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  1. #1
    Chilly8
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    Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

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    I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what people
    are using my proxy for, when surfing from work, and I did see
    someone from Australia surfing various kinds of wedding-related
    sites.

    Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
    One's wedding day is a very SPECIAL day, and I feel that the
    corporate network that was obviously banning wedding sites
    needs to RETHINK their usage policies. There is NOTHING
    wrong OR unethical about suring wedding-related sites from
    work. I am glad to know that I was helping someone plan
    their wedding day without the boss knowing what they were
    doing. They will see a lot of connections to my proxy, but
    that person's boss, in Australia, will NEVER KNOW that
    employee was surfing wedding sites form work, and I feel
    good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan
    their special day, from work, without the boss being able
    to know what he/she was up to.



  2. #2
    Leythos
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    > NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    > networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.


    This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.

    A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

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    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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  3. #3
    Chilly8
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

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    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

    >
    > This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
    >
    > A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.



    A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
    wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
    as you get your work done.



  4. #4
    Jason
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    * Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com>:
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
    >> In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    >>> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    >>> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

    >>
    >> This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
    >>
    >> A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

    >
    >
    > A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
    > wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
    > as you get your work done.
    >
    >


    Using company resources for non company things is likely against company
    policy. What part of that are you having trouble with? I'd love to see
    you actually own a company and have your staff doing what you suggest
    instead of what you are paying them for. How quickly would you change
    your tune?

    Jason

  5. #5
    Chilly8
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

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    "Jason" <Jason@invalid.address.lan> wrote in message
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    >* Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com>:
    >> X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>
    >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    >> news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
    >>> In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >>>> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    >>>> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    >>>> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
    >>>
    >>> This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
    >>>
    >>> A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

    >>
    >>
    >> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
    >> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
    >> as you get your work done.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Using company resources for non company things is likely against company
    > policy. What part of that are you having trouble with? I'd love to see
    > you actually own a company and have your staff doing what you suggest
    > instead of what you are paying them for. How quickly would you change
    > your tune?


    As long as they got their work done, I would not have a problem with
    that, or listening to online radio. As long as you get your work done,
    that is all that should matter.



  6. #6
    Leythos
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    In article <fml3u8$5k0$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
    > > In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    > >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    > >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

    > >
    > > This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
    > >
    > > A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

    >
    >
    > A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
    > wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
    > as you get your work done.


    Again, it's not your call. In our customers networks we even block
    access to News and most other sites by default from Managers.

    The company makes the rules, you either follow them or get a different
    company to work for.

    In 90% of cases where people have access to non-company business sites,
    those people will waste company time and other resources on personal
    crap that costs the company money.

    --

    Leythos
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  7. #7
    Chilly8
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

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    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.21f81ad8b69e409e989988@Adfree.usenet.com...
    > In article <fml3u8$5k0$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>
    >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    >> news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
    >> > In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    >> >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    >> >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
    >> >
    >> > This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
    >> >
    >> > A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

    >>
    >>
    >> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
    >> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
    >> as you get your work done.

    >
    > Again, it's not your call. In our customers networks we even block
    > access to News and most other sites by default from Managers.



    Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
    lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
    backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
    wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
    more then welcome to do so.



  8. #8
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    In article <fmludp$2k8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
    > lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
    > backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
    > wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
    > more then welcome to do so.


    And that's why all of us consider you an unethical person.

    --

    Leythos
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  9. #9
    Gary
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    Chilly8 wrote in his original post:

    > I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what
    > people are using my proxy for, when surfing from work,

    ....
    > Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    > NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    > networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

    ....
    > I feel good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan their
    > special day, from work, without the boss being able to know what
    > he/she was up to.


    Well, Chilly8, one might question the ethics of a proxy provider snooping
    on their users. I'm sure that if your anonymous wedding planner knew that
    the allegedly anonymous proxy server you're hosting was being so closely
    monitored they might not feel so special. Of course, I'm merely assuming
    that your proxy is advertised as such but, as the rest of this thread
    seems to imply your lack of cluefulness in general in this discussion,
    don't you find it a bit ironic that you're the one raising the indignant
    moralist flag in this situation?

    As for the matter of company bandwidth usage, employers are well within
    their rights to limit staff use of company resources whether it be using
    the postage meter for personal mail, long distance calls to grandma, or
    printing your pictures of your ass on the color printer. The same goes for
    bandwidth consumption. So if your network admin wishes to restrict
    peer-to-peer traffic, flash or ActiveX controls, streaming audio/video, or
    any manner of site filtering/blocking, that's their right to do so as they
    are paying for the bandwidth and for the IT staff that maintains the
    network and cleans the cruft out of your bot net virus infected PC that
    wouldn't need scrubbing if you hadn't been looking at pictures of wedding
    porn in the first place.

    -Gary

  10. #10
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    In article <73e7.479398b4.b15c9@efn.org>, garyd@efn.org.spamsux says...
    > Well, Chilly8, one might question the ethics of a proxy provider snooping
    > on their users. I'm sure that if your anonymous wedding planner knew that
    > the allegedly anonymous proxy server you're hosting was being so closely
    > monitored they might not feel so special.


    See, you've exposed him when we were just going to let him hang himself
    in his own statements....

