

    Sadly, because I live out-in-the-sticks, I can only have BB connection
    of 512 anyway, but as long as it doesn't degrade slower than this it's
    fine. Just need to wait for BT to get their act together for us
    country-bumpkins!!

    I'd be very grateful if someone could help me out with this.

    Thank you,

    xxx-


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  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:18:44 -0500, Snowdrop
    <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org> wrote in
    <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org>:

    >A] 1 PC, 1 Laptop. Want to be able to access the Internet (maybe both
    >machines at the same time if possible).


    Definitely possible.

    >B] I live in the country so although the security side of it (WEP,
    >WPA/PSK) is important, I'm not likely to have
    >neighbours/nasty-people-in-Vans-parked-outside stealing info.


    Risky assumption. No good reason not to use WPA with a strong
    passphrase.

    >C] Neither PC or Lappy has wireless adapter inside - I need dongles or
    >PC Adapter card


    Or non-dongle USB adapter. Or wireless Ethernet client bridge.

    >Is it possible to a) Hard-wire WiFi modem/router into back of PC then
    >b) install dongle/or PC Adapter in lappy, rather than have dongles in
    >BOTH PC and lappy? OR do I need to use dongles/adapter cards in BOTH PC
    >AND lappy?


    Hard wire? You mean connect the PC with Ethernet to the router instead
    of wireless? Sure. Pretty much all wireless routers include a number
    of wired ports. The PC can be wired or wireless, and the laptop can be
    wired or wireless.

    >Which TYPE of modem/router do I need? There are sooo many
    >types/standards, difficult for the absolute beginner to know WHICH one
    >to go for, but I think (after reading a lot online) G+ probably OK? What
    >about N standard? And what is MIMO ?


    Forget about all the marketing crap. All you need is good quality
    802.11g wireless.

    >D] Next question is - What's the best manufacturer? There are quite a
    >few sets costing in the £40 -s now, as there are in the £90 -s - Belkin,
    >NetGear, Buffalo, etc etc. Which seems to be the Easiest and mist
    >reliable please, but not costing the Earth?


    My favorite brand is Buffalo, but that gear is now barred from the US
    market due to a patent dispute. Belkin is bottom of the barrel.
    Hawking is cheap and decent. Likewise Netgear, D-Link and Linksys.
    Also TRENDnet. Suggest:

    * Linksys WRT54GL Wireless Router (note the L)
    * Netgear WG511 PC Card

    >E] BT customer, not Cable.


    DSL? Then you'll want a DSL modem with an Ethernet connection for the
    wireless router.

    >I'd be very grateful if someone could help me out with this.


    The wiki below has lots of useful information.

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  3. #3
    Mark McIntyre
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    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:18:44 -0500, Snowdrop
    > <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org> wrote in
    > <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org>:
    >
    >
    >> E] BT customer, not Cable.

    >
    > DSL?


    I guess she's in the UK, where BT are the phone network provider and who
    provide ADSL in many cases.

    To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    router.


  4. #4
    Martin²
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Snowdrop,
    if you only getting 512kb/s you are long way from your exchange and will
    have problem with signal attenuation and SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio).
    By far the best WiFi router I have found for those condition is BT1800,
    BT1801 or BT 2700 made by 2Wire (US co).
    BT used to provide them to business customers, but you can buy them on Ebay
    from £5 !
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-Openworld-I...QQcmdZViewItem

    If you have trouble with the link, just look for item No. 300196277935

    As for receivers:
    WiFi travels in mysterious ways and you don't always get a good signal where
    you need it, and sometimes couple of inches makes all the difference.
    The problem with PCI cards is that it is likely to be positioned under a
    desk or at least low down and the computer case itself shields the aerial.
    And you can't very well put it where it would work best.
    In my experience and USB adaptor with stand and length of cable (can be up
    to 5m) is the best solution.
    You can easily position it where you get the best signal, often higher is
    better, and if need be you can put a simple V folded card covered with
    aluminium foil on a side behind the USB dongle.
    D-Link G122 works so well for me, I bought 2 more now.
    Again, you can find them on Ebay.
    Regards,
    Martin



  5. #5
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:18:44 -0500, Snowdrop
    >> <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org> wrote in
    >> <Snowdrop.34is4l@no-mx.wirelessforums.org>:
    >>
    >>> E] BT customer, not Cable.

