Wedding Planning Sites - NOT unethical

[Chilly8]

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I did turn one of my proxies back on for a few minutes to see what people
are using my proxy for, when surfing from work, and I did see
someone from Australia surfing various kinds of wedding-related
sites.

Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
One's wedding day is a very SPECIAL day, and I feel that the
corporate network that was obviously banning wedding sites
needs to RETHINK their usage policies. There is NOTHING
wrong OR unethical about suring wedding-related sites from
work. I am glad to know that I was helping someone plan
their wedding day without the boss knowing what they were
doing. They will see a lot of connections to my proxy, but
that person's boss, in Australia, will NEVER KNOW that
employee was surfing wedding sites form work, and I feel
good knowing that I was helping someone be able to plan
their special day, from work, without the boss being able
to know what he/she was up to.

[Leythos]

In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.

This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.

A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.

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[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
>> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
>> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
>
> This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
>
> A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.


A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
as you get your work done.

[Jason]

* Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com>:
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> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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>> In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>>> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
>>> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
>>> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
>>
>> This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
>>
>> A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.
>
>
> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
> as you get your work done.
>
>

Using company resources for non company things is likely against company
policy. What part of that are you having trouble with? I'd love to see
you actually own a company and have your staff doing what you suggest
instead of what you are paying them for. How quickly would you change
your tune?

Jason

[Leythos]

In article <fml3u8$5k0$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> > In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
> >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
> >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
> >
> > This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
> >
> > A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.
>
>
> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
> as you get your work done.

Again, it's not your call. In our customers networks we even block
access to News and most other sites by default from Managers.

The company makes the rules, you either follow them or get a different
company to work for.

In 90% of cases where people have access to non-company business sites,
those people will waste company time and other resources on personal
crap that costs the company money.

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[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fml3u8$5k0$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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>> > In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> >> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
>> >> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
>> >> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
>> >
>> > This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
>> >
>> > A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.
>>
>>
>> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
>> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
>> as you get your work done.
>
> Again, it's not your call. In our customers networks we even block
> access to News and most other sites by default from Managers.


Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
more then welcome to do so.

[Chilly8]

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"Jason" <Jason@invalid.address.lan> wrote in message
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>* Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com>:
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>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21f7c32810b96880989986@Adfree.usenet.com...
>>> In article <fmkgho$558$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>>>> Any employer that would ban sites for planning a WEDDING is
>>>> NUTS. There is NOTHING unethical about using the company
>>>> networks to surf wedding-related sites for planning a wedding.
>>>
>>> This is why you would be fired if you worked for someone.
>>>
>>> A company network is for COMPANY BUSINESS, NOT PERSONAL BUSINESS.
>>
>>
>> A wedding is a verry SPECIAL occasion, and I see NOTHING
>> wrong with surfing wedding-related sites from work, as long
>> as you get your work done.
>>
>>
>
> Using company resources for non company things is likely against company
> policy. What part of that are you having trouble with? I'd love to see
> you actually own a company and have your staff doing what you suggest
> instead of what you are paying them for. How quickly would you change
> your tune?

As long as they got their work done, I would not have a problem with
that, or listening to online radio. As long as you get your work done,
that is all that should matter.

[Leythos]

In article <fmludp$2k8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
> lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
> backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
> wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
> more then welcome to do so.

And that's why all of us consider you an unethical person.

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[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fmludp$2k8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
>> lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
>> backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
>> wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
>> more then welcome to do so.
>
> And that's why all of us consider you an unethical person.

Providing a public proxy is NOT unethical, and is LEGAL
in France, and in Mexico, where my servers are. As long
as what someone is doing in LEGAL in France, and in
Mexico, I cannot be charged with any crime for operating
a public proxy server. Because my servers are in France,
and Mexico, they are ONLY subject to FRENCH and
MEXICAN laws, and as long as what someone is
doing does not violate either French or Mexican laws,
I am in the clear.

