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Thread: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

  1. #121
    Nomen Nescio
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    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nospamatall wrote:

    > Sebastian G. wrote:
    > > Anonymous wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>> Maybe you're just stupid. Why do you narrow your views to one
    > >>> drive? You can have two or more. One contains the operating
    > >>> system, does the pre-boot stuff and has an identifyable partition
    > >>> table. The second drive is meant to store data, and is fully
    > >>> encrypted, including the partition table.
    > >>
    > >> Maybe you're just a lying sack, desperately trying to change the
    > >> rules to try and win a point.
    > >>
    > >> Can you install an OS to ANY device that's been encrypted by
    > >> Truecrypt? No.

    > >
    > >
    > > That has never been a requirement.

    >
    > You can install an OS and then encrypt the whole drive.


    Actually, no you can not. If you do this, you destroy the operating
    system and everything else on the drive. Truecrypt has no
    non-destructive encrypting tools *except* for the system partition tool.

    > Maybe you can do
    > the other thing too, but I doubt we would find out anything useful from
    > these folks!


    Nope. There's no way to bootstrap a Truecrypt encrypted device. They
    can't even really be mounted properly. This is one of the key things
    that tells you Truecrypt isn't a FD OTFE tool.

    If the explanation in their own words isn't enough for you that is. ;)











  2. #122
    Nomen Nescio
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > You still don't understand that Bestcrypt Volume Encryption can provide
    > OTFE protection for full HDs? Then go read the site documentation again -
    > maybe this time even a moron like you will get it.


    WE did read it kiddo, and even quoted it here. In stark contrast to
    your made up horse flop as a matter of fact. There's only one moron
    not "getting things" here, and that moron is you. The fact that you're
    snipping like a coward and pasting like a kindergartner tells us even
    you realize this, whether you're man enough to admit it or not.

    It's probably comforting to bluster about how you "swat" people all the
    time, but reality is a whole different matter. Jetico's own (actual)
    words displayed prominently on their official web site plainly delineate
    between various types of OTFE, clearly state which one their product
    is, and even goes so far as warning readers that it's important to
    understand the difference.

    The sooner you grow up and come to terms with that latter bit of advice
    the better off you'll be. The longer you put it off, the more you'll be
    on the receiving end of the swatter. Either way. Up to you. :)


  3. #123
    Ari
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:05:47 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:

    >> a good thing. Keeping your ill-thought-out gibberings
    >> off sci.crypt would in particular be appreciated.

    >
    > You could always try alt.whining.cunts.moderated.
    >
    > It's that way ------------------------------------->


    I looked over there and all I found was
    alt.anonymous.overblownegoswhothinktheyareimportant and
    alt.corp.anonymous-posters.notselfemployed.paychecktakers
    --
    An Explanation Of The Need To Be "Anonymous"
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

  4. #124
    Ari
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    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:41:28 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

    > No, Sebastian, by far the most plausible reason for every drive on a
    > computer being filled with random junk is that encryption is being used.
    >
    > Regards,


    ********, Usenet posts.
    --
    An Explanation Of The Need To Be "Anonymous"
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

  5. #125
    Ari
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:

    > That's really funny coming from someone whose idea of "secure" is
    > hiding something in a sock drawer.


    Depends on where the sock drawer resides. For you, yes, totally insecure.
    Since you sleep on your hobo bag in the alley.
    --
    An Explanation Of The Need To Be "Anonymous"
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

  6. #126
    nemo_outis
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
    news:58cb2973f6b9fe4344a708161da63134@dizum.com:

    You read it again and yet you still don't get it. Then go read the site
    documentation again - maybe this time even a moron like you will get it.

    Regards,


  7. #127
    nemo_outis
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote
    in news:24250861f8cfd5a440460111e28b78d8@remailer.cyberiade.it:

    Windows cannot boot from a completely encrypted disk because there's
    nothing to decrypt those first bytes to even get the process started.

    Regards,


  8. #128
    nemo_outis
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Anonymous <xor@hermetix.org> wrote in
    news:35c8a5a05a21073fe24f8fe89666ea2b@hermetix.org:

    While it is far from the only thing you are confused and in error about,
    you seem to have confused and conflated the concept of not being possible
    to apoodictically prove that encryption is being used with plausible
    deniability.

    Regards,

  9. #129
    Henrique Mandalin
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Ari wrote:
    > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:
    >
    >> That's really funny coming from someone whose idea of "secure" is
    >> hiding something in a sock drawer.

    >
    > Depends on where the sock drawer resides. For you, yes, totally insecure.
    > Since you sleep on your hobo bag in the alley.


