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    Now bout the P4 i saw a few test happening with that thing and was pretyt impressive. I wanna get 1 but i heard to wait for a while cause there is gonna be a second series of socket P4's.

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    If you're dumb enuff to get a P4.... then I guess you're dumb enuff to get a P4......

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    Rambus is dead, P4 has crappy benches 2 words: DDR t-birds. Thats it

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    Heres a roadmap of things to come from AMD:





    These are almost a month old, and yes I did get them from HardOCP, but I bet most ppl never saw them.

    Can't wait til the Palomino and Morgan chips come out!! AMD is gonna kick Intel's ass so hard they'll be shi.tting blood for a year.

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    The AMD Atlon (Palmonia)looks great. Whats your opinion on it???

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    Palomino will be the King of the hill when it comes out cuz it'll probably be using 100% isotopically pure silcon which lowers CPU temp by 35C!! Add DDR ram, 133Mhz FSB, + copper interconnects and core optimizations and the P4 is dead

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    Sorry to rain on your parade but every site that has reviewed the P4 see great potential. Why not go to hothardware, anandtech, or firingsquad ( forget tomshardware, he's too biased to be journalistically credible ).

    I hate to tell you, but P4 has dual RAMBUS channel that doubles the 1.6GB/s bandwidth of PC800 RDRAM to 3.2GB/s vs. DDR SDRAM 266's 2.1GB/s. Oh and RDRAM is currently cheaper than DDR SDRAM. You can get PC800 RDRAM for $169 vs. the +$210 price tag of current sticks of 128megs of DDR 266.

    And did you know that it is a known fact that AMD processors are optimized specifically for benchmark performance? I'll bet you didn't. But the bottom line is that both get the job done, so quit yer pissin an' moanin. Just because you own an AMD product doesn't mean you have to act like one of the company's PR goons.

    And if you think Intel is going under think again. Us hardware freaks are a niche in the market ( although we are the niche that generaly has the high end stuff aimed at us first, we are nothing compared to the business market. ( When's the last time you saw an office with AMD machines or running AMD powered servers? )

    I will admit, buying P4 as is right now isn't smart. It isnt the end of the world if you do, as I have never had a mobo that hasnt needed replacing when one of my CPUs got too old, although I never buy the celeron just to wait for the flagship processors to drop in price ( whats the point ) P4 in a few months will be awesome, and I cant wait to see where Intel goes with it, I hope they stick by RDRAM because I do own an i820 and it is the best pc i have ever used hands down.

    Im sure the palomino will scream, and the AMD760 chipset is the leader in DDR right now, so I have to give props to AMD, but Intel is far from dead, and P4 has great potential. Think about it for a sec. AMD revised Athlon after the release of the first core, why cant Intel do the same? ( To answer that they probably will ).

    Oh and if you think AMD makes processors cost less because they love you- the consumer, then you are probably the type of person that believes every bit of print news and takes every televised news broadcast as the final word on an issue.

    AMD's low prices are due to lower demand than Intel. And if you think about it, AMD has lower production capacity than Intel and they still are making surplus chips and not even coming close to attaining equilibrium between supply and demand. On the other hand, Intel has massive chip output capacity and still has hard times meeting their huge demand for processors, hence the higher price tag.

    If the situation were reversed you can bet your ass AMD would be pinching you for every penny.

    [This message has been edited by Gyga-Bite (edited 12-19-2000).]

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    Way to tell them all off Gyga-Bite.

    TigerUpperCut and others: How are you gentlemen basing your opinions? Have you actually used a P4 rig and personally done benchmarks, or are you using online benchmarks/editorials as your main/only criteria?

    Also, take into consideration that the P4 is aimed at servers and highend workstations--NOT consumer desktops.

    TigerUpperCut, if I recall correctly from your previous posts, you don't even own an AMD system, yet you urge advice seeking posters to go w/AMD to avoid getting shafted, and to avoid the hype. Try a different approach--use your extensive knowledge to showcase both sides, then help the poster decide which route best fits his scenario.

    Just some thoughts...



    [This message has been edited by glc1 (edited 12-19-2000).]

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    Originally posted by glc1:
    Way to tell them all off Gyga-Bite.

    TigerUpperCut and others: How are you gentlemen basing your opinions? Have you actually used a P4 rig and personally done benchmarks, or are you using online benchmarks/editorials as your main/only criteria?