[Leythos]

In article <fmm97m$4m8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> > In article <fmludp$2k8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> >> Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
> >> lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
> >> backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
> >> wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
> >> more then welcome to do so.
> >
> > And that's why all of us consider you an unethical person.
>
> Providing a public proxy is NOT unethical, and is LEGAL
> in France, and in Mexico, where my servers are. As long
> as what someone is doing in LEGAL in France, and in
> Mexico, I cannot be charged with any crime for operating
> a public proxy server. Because my servers are in France,
> and Mexico, they are ONLY subject to FRENCH and
> MEXICAN laws, and as long as what someone is
> doing does not violate either French or Mexican laws,
> I am in the clear.

You are not in the clean then YOU ADVISE PEOPLE THAT BREAKING COMPANY
POLICY IS PERMITTED, WHEN YOU ADVISE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN NOT BE
DETECTED OR MONITORED......

Your beliefs and statements are unethical, you tell people to violate
company policy all the time in these groups.

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Leythos
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[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fmm97m$4m8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21f85a41334a24e298998a@Adfree.usenet.com...
>> > In article <fmludp$2k8$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> >> Well, I don't care what people do on my proxy, as long as its
>> >> lawful in France and Mexico, where the main server, and
>> >> backup servers are, respectfively. If some "office drone"
>> >> wants to surf wedding sites through my proxy, they are
>> >> more then welcome to do so.
>> >
>> > And that's why all of us consider you an unethical person.
>>
>> Providing a public proxy is NOT unethical, and is LEGAL
>> in France, and in Mexico, where my servers are. As long
>> as what someone is doing in LEGAL in France, and in
>> Mexico, I cannot be charged with any crime for operating
>> a public proxy server. Because my servers are in France,
>> and Mexico, they are ONLY subject to FRENCH and
>> MEXICAN laws, and as long as what someone is
>> doing does not violate either French or Mexican laws,
>> I am in the clear.
>
> You are not in the clean then YOU ADVISE PEOPLE THAT BREAKING COMPANY
> POLICY IS PERMITTED, WHEN YOU ADVISE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN NOT BE
> DETECTED OR MONITORED......
>
> Your beliefs and statements are unethical, you tell people to violate
> company policy all the time in these groups.

I do it far more in the figure skating message boards. I often go into
Figure Skating Universe or GoldenSkate, and tell people how to
circumvent filtering system to access FSU or GS from work. Since
NEITHER business (yes, both boards are run as a for-profit business)
is based in the United States, ANY postings sent to either board is
NOT SUBJECT to ANY United States law. So any posts I make
on EITHER site telling people how to circumvent company filtering
systems to get onto the board from work is NOT SUBJECT to
ANY laws in the United States, becuase both businesses are
based OUTSIDE the United States. Posts made to FSU, for
example, are ONLY subject to BRITISH laws, because the
business is based in BRITAIN. As such, the owners of
Figure Skating Universe CANNOT BE COMPELLED to
comply with ANY United States laws, and neither can
anyone who reads from or posts to, the site.

[Flash Gordon]

Chilly8 wrote, On 17/01/08 21:49:
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> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

<snip>

>> Your beliefs and statements are unethical, you tell people to violate
>> company policy all the time in these groups.

<snip>

> is based in the United States, ANY postings sent to either board is
> NOT SUBJECT to ANY United States law. So any posts I make

<snip>

Just because something is legal does not mean it is ethical. You keep
failing to address the point that adding to the costs of a business that
is against the companies rules, or advising something which will add to
the costs, is NOT ethical. Legality is a separate issue.
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[Chilly8]

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"Flash Gordon" <spam@flash-gordon.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote, On 17/01/08 21:49:
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>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Your beliefs and statements are unethical, you tell people to violate
>>> company policy all the time in these groups.
>
> <snip>
>
>> is based in the United States, ANY postings sent to either board is
>> NOT SUBJECT to ANY United States law. So any posts I make
>
> <snip>
>
> Just because something is legal does not mean it is ethical. You keep
> failing to address the point that adding to the costs of a business that
> is against the companies rules, or advising something which will add to
> the costs, is NOT ethical. Legality is a separate issue.

