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    Cool The Queen is Bored, Sir Elton John Gets Bored Too!

    Hi to all

    Good for Them. Perhaps their high level exposure will alert the Commoners of the World (Us) to follow suit.
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    The Sunday Times - Britain
    Lois Rogers, Social Affairs Editor
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    THE Queen is planning to create an underground network to extract heat from the earth’s natural warmth and cut energy bills at Buckingham Palace.

    She has inspired a fashion among the super-rich for drilling boreholes at their properties as the latest "green" status symbol.

    Sir Elton John, the pop star, Sir Richard Branson, the entrepreneur, and Paul Allen, the billionaire co-founder of Microsoft, have followed suit. Other high-profile advocates include George Davies, the high street fashion guru, and Paul Lister, son of the founder of the MFI furniture empire and owner of a vast Highlands nature reserve.

    The Buckingham Palace system will provide secure, free and inexhaustible energy from beneath the surface of the four-acre lake at the heart of the walled gardens. One source said: "Now the Queen will no longer have to go around switching off the radiators."

    The network will pump heating to the state rooms, the formal area of the palace used by the monarch to host official banquets and investitures. It will save the public purse because all of the Queen’s utility bills at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle are paid by the taxpayer.

    Palace insiders said that a meeting next month between an installation firm and officials from the royal household was expected to approve the plans. It will cost approximately £50,000 to install the outdoor equipment. There will be a larger bill, possible of several hundreds of thousands of pounds, to make it compatible with the existing palace heating system. However, a palace spokesman said the scheme was still awaiting approval for funding.

    The Queen undertook a small trial in 2002, drilling 400ft into the chalk aquifer beneath the palace grounds to run an eco-friendly air- conditioning system for a new art gallery, built at Buckingham Palace to mark her golden jubilee.

    It is understood that the results have been so impressive that she is ready to take the bold step of using a new underground heating system to replace conventional sources for part of the palace.

    The venture is the most radical of a wide range of environmentally conscious schemes adopted by the royal household in recent years.

    The Queen’s state cars, for example, have been switched to liquefied petroleum gas, which emit low levels of toxic exhaust fumes. So too has the taxi used by the Duke of Edinburgh to drive anonymously around London.

    Last winter two hydroelectric schemes were announced for Balmoral and Windsor Castle. Power for Windsor will come from Romney Weir on the Thames, while Balmoral will probably become the first royal residence to be self-sufficient in energy. The scheme at the Balmoral estate will provide power for the house and up to 1,000 local homes.

    While wind farms have become the focus of a number of fierce planning battles, boreholes are regarded as an uncontroversial form of renewable energy.

    The government has a £10m fund to provide grants of £1,200 to householders to offset part of the average £5,000 cost of drilling for ground-source energy. Four months ago a further £2.5m was added to the fund to allow more people to benefit. The Queen will not be seeking any subsidy.

    Sir Elton John installed a borehole on his 39-acre estate in Windsor in November 2003. It helps to heat his mock-Edwardian mansion, which has garaging for 36 cars and a greenhouse that is home to dozens of orange trees.

    Allen, one of the world’s most eligible bachelors, is installing a borehole at a property being renovated in Belgrave Square, close to to Buckingham Palace. His staff instructed contractors not to discuss the scheme and not to reveal if a grant had been applied for.

    Chris Roberts, a spokesman for the Building Research Establishment, which administers the grant fund on behalf of the government, said the 420 people who had secured grants had all been "high net worth" individuals for whom the money would make little difference.

    Lister, who is planning to use boreholes for heating on the 23,000-acre £3.5m Alladale estate in Scotland that he bought two years ago, said he had no scruples about claiming a subsidy: "We will take full advantage of whatever government grants are available."

    Specialists in the burgeoning geothermal industry say that boreholes and other underground heat exchange systems are well within reach of middle-class householders. Patrick Sherriff, head of the residential division of Geothermal Heating Installations, the biggest company in the field, said it can cost as little as £5,000 to drill a borehole hundreds of feet into the water-bearing chalk escarpment of the Chiltern hills that runs under London.

    "There are people who have put them in tiny gaps between the pavement and their front door in London," he said.

    "Not only can you avoid paying Thames Water because you get limitless Evian-quality water from them, you can also reduce your heat and electricity bills by at least 70%. We are convinced this is the future."

    The system at the palace will work by circulating water, containing additives, through a closed loop of pipework running through the bed of the lake. The slow journey through the coils allows the liquid to absorb surrounding heat.

    This warmer water is then passed back up the loop of pipe and into the palace where it goes through a compressor which raises its temperature to 55-60C. The energy can then be used to heat the state apartments either with radiators, or by venting hot air through underfloor heating.

    The mix of water and additives can also be decompressed so that instead of generating heat it can provide cool air for air-conditioning systems in summer.

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    People wonder why the rich get richer...Like Allen, they are cheap as hell and will take advantage of any loopholes they can get their greedy hands on.