    Well, I have used and abused a p4 1400 and let me tell you. It is freakin sooooo much sweeter than the t-bird 1200 (which I have also had the pleasure of playing with). Maybe its the 200 more mhz but I doooont think so. I think with the p4, the processor isn't going to be the single focus for machine performance, the performance of the memory it uses is SPECTACULAR! The memory advantages of the p4 architecture(sp) are going to outweigh the seemingly underpowered 1400 mhz it posts. remember the first time you cranked the memory from 3way interleave to 4 way and then set it from cas 333 to cas 222? see any difference in system performance? Its gonna be the same thing with the p4 only tenfold. You'll see. When your local shop has one on display, don't listen to the sales guy, ask him to fire up a 3D app and shuddup. if they have a nice vid card and settings right, you will be amazed!!


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    I'm glad I could come in and save the day before these knuckle heads swayed anymore newbies with incomplete information. I have been on hothardware for quite some time and we had a problem with people bashing Intel with absolutely no right or proof, some of these people were still on K6-2's and they were saying Athlon beat the hell outta anything Intel could produce. AND THEY WERE USING K6-2's!!!!!!! LOL.

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    heh read toms hardware. i'm a fan of both companies, right now the p4 is performing just bairly above the athlon t-bird, but this is completely unoptimized. if the p4 is optimized, it outshines the current amd chip--the amd is a better value as of now tho.. as far as what's better?? wait'll the k8 hammer comes out and then compare.. the p4 and athlon are two different generations. p3 and athlon are meant to compete.. heh. i would HOPE that intel's latest is faster than the older athlon heh.

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    I am too biased. I have used a P4 and in all truth, they are damn fast. I am sure that some of the benches that aren't so good will be fixed w/ later releases of the processor. glc, just curious, what is the system that you use?

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    Originally posted by freckmoto:
    glc, just curious, what is the system that you use?
    My Box:
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    [This message has been edited by glc1 (edited 12-19-2000).]

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    And that poll is supposed to mean? What exactly grandpa?

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    That the majority of people feel that AMD is going to take the Lead in Chip Technology now.

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    1) Yes RDRAM is faster with the P4, and yes DDR IS more expensive right now, BUT do you remember how much RDRAM costs when it was 1st released?!? Like 400bux for 128MB or somethin, DDR is only 200bux and will drop to SDRAM-like prices cuz it only costs 5-10% more to make DDR RAM than normal SD.

    2) Thats a lot of bullsh.it talking bout how AMD cpus are optimized for benchmarks. Wheres your proof? And no, I don't own an AMD system you *******

    3) No, I don't think AMD makez CPU prices low just cuz they love consumers, but they're competing with Intel. You know why theres such a high demand for Intel chips? Cuz almost all newbies believe Intel is supierior so they buy Intel all the time. Intel spends millionz in advertising while I haven't even seen a single AMD commercial before.

    Like I said before, the P4 is designed for marketing, its designed so that they can pump up the Mhz rating and attract more newbies thinking that the more Mhz, the faster. In doing so, they sacraficed raw preformance to keep the chip from melting.

    I'll agree that the P4 has the upper hand in terms of Memory bandwidth, but the gap will close once DDR mobos, and DDR RAM reach maturity, while RDRAM doesn't have much tweaking left cuz its been out since i820.

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    Originally posted by :
    You know why theres such a high demand for Intel chips? Cuz almost all newbies believe Intel is supierior so they buy Intel all the time.
    I guess all businesses are "newbies" then, huh?

    Originally posted by TigerUpperCut:
    Like I said before, the P4 is designed for marketing
    In this day and age, everything is designed for marketing, especially of late/highend technology.

    Originally posted by TigerUpperCut:
    And no, I don't own an AMD system you *******
    I think we all know who the dumb ass is. Just look how sophisticated your posts are and how you conduct yourself...LOL



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    glc1, what do you have against me? Just cuz I like AMD and you like Intel.

    Hey, i'm a teenager so I can act like 1, so fu.ck you

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    Originally posted by TigerUpperCut:
    glc1, what do you have against me?
    Nothing, until the 'fu.ck you' and '...you *******' comments. You sure have a way w/words.

    Originally posted by :
    Just cuz I like AMD and you like Intel.
    That couldn't be farther from the truth. The reason why I currently have all Intel systems -- Celerons b/c I don't want to spend the money on a CuMine P3 and compatible motherboard -- is b/c I'm waiting for a solid motherboard chip to be released by AMD. The 760 will hopefully be that chip. If it is, I'll be buying a highend T'bird and 760 mainboard soon.

    Originally posted by :
    Hey, i'm a teenager so I can act like 1, so fu.ck you
    Hm, I don't ever remember acting like this when I was a teen.


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