    It would be interesting to hear how you know that fact, if it is, in
    fact, a fact.

    Henrique


  10. #130
    Nomen Nescio
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
    > news:82ea57176532ddf0881ca98427937d4a@dizum.com:
    >
    > You obviously still haven't enrolled in that remedial reading course.


    You obviously don't have the guts to do anything but snip entire posts
    so you can ignore (actual, not made up) cites, and fling little bits of
    your own brand of **** just to try and get a last word in.

    Cheer up little Nemo, I'll allow you that small luxury soon enough.

    But not just yet.

    *snicker*

    http://www.jetico.com/bcve_web_help/...what_is_ve.htm

    Very first paragraph...

    "The chapter explains why BestCrypt Volume Encryption (a line in
    BestCrypt family of encryption software products) has got Volume
    Encryption name. Many people may think that Volume Encryption is the
    same as Partition Encryption or even Whole Disk Encryption. Sometimes
    it is really so, but not always, and it is worth to learn about the
    difference."

    Suck that one again, bitch.


  11. #131
    Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Sebastian G. wrote:

    > Anonymous wrote:
    >
    > > Sebastian G. wrote:
    > >
    > >> Anonymous wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>> Nonsense. Microsoft has only disabled this option by default, since
    > >>>> they don't want to support such configurations.
    > >>> Maybe you can explain teh difference between "crippled" and "disabled"?
    > >>
    > >> Documentation and partial support.

    > >
    > > Telling someone their leg is irreparably broken and handing the a set
    > > of crutches doesn't make them any less crippled or disabled.

    >
    >
    > Making bad analogies doesn't make your point any less moot.


    Denying the obvious and quibbling like a school girl over meaningless
    semantics doesn't make YOU appear clever. In spite of what you think.

    >
    > > You're engaging in a semantics quibble that doesn't even exist, but
    > > then you seem to enjoy that sort of thing. Never have to admit you were
    > > wrong about something if you just make up the rules as you go, now do
    > > you? :(

    >
    >
    > Well, then tell me just one thing: If it was really crippled, then why was I
    > able to unleash this functionality with nothing but a text editor and an
    > archiver (for unpacking and optionally repacking the CABinet archives)?


    Obviously, your text editor and achiever were all the tools needed You
    "fixed" something just like a doctor might re-break a leg and set it
    properly to correct some crippling disability.

    Assuming anything you say is factual of course. *shrug*

    Free clue: Disabled and crippled are synonymous, whether you're able to
    comprehend that by analogy or not.


  12. #132
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > "Sebastian G." <seppi@seppig.de> wrote in
    > news:615b7tF1sfp4gU3@mid.dfncis.de:
    >
    > > nemo_outis wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>> Additionally, if you do the pre-boot stuff, the MBR
    > >>> containing this code would also differ from random data. But
    > >>> TrueCrypt does not permit storing the MBR on another media
    > >>> and do some redirection.
    > >>
    > >> Yes, Truecrypt has not COMPLETELY redesigned Windows' boot
    > >> process to accomodate a kook like you.

    > >
    > >
    > > Two obvious things:
    > >
    > > - This is not a limitation of Windows' boot process. Why do you
    > > think it is?
    > >
    > > - storing the initial boot loader on another media to avoid
    > > running a potentially modified bootloader from the disk in
    > > neither unknown nor unusual, so it's no wonder that some
    > > products actually implement this

    >
    > How can you be this stupid, Sebastian? No matter how easy you
    > think it is, no matter how badly you want it, the plain fact of
    > the matter is that WINDOWS DOESN'T DO IT!


    Not only does Windows "do it", the process is well documented on
    the MSDN web sapce and even supported with several different
    developer kits depending on what your target is. Not that they're
    strictly necessary either from a technical, or a licensing
    standpoint.

    >
    > Regards,
    >



  13. #133
    Nomen Nescio
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
    > news:9c560c5e4d435ab2734ae2e076739ea3@dizum.com:
    >
    > Back again with the same ********? You get the same answer as
    > last time.
    >
    > If you have some argument to show how an unencrypted partition
    > table would permit decrypting the contents of of an encrypted
    > partition, then make it. If not, then, as I have repeatedly
    > suggested: Do be a good little moron and **** off.


    You've already been given a cite explaining exactly how and why
    unencrypted partition tables are a risk. How they can in FACT aid
    in the cryptanalysis of an encrypted volume, and you damned well
    know it or you wouldn't have made a pathetic attempt to twist
    things into some discussion of absolutes.

    Your willingness to make fool of yourself through blatant
    dishonesty is fast becoming your most defining quality nemo.


