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    Quote Originally Posted by 5MpstweakR
    Has anyone ever gotten win95 & tcpO to work perfectly - i doubt it

    but sure feels good @ close to 5Mbps

    maybe if I do the dun1.4 upgrade I'll hit 5Mbps
    I decided to give DrTCP a whirl and am now able to scale on & off and change rwin values as I wish (something I could not do with TCP optimizer).

    I like the combination.... (tcp optimizer & dr tcp) works 4me

    right now I am experimenting with multiples of mss

    to see how far I can go before I get intermittent packet retransmission or loss and to max out on ftp download speed target is 4.75Mbps or higher

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    did you see the custom setting on the bottom left of the optimizer you need to click that to use the menual changes such as sciling and rwin i think that's where the confusion was the whole time i could be wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by mccoffee
    did you see the custom setting on the bottom left of the optimizer you need to click that to use the menual changes such as sciling and rwin i think that's where the confusion was the whole time i could be wrong
    yup, it never worked as I said in post #3... your 1st instruct. step was to select custom settings, I followed your instructions to the letter except where grayed out options were not avail...

    Quote Originally Posted by 5MpstweakR
    using tcp optimizer when I change Rwin to 128480 it comes back and says it is not an acceptable value with min = 0 & max = 65535

    I can use 64240, but see below on TCP scaling - must be a quirk in win95 or maybe no registry entry for this?

    should I dump TCP optimizer for DrTCP? If so should I use version 021 or 014

    also Selective Acks, Max Dup Acks, & TCP 1323 windows scaling & timestamp are greyed out which probably explains why the Rwin is set so high if scaling is not available - maybe?
    good to know for others who may be lurking or traveling dwn this path that some systems like mine don't completely work correctly w/ TCP Opt...

    also good that both programs complement and make the tweaking easier...

    when I get done I will try and edit/summarize n my 1st post what I did... again for those with the initiative to search on win95 b4 posting like I did.

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    Please find a few links concerning on
    w95 upg, tweaking etc
    Windows 95/98/NT4/2000/ME/XP/2003 + DOS 7.xx/8.00 ęTricks + Secrets Files http://www.mdgx.com/95.htm
    Windows 95/98 http://www.windowsitpro.com/Departme...D=812&PubID=16
    Optimizing.net >>> Optimizing Windows 95 Internet Connections http://www.optimizing.net/html/
    Dial-Up Networking 1.3 Upgrade http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/dunupg13.htm
    Dial-Up Networking 1.3 / 1.4 Upgrade (updated Dec. 9, 2001)


    IMVHO in yours case problem is in w95
    but also in experiments methodology
    so please explain yours actual
    w95; patches; tweaks & settings
    & hdw

    BTW TCP Optimizer is 'ALL in one prg'
    so it [Registry] tab can be used
    in this case instead of regedit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrzej
    Please find a few links concerning on
    w95 upg, tweaking etc

    IMVHO in yours case problem is in w95
    but also in experiments methodology
    so please explain yours actual
    w95; patches; tweaks & settings
    & hdw

    BTW TCP Optimizer is 'ALL in one prg'
    so it [Registry] tab can be used
    in this case instead of regedit.
    Gr8 links thnks. Dun1.3-->1.4 confirmed my findings of not needing the upgrade since I already had 1.3 if not concerned w/ ptp (vpn) or 128 bit...

    My opinion... what I experienced appears to be a software compatability issue w/ my win95 & TCP Optimizer...

    the proof is DrTCP was able to do what TCP Optimizer could not which was to allow me to change Rwin & scaling option.

    this is not a rant, or a criticism... it is simply a fact

    as I said I like both programs... they each offer me something different...

    personal pref. to use regedit rather than a GUI interface under certain circumstances

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    fortunately for you
    last week clean w95B was installed by me for my brother
    (for prg taking care on log of his CB radio)
    so if you really need
    I can also add appropriate upg & patches
    to check 'yours' problems with TCP/IP in w95

    OTOH I'm afraid of that we can still stay in own opinions
    So again, if you really need
    please follow my advice and explain yours w95 hdw & sfw details
    In one of my above post you can find link & method
    how to use actual Belarc Advisor for mentioned propose.

    :2cool: of mentioned thread
    phrase ... You get my "patience of the year" award ...
    in this case (but also in my lng)
    means 'a mule' hehehe

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    If you really like Windows 95.. Try to find the Win95C version..

    Kind of hard to find on CD-Rom now a days..

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    looking like my rwin value will be 1 of the following:

    62780 (43 x mss)
    61320 (42 x mss)
    59860 (41 x mss)

    anything above 62780 causes packet retransmission or loss depending on how high I go. I just did a ping test at dslreports which points me to a slightly higher rwin @ 67160 (46 x mss), so I will try this again in my testing just for grins.

    dwnld speed using ftp site indicates I'm getting 90% or above of advertised so I'm satisfied

    over the weekend I'll find a small block of time to do my final testing

    looks good though
    Last edited by 5MpstweakR; 06-09-05 at 05:20 PM.

