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    Is this equation correct?

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    Is this equation correct?

    windows xp + firewall + antivirus + limited account -> no spyware, viruses and intrusions.

    Assumption: all software (windows xp, firewall, antivirus) is up to date
    Last edited by goosebalance; 07-17-05 at 10:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52
    No it's not correct.

    Then correct it.

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    Elite Member Norm's Avatar
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    First off, it's not an equation.

    http://www.aaamath.com/B/equ725x2.htm

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    That is 2 signs, one is 'minus', the other is 'greater than'

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    i got 55 for the answer
    Comptia a+ n+

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    windows xp + firewall + antivirus + antispyware -> no spyware, viruses or intrusions

    means if u are using limited user account on windows xp with firewall and antivirus u will never get any spyware, virus or intrusion, provided all ur software mentioned above is up to date.

    So if u feel we must have antispyware software as well for having such a secure system then u can write it as

    windows xp + firewall + antivirus + antispyware -> no spyware, viruses or intrusions

    Whatever u add or subtract on LHS, it must result in a windows system which will never get infected with any kind of spyware, viruses or intrusions.

    No advance security settings.

    Any person here using limited user account on windows xp with firewall and antivirus (up to date) and got infected with any kind of spyware, viruses or intrusions?

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    First of all.... what's your point? Malware has many avenues to infect your pc whether you are an admin or limited account, there are many other settings to "lock down" a pc besides having a firewall and av program.


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    I couldnt count to 55, so all I got was 34 1/2.
    nothing like my Virtual Spitfire Mk IXc and a few wingmen to cover my 6 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebalance
    windows xp + firewall + antivirus + antispyware -> no spyware, viruses or intrusions

    means if u are using limited user account on windows xp with firewall and antivirus u will never get any spyware, virus or intrusion, provided all ur software mentioned above is up to date.

    So if u feel we must have antispyware software as well for having such a secure system then u can write it as

    windows xp + firewall + antivirus + antispyware -> no spyware, viruses or intrusions

    Whatever u add or subtract on LHS, it must result in a windows system which will never get infected with any kind of spyware, viruses or intrusions.

    No advance security settings.

    Any person here using limited user account on windows xp with firewall and antivirus (up to date) and got infected with any kind of spyware, viruses or intrusions?
    Swtich to mac they can still get infected however the odds are much much much much lower then a pc since it's diffrent code and also most viruses are targeted to pc since bill gates has his eye on every comptuer in the world
    Comptia a+ n+

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52
    there are many other settings to "lock down" a pc besides having a firewall and av program.
    This is very basic security for windows xp pro, if u can do additional security settings (such as disabling unnecessary services) then it will definitely increase ur security.

    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52
    Malware has many avenues to infect your pc whether you are an admin or limited account
    Is it possible to modify, delete or install any file in "windows" and "program files" directory using limited user account on windows xp pro with NTFS?
    ur system can get infected with malware only if u have permission to read, write and modify files in "windows" and "program files" directories.

    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52
    what's your point
    Use limited account with up to date antivirus and firewall on xp pro and prevent malware infection.
    Last edited by goosebalance; 07-18-05 at 01:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebalance
    Is it possible to modify, delete or install any file in "windows" and "program files" directory using limited user account on windows xp pro with NTFS?

    ur system can get infected with malware only if u have permission to read, write and modify files in "windows" and "program files" directories.
    I can get permission to do that, as a programmer with limited experience, in a matter of seconds with a well-written program.

    Trust us - there is no perfect security. Ever.

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    There are a few problems with this equation. Sure it might be all that is needed for a fairly smart computer user, but you haven't thrown "stupidity" into your equation. There is always the possibility for human error, even if said human is pretty intellegent.

    Also, the AV program, the OS, and the spyware programs all have to be kept up to date. Even if they are updated daily, there IS a chance that a new bug will find it's way to the PC before the next update is written to get rid of it.

    No matter what you do a system connected to a network is never 100% safe.

    If there was a fool proof method to securing a system, it would already be out and we wouldn't have a security forum. The problem with your logic is the use of terms like "never" and "always" etc. Those steps are great and "should" be enough to avoid most problems but try not to deal with absolutes on a topic such as this.

    Both of the below are accurate:

    AV + AS + Firewall + Updated OS + Limited account == Great!
    AV + AS + Firewall + Updated OS + Limited account != 100% secure
    Simply run adaware, spybot, ZoneAlarm, HijackThis, AVG, update windows daily, have a router, don't open e-mail, turn off action scripting, don't use P2P networks, don't violate EULAs, and wear a condom to get Windows secured.

    People say Linux is alot of work!

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    I agree with you, there is no 100 % security possible so better not to deal with absolutes on such topic. Thanks for reply to all.

    I would like to write the above equation as follows

    (Up To Date)(AV + AS + Firewall + OS) + Limited account == Great

    I think this is the easiest way to keep most malware out.

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    You forgot one thing though. Nuke IE. Use Firefox browser.

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