    >>
    >> DSL?

    >
    >I guess she's in the UK, where BT are the phone network provider and who
    >provide ADSL in many cases.
    >
    >To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >router.


    Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.

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  6. #6
    Mark McIntyre
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    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    > <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    > <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >
    >> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >> router.

    >
    > Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.


    At double the cost and complexity.

    In fact I agree in most cases, but for someone fairly nontechnical,
    having to buy and configure two separate pieces of kit is probably
    excessive.

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  7. #7
    John Navas
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    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:08:21 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    <q2Arj.4348$ts1.2868@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >> <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>
    >>> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >>> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >>> router.

    >>
    >> Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.

    >
    >At double the cost and complexity.


    Not that much more expensive, not at all complex, and much easier to
    deal with individual pieces. IMHO at least.

    >In fact I agree in most cases, but for someone fairly nontechnical,
    >having to buy and configure two separate pieces of kit is probably
    >excessive.


    I personally think it's usually better in the long run.

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  8. #8
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> hath wroth:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >> <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>
    >>> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >>> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >>> router.

    >>
    >> Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.


    >At double the cost and complexity.


    Not if the ISP subsidizes the DSL modem as AT&T does. It's also not
    double as DSL modems are available on eBay for literally the cost of
    shipping.

    >In fact I agree in most cases, but for someone fairly nontechnical,
    >having to buy and configure two separate pieces of kit is probably
    >excessive.


    Well, there are a few situations where an all in one box is a bad
    idea.

    1. Intrusion detection. The traffic sniffer goes between the modem
    and router. The connection point is inaccessible in a conglomerated
    package.
    2. Moving from a DSL to a cable modem or shared internet environment
    requires the replacement of the wireless router. If the modem and
    router were in seperate boxes, only the modem would need to be
    replaced.
    3. Location, location, and location. DSL phone cables tend to live
    near the floor. Wireless devices like to live up high for best
    coverage. Putting the DSL/wireless router conglomeration near the
    floor usually results in lousy range. With seperate boxes, it's much
    easier to optimize the locations.
    4. The latest fashion in DSL/wireless/router combinations is to have
    only one ethernet port due to lack of panel space to handle added
    features such as a USB printer port. Adding wired computers usually
    involves adding an ethernet switch.
    5. DSL modems are often sensitive to digital and RF noise. I have an
    (unconfirmed) suspicion that some of the odd DSL performance issues
    I'm seeing ocassionally are due to RF getting into the DSL front end.
    6. It's MUCH easier to troubleshoot networking problems if you can
    easily replace a functional section.
    7. Mutliple boxes are cool looking and give everyone the impression
    that you're a networking geek. Impress your friends.

    Incidentally, the secret to successfully interconnecting a mess of
    consumer networking boxes is to use very flexible stranded CAT5
    interconnection cable. The modem and wireless boxes are so light,
    that they slide around on a shelf. The stiff CAT5 wire makes stacking
    boxes difficult, but stranded works nicely.

    --
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    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  9. #9
    Mark McIntyre
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:08:21 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    > <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    > <q2Arj.4348$ts1.2868@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >>> <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>>
    >>>> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >>>> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >>>> router.
    >>> Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.

    >> At double the cost and complexity.

    >
    > Not that much more expensive,


    In the UK, APs are often MORE expensive than ADSL-ready wireless
    routers. For example one online retailer has a cheap wireless router for
    £25, while their cheapest AP is £31 and cheapest wired router is about
    £20. To get name-brands (ie not generic own-brand, belkin or edimax),
    you have to step up by about a fiver on each.