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    Hi Pie

    Are the rich not entitled to the same Tax breaks the rest of the people are? The thing is Pie that the rich have people in the know that inform them of these Tax incentives, such as Accountants, Lawyers etc.

    I see nothing wrong in that, why shouldn't they? I have seen many a Government Worker (high & low) use Information given them, use this Information to save themselves Dollars, when many times the general Public are not aware such incentives exist.

    The wealthy are also privy to Information by Professionals that the general populace are not. Architects, etc that they use or are familiar with.

    Blame this many times on the Government not doing an adequate enough job of getting out this Information to the Public and in many cases the Public too lazy to check on such things to start with. A little research many times will lead to knowledge one can use to their advantage.

    Me i say good for them. They save themselves money and do the Industry involved a favour by doing so. It helps employ people no matter the circumstance and may well help improve the product as well.

    In this one instance the Public benefits directly by the Queen trying to save dollars, that ultimately they pay for.

    Just my opinion for what its worth.

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    Drilling for heat is a touchy subject in these part, minir. It has to do with water rights. There are quite a few hot water sources in this state but only so much can be tapped. Even if it's replaced it's still a first come first serve basis and it seems pretty much based on a couple of things. Goverment, education and the wealthy. That pretty much excludes most people unless they have a water right on a hot water spring.

    Those who do take the initive and heat with thermal means are to be commended...non the less..

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    Quote Originally Posted by minir
    Hi Pie

    Are the rich not entitled to the same Tax breaks the rest of the people are? The thing is Pie that the rich have people in the know that inform them of these Tax incentives, such as Accountants, Lawyers etc.

    I see nothing wrong in that, why shouldn't they? I have seen many a Government Worker (high & low) use Information given them, use this Information to save themselves Dollars, when many times the general Public are not aware such incentives exist.

    The wealthy are also privy to Information by Professionals that the general populace are not. Architects, etc that they use or are familiar with.

    Blame this many times on the Government not doing an adequate enough job of getting out this Information to the Public and in many cases the Public too lazy to check on such things to start with. A little research many times will lead to knowledge one can use to their advantage.

    Me i say good for them. They save themselves money and do the Industry involved a favour by doing so. It helps employ people no matter the circumstance and may well help improve the product as well.

    In this one instance the Public benefits directly by the Queen trying to save dollars, that ultimately they pay for.

    Just my opinion for what its worth.

    Thanks Pie and do have a great day.
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    It just seems to be something for the wealthier people anyway. It doesn't sound like something that would be cheap to install. If someone as wealthy as Allen is going to benefit from it and get free Resources, I see no reason why someone thats already a Multi-Billionaire would need to get a break. Someone in a lower tax bracket would deserve more of a break then someone as wealthy as he is. When I hear the prices people are getting charged for a water well to be dug, I can only imagine what it would cost to get a Bore hole dug and then to get a plumber to come in and also to purchase the parts needed to convert the house over. I mean really...what would a Billionaire who probably has dinner for 1000 dollars a plate dinners need a 1200.00 credit for installing something that will give him free energy for?

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    pie, it's not exactly free. There are still things to deal with that do cost. Also you need to consider how long till your at the break even point. Still, wouldn't you say that if.......these folk are doing that that indeed, there are doing the rest of us a favor by not using non renewable resources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhill
    pie, it's not exactly free. There are still things to deal with that do cost. Also you need to consider how long till your at the break even point. Still, wouldn't you say that if.......these folk are doing that that indeed, there are doing the rest of us a favor by not using non renewable resources?
    Yeah especially since they probably have humongous houses that take up the same energy as 5 or 6 normal households. I'm sure that Sir Elton probably has his 38 cars housed in a totally climate controlled environment 24hrs a day. That can rack up a lot of juice.

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    Hi downhill & Pie


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    Water rights could be a problem i see. From the Article in England where they also charge for water, they can obtain pure water for nothing with this installation and avoid those fees as well. A win, win situation imho

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    A mans wealth really shouldn't preclude him from these types of incentives imho. People by and large obtain wealth from using their heads and not throwing away their resources. Many times the wealthy are the ones promoting this type of thing and the trickle down effect allows the average Joe to participate as well.

    You mention Elton's House. If not for some of the worlds wealthier people these same Mansions and Estates would be long gone by now and with it parts of the past and the history that goes with it. Heating some of these huge homes is an expense of massive proportions and by doing this they help lower costs and eliminate some pollution at the same time. It benefits us all imho.

    Same goes for his Car Collection. If not for Collectors, again much of the past would simply vanish over time. I for one am grateful to those that spend their money on such things. Jay Leno has a huge collection that he shares with the public and we get to see some truly wonderful machines from the past.

    The Governments in N. America should be following the example of many of our European Friends in promoting and further refining such technology rather that simply using our limited resources as they do now. If there are incentives to do so, so be it, as we all can benefit.

    Europeans are not so quick to move and sell homes as we are here and build with long term goals in mind. Implementing this Tech at build time only makes sense to do so and it can be included in the mortgages etc, so long term it works out well all round.

    Just my opinion

    Thanks Guys and have a grand day

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