  14. #134
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Ari wrote:

    > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:
    >
    > > That's really funny coming from someone whose idea of "secure"
    > > is hiding something in a sock drawer.

    >
    > Depends on where the sock drawer resides. For you, yes, totally
    > insecure. Since you sleep on your hobo bag in the alley.


    but my socks are all bar code encrypted. and everyone knows bar code
    encryption is safe enough to secure 40 acre nuclear test facilities.


  15. #135
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Henrique Mandalin wrote:

    > Ari wrote:
    > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:
    > >
    > >> That's really funny coming from someone whose idea of "secure"
    > >> is hiding something in a sock drawer.

    > >
    > > Depends on where the sock drawer resides. For you, yes, totally
    > > insecure. Since you sleep on your hobo bag in the alley.

    >
    > It would be interesting to hear how you know that fact, if it is,
    > in fact, a fact.


    Ari is acutely allergic to facts.

    >
    > Henrique
    >



  16. #136
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Henrique Mandalin wrote:

    > Ari wrote:
    > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous wrote:
    > >
    > >> That's really funny coming from someone whose idea of "secure" is
    > >> hiding something in a sock drawer.

    > >
    > > Depends on where the sock drawer resides. For you, yes, totally insecure.
    > > Since you sleep on your hobo bag in the alley.

    >
    > It would be interesting to hear how you know that fact, if it is, in
    > fact, a fact.


    It's a fact Ari's facts and real facts are factually two different
    things, in fact.

    >
    > Henrique
    >



  17. #137
    George Orwell
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote
    > in news:24250861f8cfd5a440460111e28b78d8@remailer.cyberiade.it:
    >
    > Windows cannot boot from a completely encrypted disk because there's
    > nothing to decrypt those first bytes to even get the process started.


    Nope! Sorry, but your **** retentivness is making you miss something so
    obvious I'm actually surprised I've strung you along this long. Figured
    you'd have stumbled across the answer by now, especially since someone
    else already hinted at it.

    If you ask really nice I'll clue you in. :)

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  18. #138
    George Orwell
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    nemo_outis wrote:

    > George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in
    > news:bf6ea79edec361e1aad589185e7d1167@mixmaster.it:
    >
    > > nemo_outis wrote:

    > ...
    > >> As for an unencrypted partition table disclosing info, that
    > >> trivial info is useless for decrypting the contents of the
    > >> partitions or even inferring the nature of what is contained
    > >> in them.

    >
    > > I see. So now you believe you're smarter than all the encryption
    > > and cryptanalysis experts that ever lived, combined.

    >
    >
    > You see little and comprehend less.


    You snip like a little ****ing coward and hope nobody sees any of
    it. Isn't working. Here it is again coward:

    http://www.jetico.com/bcve_web_help/...what_is_ve.htm

    "We call encryption software working with volumes Volume Encryption
    software. Note that if Volume Encryption software encrypts a volume
    consisting of a single partition, for the user it will give the same
    result as Partition Encryption software. If a single partition
    occupies the whole hard drive, Volume Encryption will be equal both
    to Whole Disk Encryption and Partition Encryption. Encrypting of
    basic partition C: on Figure 3 below illustrates that."

    "Volume Encryption software works with volume as with a single
    portion of data. Volume is always in one of the two definite
    states: if password is not entered, the whole volume is not
    accessible. If the user enters the proper password and opens the
    volume, all its parts, even stored on different hard drives, become
    accessible. In our opinion, working with volumes is more native
    both for the user and computer, because it is a volume that stores
    a complete filesystem structure and a complete tree of the user's
    files. As in the modern world single volume stores data scattered
    on a number of physical disks, it is more convenient and safe to
    manage a volume, rather than work with every physical drive
    separately."

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  19. #139
    George Orwell
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Sebastian G. wrote:

    > nemo_outis wrote:
    >
    >
    > > If you have some argument to show how an unencrypted partition
    > > table would permit decrypting the contents of of an encrypted
    > > partition, then make it.

    >
    >
    > It doesn't. What it permits is to differ the encrypted disc from
    > random data, and it permits knowledge about the partitioning of
    > the volume inside the encrypted container.


    Which can, potentially, lead to several attack vectors.

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  20. #140
    Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
    Guest

    Re: Truecrypt 5.0 Released (now with system partition encryption)

    Ari wrote:

    > On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:41:28 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
    >
    > > No, Sebastian, by far the most plausible reason for every drive
    > > on a computer being filled with random junk is that encryption
    > > is being used.
    > >
    > > Regards,

    >
    > ********, Usenet posts.


    especially ones by kikes about bar code crypto and 40 acre nuclear
    test facilities.


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