    > not at all complex, and much easier to
    > deal with individual pieces. IMHO at least.


    I would tend to agree but often all-in-one units come with all-in-one
    instructions and all-in-one idiot-proof configs.

    Myself, I have a wired router attached to a cable modem, with two
    wireless routers acting as APs hanging off the end of cat5 from the
    'main' router.


  10. #10
    Mark McIntyre
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    > Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> hath wroth:
    >
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >>> <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>>
    >>>> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >>>> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >>>> router.
    >>> Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.

    >
    >> At double the cost and complexity.

    >
    > Not if the ISP subsidizes the DSL modem as AT&T does.


    Agreed. However many UK ISPs supply a USB_only DSL modem, with the
    option of a one-port router for extra cash.

    > It's also not
    > double as DSL modems are available on eBay for literally the cost of
    > shipping.


    I make a point of never buying stuff from ebay that I actually need to
    rely on to function.... :-)

    > Well, there are a few situations where an all in one box is a bad
    > idea.


    I don't disagree at all.

    > Incidentally, the secret to successfully interconnecting a mess of
    > consumer networking boxes is to use very flexible stranded CAT5
    > interconnection cable. The modem and wireless boxes are so light,
    > that they slide around on a shelf. The stiff CAT5 wire makes stacking
    > boxes difficult, but stranded works nicely.


    I wallmounted all mine and used custom-made cabling cut to length.

  11. #11
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> hath wroth:

    >I would tend to agree but often all-in-one units come with all-in-one
    >instructions and all-in-one idiot-proof configs.


    Idiots don't read instructions, so instructions written for idiots
    will never be read. Besides, most of the routers these days come
    with:
    1. Wholesale repudiation of responsibility written in legalese.
    2. Overly simplified installation giant foldout suitable for
    recycling.
    3. Warranty limitations in 15 assorted languages.
    4. A "Read Me First" document that says to shove in the included
    CDROM and to call support if you're stuck.

    If there are any useful instruction in the box, it's been a long time
    since I've seen any.

    >Myself, I have a wired router attached to a cable modem, with two
    >wireless routers acting as APs hanging off the end of cat5 from the
    >'main' router.


    My setup of the week is:
    1. Efficient 5360 (junk) DSL modem.
    2. Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 with DD-WRT v24 RC6.2 wireless router with
    external antenna running the neighborhood WLAN.
    3. Linksys WRT54Gv4 running the local LAN and WLAN.
    4. Panasonic Toughbook CF-M34 running various sniffer, monitoring,
    and IDS applications.

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    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  12. #12
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> hath wroth:

    >>> At double the cost and complexity.

    >>
    >> Not if the ISP subsidizes the DSL modem as AT&T does.


    >Agreed. However many UK ISPs supply a USB_only DSL modem, with the
    >option of a one-port router for extra cash.


    Yech. I've never found the USB DSL modems useful for anything more
    than testing. I wonder why they do that as ethernet DSL modems aren't
    any more expensive than USB.

    Incidentally, note the retail prices from SBC/AT&T:
    <http://www.sbcdslstore.com/Catalog/ProductCategories.asp?CategoryId=catMRG&SortBy=&SortOrder=DESC&num=999999>

    >> Well, there are a few situations where an all in one box is a bad
    >> idea.

    >
    >I don't disagree at all.


    Ok. In my never humble opinion, the few and marginal benifits of a
    conglomerated package, do not offer much in view of the potential
    disadvantages that I listed. Incidentally, literally all of the
    conglomerated DSL/router combinations boxes I've accumulated and
    resold were the result of someone moving to a cable connection, and
    discovering that their equipment was useless.

    >I wallmounted all mine and used custom-made cabling cut to length.