    --

    Leythos
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  11. #11
    Chilly8
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

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    "Gary" <garyd@efn.org.spamsux> wrote in message
    news:73e7.479398b4.b15c9@efn.org...
    > Chilly8 wrote in his original post:
    >
    >> I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what
    >> people are using my proxy for, when surfing from work,

    > ...
    >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

    > ...
    >> I feel good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan their
    >> special day, from work, without the boss being able to know what
    >> he/she was up to.

    >
    > Well, Chilly8, one might question the ethics of a proxy provider snooping
    > on their users. I'm sure that if your anonymous wedding planner knew that
    > the allegedly anonymous proxy server you're hosting was being so closely


    Actually, I am not normally able to monitor what goes on. THAT
    proxy is a filtered proxy for my network, not meant for public
    consumption. The script kiddies that were scanning my site
    found it and posted it to the various public proxy sites. It turns
    out that some filtering proxies have a GAPING security hole
    that allows anyone from around the world to surf through the
    proxy,

    The proxy that IS meant for public consumptoin, the Tor entry
    proxy, I could not monitor that if I wanted to, which is
    why I now advocate people use the Tor proxy, when coming
    from work, because you merely go from machine to another
    random machine on the Onion Router network. By using
    the Tor proxy, instead of the filtering proxy, which was
    found and posted, your activities CANNOT BE
    MONITORED, either by me, OR by your emplyer.

    The Tor proxy is there to allow people to use Tor,
    without having to install the software, very handy
    for people on school or work computers that are
    locked down against installation of new software.

    > As for the matter of company bandwidth usage, employers are well within
    > their rights to limit staff use of company resources whether it be using
    > the postage meter for personal mail, long distance calls to grandma, or
    > printing your pictures of your ass on the color printer.


    There was a radio station in the America some years
    ago that had a contest for some hard-to-get concert
    tickets, of "Fax us a picture of your butt", where people
    had to take a picture of their backside on the company
    copy machine, and then fax that to the radio station,
    where they would decide who had the best backside.
    The winner got tickets to a New Kids On The Block
    concert, which was one of the hottest tickets anywhere,
    at that time.

    This morning DJ crew was one of the zaniest DJs
    ever on morning radio in America, and that was a
    rather zany contest the did.



  12. #12
    Chilly8
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    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical


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    On Jan 20, 10:53*am, Gary <ga...@efn.org.spamsux> wrote:
    > Chilly8 wrote in his original post:
    >
    >
    >
    > > I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what
    > > people are using my proxy for, when surfing from work,

    > ...
    > > Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    > > NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    > > networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding. *

    > ...
    > > I feel good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan their
    > > special day, from work, without the boss being able to know what
    > > he/she was up to.

    >
    > Well, Chilly8, one might question the ethics of a proxy provider snooping
    > on their users. I'm sure that if your anonymous wedding planner knew that


    Well, I don't keep the logs very long. I erase the logs and overwrite
    them with Evidence Eliminator every couple days or so, so any tracks
    of what they are doing are GONE, becuase I use the DoD spec of 7
    repetitions of destruction, plus three different kinds of destructs
    each pass, for a total of 21 passes. If the DoD spec is used, not even
    an electron microscope is going to recover the data.

  13. #13
    Leythos
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    In article <998a1d33-bc1b-4f1f-a4da-
    0bfed47553cc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > On Jan 20, 10:53*am, Gary <ga...@efn.org.spamsux> wrote:
    > > Chilly8 wrote in his original post:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what
    > > > people are using my proxy for, when surfing from work,

    > > ...
    > > > Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
    > > > NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
    > > > networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding. *

    > > ...
    > > > I feel good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan their
    > > > special day, from work, without the boss being able to know what
    > > > he/she was up to.

    > >
    > > Well, Chilly8, one might question the ethics of a proxy provider snooping
    > > on their users. I'm sure that if your anonymous wedding planner knew that

    >
    > Well, I don't keep the logs very long. I erase the logs and overwrite
    > them with Evidence Eliminator every couple days or so, so any tracks
    > of what they are doing are GONE, becuase I use the DoD spec of 7
    > repetitions of destruction, plus three different kinds of destructs
    > each pass, for a total of 21 passes. If the DoD spec is used, not even
    > an electron microscope is going to recover the data.


    And there is no proof of that. You still show that you are UNETHICAL AND
    DISHONEST.

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    Leythos
    - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  14. #14
    Chilly8
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical


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    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:MPG.221819459090d038989a17@Adfree.usenet.com...



    >And there is no proof of that. You still show that you are UNETHICAL AND
    >DISHONEST.


    I have EE scrub all the empty space one per day on the hard disk, and at
    3 passes per day, with all three destruction types used on each pass, that
    is
    equal to 63 passes per week, well above the DoD specs for destruction
    of data. So, after a week, any previously erased logs would certainly be
    unrecoverable, once the space they were in had been overwritten
    a total of 63 times.

    I have a program that can start EE as a service and automatically run
    the disk scrub once a day, and then re-boot the server.



  15. #15
    Sebastian G.
    Guest

    Re: Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

    Chilly8 wrote:


    > Well, I don't keep the logs very long. I erase the logs and overwrite
    > them with Evidence Eliminator every couple days or so, so any tracks
    > of what they are doing are GONE,



    Most likely they're not.

    > becuase I use the DoD spec of 7
    > repetitions of destruction, plus three different kinds of destructs
    > each pass, for a total of 21 passes. If the DoD spec is used, not even
    > an electron microscope is going to recover the data.



    The best, overly aggressive stream generation scheme won't help anything
    against a horribly bad implementation. Evidence Eliminator is such one.

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