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    Shinobi yours ... Win95C version ...
    is never heard by me
    so I cannot follow yours advice hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5MpstweakR
    from post#23...

    good to know for others who may be lurking or traveling dwn this path that some systems like mine don't completely work correctly w/ TCP Optimizer version 2.0.1 ...

    also good that both programs complement and make the tweaking easier...

    when I get done I will try and edit/summarize n my 1st post what I did...
    Interesting path I took to get to my optimal Rwin value of 64240 on a 9 year old win 95 relic pc as follows:

    Before tweaking I started with an Rwin of 8760 the default setting for win95 not optimized for broadband.

    Max advertised speed per my ISP was 5 Mbps down.

    ethernet connection - Netgear

    Preliminary testing (b4 tweaking) showed my download speed to be between 970.4 Kbps to 1,150,400 bps down using UCSC network analysis and FTP SPEED TESTS.

    After my tweaking (outlined below) RWin optimized & page load tweak my numbers are consistently in the 4.75 to 4.8 Mbps range with page load times 50 to 75% faster.

    Summary of what I did for a 9 year old pc on win95:

    *** before I did anything I backed up my registry ***

    1) I used TCP Optimizer (TCPO) optimal settings and instructions here:

    http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=73799

    also see additional tweaks: FASTER WEB PAGE LOADING from above link

    more info of similar sort here: http://www.testmy.net/forum/t-2097

    2) Optimal settings by TCPO put my Rwin at 513920 - scaling on way to high

    + installed the vtcp.386 patch & added registry keys to Control RFC 1323 since my version of Win95 did not have this key

    + I tried changing RWIN using TCPO to no avail - must be a quirk with my system and this software <--- as corroborated & reported by Andrzej here:
    http://forums.speedguide.net/showpos...6&postcount=10

    + Using DRTCP I was able to change RWin and scaling at will.

    real good info on DRTCP here: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/578

    The above link explains RWin concept and what is and what is not tweakable by OS - great milk shake analogy to explain RWin see bottom of this post for excerpt.

    + both programs (TCPO & DRTCP) offered very useful optimization, so if you run into this same issue where TCPO will not allow you to change your RWin, I suggest you start with TCPO using optimal settings and then use DRTCP for final tuning of RWin as I did.

    3) I experimented with multiples of my mss (you can get your mss using the TCP/IP Analyzer online test) keeping in mind the milk shake analogy until I was optimized - finding that 44 times mss for me was best or 64240

    additional info:

    speed tests which were helpful to me:

    FTP SPEED TESTS (mentioned in links above)
    SPEAKEASY SPEED TESTS (mentioned in links above)
    speed tests from this http://www.dslreports.com/stest/0

    other useful tests:

    Tweaks test from this http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks page.
    Line Quality test from http://www.dslreports.com/testme (follow instructions for becoming pingable for this test - helpful for determining packet loss at your location)

    The Bottom line is - find the RWin which makes you fast but not so fast as to create packet loss at your location.

    ===========================

    RWin and Milkshake analogy from http://www.dslreports.com/faq/578

    Default RWIN for broadband, is like having a tiny straw in a thick milk shake, only so much can get through the straw (line), so fast. By putting a larger straw (higher RWIN) in that same thick shake, you allow more shake (data) to come through faster, to a point that is. After which, there is no more improvement, and shake (data) can start spilling all over (packet loss). So the key is, to find an RWIN that fits your line just right.

    HIH
    Last edited by 5MpstweakR; 06-19-05 at 07:37 PM.

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    agree
    Optimizer 2.01 (was not checked with previous versions)
    cannot see Windows 95 B (OSR2) (build 4.0.1111)
    registry settings for :
    System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP\Tcp1323Opts
    even if mentioned was added manually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrzej
    agree
    Optimizer 2.01 (was not checked with previous versions)
    cannot see Windows 95 B (OSR2) (build 4.0.1111)
    registry settings for :
    System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP\Tcp1323Opts
    even if mentioned was added manually

    Thanks for corroborating & reporting as aberration for TCP Opt version 2.0.1

    http://forums.speedguide.net/showpos...6&postcount=10


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    RE : what can do for surfing speed up ?

    5MpstweakR yours thread was read again

    so if someone needs more experiments on old & weak PC

    Hdw recommended upgs :
    BIOS latest
    CPU up to 500MHz (but only double can be worth the money)
    RAM up 512 MB (but only double can be worth the money & size problems)
    HDD new one, modern, high RPM, huge cache buffer (size problems)
    NIC still so similar (Ethernet so USB is not recommended)
    Modem as above still so similar
    Router (recommended hdw client : ICS; VPN & PPPoE or PPPoA)

    OS choice :
    IMO still only w2k & SE are worth attentions
    but w95 options are as follow :
    several v.important OS's paches
    Windows 95 OSR2.5 means Version C
    nano95

    OS settings :
    Clean up & Defrag (OS & HDD)
    Memory management prgs (several for RAM, but only one Cacheman)
    Virtual Memory settings
    Reduction of background activity (prg, services, vir, spy etc)

    Web Agents, Accelerators (prgs for surfing speed up) :
    Naviscope v 8.7
    since 2001 immortal prg sfw proxy & much more http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-11649.html dw, need install

    "No! Flash" v2.2
    Block multimedia ads (pop-up, animated, flash etc.), Spyware (browser Parasites, hijackers etc.)
    http://www.bbshare.com/noflash/download/noflash2.zip zipped file, 137K, need install

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