Well, last October, someone from a high school, in New York,
was using my proxy to listen to a figure skating event we cover.
That is becuase one student in the school was a entrant in that
competition, and her school-mates were using my proxy, to
circumvent the school filters, so that could listen as their
school-mate strutted her stuff at that particular skating
competition. I got some E-mail from one of them praising
me for giving them the ability to circumvent the school's firewall
and follow that competition their school-mate was competing
in. Since they were merely following the competition their
school-mate was in, I see NOTHING wrong with providing
the means to get around the school filtering system, and tune
in to our broadcast of that event.

[Sebastian G.]

Chilly8 wrote:

> I see NOTHING wrong with providing the means to get around

> the school filtering system

You see nothing wrong with advertising people to drive themselves into
serious trouble? Now it's obvious that you are an idiot.

[Chilly8]

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"Sebastian G." <seppi@seppig.de> wrote in message
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> Chilly8 wrote:
>
>> I see NOTHING wrong with providing the means to get around
>
> > the school filtering system
>
> You see nothing wrong with advertising people to drive themselves into
> serious trouble? Now it's obvious that you are an idiot.

But these were just kids. Circumventing the school's filtering system
to listen as their school-mate performed at this particular figure
skating event was certainly NOT something that was going to
haunt them for the rest of their lives. They were NOT breaking
any New York laws by using my proxy to tune in to the event.

No future employer is going to care much about something
they did in high school, when they were teenagers.

[Leythos]

In article <fmonun$755$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> and her school-mates were using my proxy, to
> circumvent the school filters,

See, you support unethical activity, you help people circumvent rules
put in place to protect the networks and resources. You are unethical.

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[Leythos]

In article <fmr298$fhn$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> They were NOT breaking
> any New York laws by using my proxy to tune in to the event.

Actually, many school systems have policy, signed by parents and kids,
that permit the school to permanently disable their computer accounts
for such violations.

You are unethical.

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Leythos
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drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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[Jason]

* Chilly8 <chilly8@hotmail.com>:
> But these were just kids. Circumventing the school's filtering system
> to listen as their school-mate performed at this particular figure
> skating event was certainly NOT something that was going to
> haunt them for the rest of their lives. They were NOT breaking
> any New York laws by using my proxy to tune in to the event.
>
> No future employer is going to care much about something
> they did in high school, when they were teenagers.
>
>

Chilly is english not your native language? I figure that has to be the
reason why you can't grasp some basic simple facts.

Jason

[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fmr298$fhn$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> They were NOT breaking
>> any New York laws by using my proxy to tune in to the event.
>
> Actually, many school systems have policy, signed by parents and kids,
> that permit the school to permanently disable their computer accounts
> for such violations.
>
> You are unethical.

Another good example, some years ago, was one girl who was a
student at Bob Jones University. She told me that her parents
did not agree with some parts of the Internet usage policy, so
they set up an encrypted link on the parents broadband link at
home. When she went to surf the Net, she would make an
encrypted connection to her parents computer, and then
surf the net from there. There is no POSSIBLE way the
admins at Bob Jones University could EVER figure out
what she was up to. They would know she was making
an encrypted connection to her parents computer, but
would never know where she was going beyond her
parents computer. Bascially, her parents gave her a
private link to circumvent the University's filtering
system, and in the four years she was there, the
university never got wise to what she was doing.

[Chilly8]

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fmonun$755$1@aioe.org>, chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> and her school-mates were using my proxy, to
>> circumvent the school filters,
>
> See, you support unethical activity, you help people circumvent rules
> put in place to protect the networks and resources. You are unethical.


To tune in, as their school-mate was competing at this skating
event, to me, shows school spirit, and is NOT unethical.