    I was referring to my customers installations. I don't have time to
    cut custom cables on site. I recently obtained about 300ea 1 meter
    long cables. All are stranded CAT5e cable with molded and protected
    ends. They pass in a gigabit cable tester (even though stranded wire
    should not be expected to pass). That should take care of my installs
    for perhaps 2 years. The 1 meter length is a bit much for box
    interconnects, but seems ideal for general purpose cables. If I get
    ambitious, I may build a pile of shorter jumper cables.

    --
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    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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  13. #13
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:27:45 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    <XLLrj.17402$ng7.2799@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:08:21 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >> <q2Arj.4348$ts1.2868@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>
    >>> John Navas wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:14:58 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >>>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >>>> <mclrj.4345$ts1.1741@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
    >>>>
    >>>>> To the OP: does your existing ISP-supplied modem have an ethernet port?
    >>>>> If not, put it away in a cupboard and look for a wireless ADSL-ready
    >>>>> router.
    >>>> Better yet, look for a DSL modem with an Ethernet port.
    >>> At double the cost and complexity.

    >>
    >> Not that much more expensive,

    >
    >In the UK, APs are often MORE expensive than ADSL-ready wireless
    >routers. For example one online retailer has a cheap wireless router for
    >£25, while their cheapest AP is £31 and cheapest wired router is about
    >£20. To get name-brands (ie not generic own-brand, belkin or edimax),
    >you have to step up by about a fiver on each.


    I can't speak to the UK, but here in the USA Ethernet equipped DSL
    modems are dirt cheap or even free from the service provider, and
    wireless routers that can be configured as access points are cheap.

    >> not at all complex, and much easier to
    >> deal with individual pieces. IMHO at least.

    >
    >I would tend to agree but often all-in-one units come with all-in-one
    >instructions and all-in-one idiot-proof configs.


    I've all too often had to bail out people where "idiot-proof"
    configuration had failed.

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  14. #14
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    <fPLrj.5617$ea6.792@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>:

    >Jeff Liebermann wrote:


    >> It's also not
    >> double as DSL modems are available on eBay for literally the cost of
    >> shipping.

    >
    >I make a point of never buying stuff from ebay that I actually need to
    >rely on to function.... :-)


    Your choice, but a shame in my experience -- I've gotten lots of great
    deals on eBay.

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  15. #15
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> hath wroth:

    >On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    ><markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    ><fPLrj.5617$ea6.792@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>:
    >
    >>Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    >
    >>> It's also not
    >>> double as DSL modems are available on eBay for literally the cost of
    >>> shipping.

    >>
    >>I make a point of never buying stuff from ebay that I actually need to
    >>rely on to function.... :-)


    >Your choice, but a shame in my experience -- I've gotten lots of great
    >deals on eBay.


    Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose. For my latest fiasco, see:
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/home/slides/BL-shop5.html>
    On the left is a pile of HP 8620a/c sweep generators. On the right
    are two Wavetek 3000a service monitors plus one on the shelf. Only
    the one on the shelf works.

    All 6 boxes were purchased as sorta working (varies by the creative
    descriptions) for much less than what a working and properly tested
    unit would have cost. When I get two of these working, I'll have the
    3rd unit for spare parts.

    My never humble advice on buying DSL modems, routers, and wireless
    devices on eBay is to buy two. The prices are much less than retail
    and if you really want at least one to work, you'll need to buy a
    spare. Be prepared to do a firmware update on arrival.

    I hate to admit how much hardware I've bought on eBay. Most of the
    hardware shown on my current workbench are eBay purchases. In most
    cases, I get better service, better quality, and better prices on eBay
    than retail or mail order. I have yet to be cheated, have filed no
    grievances with eBay, and have had only one major misunderstanding
    (which was eventually solved to everyone's satisfaction). If I have
    anything to complain about eBay, it's that many vendors offer very
    vague and terse descriptions, miserable photos, and bizarre terms.
    Caveat Emptor.
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  16. #16
    Mark McIntyre
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    > John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> hath wroth:
    >
    >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
    >>> I make a point of never buying stuff from ebay that I actually need to
    >>> rely on to function.... :-)

    >
    >> Your choice, but a shame in my experience -- I've gotten lots of great
    >> deals on eBay.

