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Thread: Attention Canadians...need your input on heath care in Canada

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    Attention Canadians...need your input on heath care in Canada

    My sister sent this to me. It was a forwarded email. Is this true about Canadian health care? I know you guys pay high taxes, but...


    "This was sent from Canada to a friend in the
    States.


    I saw on the news up
    here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care
    plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also
    heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in
    Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives
    with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts
    about this great medical plan that we have in
    Canada.


    First of all:




    1) The health care plan in Canada is
    not free. We pay a premium every month of $96. for Shirley and I to
    be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how
    much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am
    personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to < /STRONG>
    taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount
    goes directly to health care our #1 expense.




    2) I would not classify what we have
    as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis
    system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell
    you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the
    challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting
    lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the
    road.




    3) Rather than fix what is
    wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs.
    Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing the pain and
    why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to
    move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government
    re-imbursement

    4) Many Canadians do not have a
    family Doctor.


    5) Don't require emergency treatment
    as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for
    treatment.


    6) Shirley's dad cut his hand
    on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a
    splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is
    not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60. for each visit for
    him to check it out each week.

    7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed
    with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list . Died before he
    could get treatment.

    8) Government allots so many
    operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless
    you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the
    government then money suddenly appears.

    9)The Government takes great pride in
    telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care
    but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing
    money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at
    finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now
    a us er fee.


    10) A friend needs an
    operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will
    not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all
    these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk
    that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they
    are a drain o n the health care system. Let me see now, what we want
    in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That
    should reduce our health care costs.

    11) Forget getting a second opinion,
    what you see is what you get.

    12) I can spend what money I have
    left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else
    that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on
    getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue.
    I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can
    get looke d at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world
    can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get
    healthy.

    13) Oh did I mention that immigrants
    are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a
    dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

    14) Oh yeh we now give free needles
    to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly
    druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But
    people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for
    their needles because it is not covered but the health care
    system.

    I send this out not looking for
    sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more
    and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be
    pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth
    about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed
    questions to ask when broached with this subject.


    Step wisely and don't make the
    same mistakes we
    have."


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    Thanks Burke

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    Speaking from the medical side (My father is a doctor up here), we do tend to struggle in some ways. A lot of what has happened in Canada and would likely happen in the US is that funding wouldn't always be there to keep everything going. A large number of our hospitals in rural areas especially may have only 2 or 3 out of 7 operating rooms open, which adds to the wait times. Most simple surgeries have a wait time around 2-3 months, the national figures are artificially deflated because they use the major hospitals not the rural ones.

    I personally pay 44 dollars a month for my health care, which gets me basic coverage of all I need except elective surgeries. I think universal health care is a nice ideal, but the government will fail 99% of the time at making it truly equitable. So, while a lot of people will get access to mediocre health care, the truly cutting edge medicine is less common. Doctors in the states have access to equipment and procedures that we don't up here, primarily because of cost. CT Scans up here may be limited to one hospital in an entire health region, and more advanced equipment may be located only in the 5 or 6 major cities.

    It's a flawed system but I think in the end the ideal is good. Simply be aware that it may turn out a lot worse for your cancer stricken father here than in the states, we don't have nearly the same level of quick and extraordinary intervention.

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    Second Most EVIL YARDofSTUF's Avatar
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    Forwarded Emails are either false or only require common sense to figure out.

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    Thats a great email, too bad its a lie.
    Let me see......
    One son with congenital heart disease, 4 closed heart and 3 open heart surgeries plus all the other chit done for 20 years.
    Step daughter with Luekimia, bone marrow transplant, kemo and all the other chit done
    Wife, MS, the chit goes on and on

    And good golly, they are all alive and we are not bankrupt, nor are we rich...Wonder how that happened?

    Alas, our system is not perfect, needs alot of fixin to make it better, but it ain't all that bad either

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    Just in case you're interested, here's how it works in Germany and the Netherlands (it's pretty much the same, except for some details).

    First of all, there are two major types of insurances, legal and private. Legal are for those with low incomes and mandatory, covering pretty much all basic health care needs, while the private insurances cost more, but also cover more.

    For example, single bed rooms in hospitals are only covered by the private insurances, as legal insurance patient you'll have to share your room with 1-3 other patients. Some private insurances also cover "Chefarztbehandlung", which I guess would translate into something like chief physician treatment - meaning you get treated by the department head in the hospital - not just a doctor, but a senior one.

    So in effect you have the legal insurance as minimum for everyone, which will keep you alive in all cases, but will not cover some convenience or cosmetic issues. On top of that, those who want to pay more get more, and private insurance companies offer all kinds of different packages.

    For basic coverage for someone like me, a normal employee earning a decent living, the monthly premium is around € 250, of which the employer pays half by law, so € 125 for me.

    To be honest, looking at my family... there's no reason on Earth not to love it. My brother had a brain tumor, and was treated extensively for 2 1/2 years before he passed away, and the sum of all examinations, treatments, surgeries, chemo therapy, hospital stays, drugs, etc. would've easily ruined our family merely 2 months into the issue.

    My brother lost the fight eventually, but we can safely assume the doctors did everything in their power and that he got the best possible treatment, reasonable and beyond - while we were not exactly a rich family. We didn't have to pay for it on our own, nor rediculously high insurance premiums.

    As for smokers, I pay an extra premium for that, and that's that. I will not be denied any treatment because of it. If I stop, my premium is reduced to normal after two years of staying off the cigs. Fair enough, I'd say.

    When I had my thrombosis and pulmonary embolism, I didn't have to pay a single cent out of my pocket to cover it at that moment. See, I don't mind the higher taxes and the monthly premium for the insurance at all, because I know I would have been either unhealthy or piss poor without it all my life. Of course I hope I won't need it in the future, and even if I go on another 40-50 year of only paying the premium but not needing it, I'll still be glad about it.

    People over here just cannot imagine why the US as the richest nation on earth has the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality rate of all industrialized nations. There must be a way for you guys to be able to afford it in a reasonable way. If it works well for every other industrialized nation, why the hell shouldn't it work for you?

    "We couldn't treat this kid because his parents didn't have any money, so he died" is something totally inacceptable over here - it just doesn't happen.

    Now the grass isn't all green here either, of course, our systems do have their flaws. When I had my thrombosis/pulmonary embolism, it didn't have to come that far, because my docters at first didn't listen to me when I told them what I suspected it was (and I happened to be 100% dead on... in both parts of the issue) and had sent me home at first. It didn't kill me, but it possibly could have. That's in the NL though, my experiences from Germany were much better in that regard - the diagnosis was usually more often on target. That all may be down to the individual docs though and doesn't have to be a general issue.

    [stab]you know, love thy neighbor and all...[/stab]
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