    >
    > Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose.


    My biggest issue is that my brother in law runs an antiques business
    using ebay. So I get to see precisely how such sellers and buyers
    operate .... Kinda like eating turkey after working night-shift in the
    poultry-gutting works... :-)

  17. #17
    Char Jackson
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:

    >Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    >
    >> Incidentally, the secret to successfully interconnecting a mess of
    >> consumer networking boxes is to use very flexible stranded CAT5
    >> interconnection cable. The modem and wireless boxes are so light,
    >> that they slide around on a shelf. The stiff CAT5 wire makes stacking
    >> boxes difficult, but stranded works nicely.

    >
    >I wallmounted all mine and used custom-made cabling cut to length.


    [old thread alert]

    By chance, do you have a picture of your wall full of networking
    items, with custom cabling? That's gotta be a bit bizarre and not
    entirely wife-approved, or at least it wouldn't be in my house. :-)


  18. #18
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:24:03 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    ><markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:
    >
    >>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    >>
    >>> Incidentally, the secret to successfully interconnecting a mess of
    >>> consumer networking boxes is to use very flexible stranded CAT5
    >>> interconnection cable. The modem and wireless boxes are so light,
    >>> that they slide around on a shelf. The stiff CAT5 wire makes stacking
    >>> boxes difficult, but stranded works nicely.

    >>
    >>I wallmounted all mine and used custom-made cabling cut to length.

    >
    >[old thread alert]


    Yeah, 5 months later.

    >By chance, do you have a picture of your wall full of networking
    >items, with custom cabling? That's gotta be a bit bizarre and not
    >entirely wife-approved, or at least it wouldn't be in my house. :-)


    For some Linksys devices, see wall mount at:
    <http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416908686&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVis itorWrapper>
    $25 for 10 of them.

    Neatness counts:
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/mess01.html>
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/wall-wart-01.html>

    Cut to length wiring is a good idea:
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Beirut-Telco/slides/beirut-telco-03.html>



    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  19. #19
    Char Jackson
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:34:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:24:03 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:31:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre
    >><markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Incidentally, the secret to successfully interconnecting a mess of
    >>>> consumer networking boxes is to use very flexible stranded CAT5
    >>>> interconnection cable. The modem and wireless boxes are so light,
    >>>> that they slide around on a shelf. The stiff CAT5 wire makes stacking
    >>>> boxes difficult, but stranded works nicely.
    >>>
    >>>I wallmounted all mine and used custom-made cabling cut to length.

    >>
    >>[old thread alert]

    >
    >Yeah, 5 months later.
    >
    >>By chance, do you have a picture of your wall full of networking
    >>items, with custom cabling? That's gotta be a bit bizarre and not
    >>entirely wife-approved, or at least it wouldn't be in my house. :-)

    >
    >For some Linksys devices, see wall mount at:
    ><http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416908686&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVis itorWrapper>
    >$25 for 10 of them.


    Thanks, I knew about the wall mount option but haven't actually seen a
    wall covered with multiple units.
    >Neatness counts:
    ><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/mess01.html>
    ><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/wall-wart-01.html>
    >
    >Cut to length wiring is a good idea:
    ><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Beirut-Telco/slides/beirut-telco-03.html>


    Amazing photos. :)


  20. #20
    Mark McIntyre
    Guest

    Re: Lady-in-Distress needs your help Re.WiFi Connections please!

    Char Jackson wrote:
    > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:34:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    > wrote:
    >> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/wall-wart-01.html>


    Yikes! This photo qualifies for the "never never never do this"
    electrical safety manual. Do you really run stuff like that? And live in
    a timber house in the middle of the woods? Egad!

    Do you also stand on hilltops in a thunderstorm, waving a sword, wearing
    copper armour and shouting "all the gods are barstewards" ? :-)

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