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  1. #101
    The_Sandman
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    martialcomp:
    Couldn't of put it better myself. Thank You

    iBringPain:
    Do your research before you post. Read martialcomp last statements for my reply.
    No violent is not in my neighood as you put it(check your spelling) I don't recall saying he was. If you don't care about your neighbor thats your problem(god am I glad I don't have you as my neighbor)I'm sure many of us feel differently. I for one have a regard for those around me because I know that what I do will affect others. Yes, there are more important things to think about in my day but that doesn't mean I won't think about when I'm online and getting 30K downloads or worse.

    mobius0:
    Don't know if you've noticed but many of us rarely get what we paid for in regards to service from RR. Here's an example last year in Jaxsonville they had backbone problems which did not get fixed until 5 months later, and know in my area they have the same damn problem and i'll be damned if I pay them for not fixing a problem. Like clover many of us are limited in choice to what High speed provider we get. I am limited to RR only, so even If I wanted to I can't switch. Yes, I could DSL and pay more for something slower( I am far away from the Company). RR does advertise here 100 times faster than 56k.

    Bozzman:
    Not everyone wants the logs so they can uncap their modem, while the majority does there are some that are just curious as to what command exactly have this affect and how do they bypass the cables.
    Yes I'm sure many 15yr old with a cable modem want those logs so they can get warez and porn faster. I for one don't have a motorola modem so those logs wouldn't allow me to uncap mine. even if they did I wouldn't because i would be sucking up bandwith from my neighbors and I know how pissed off i get when I get slow downloads especially with this backbone problem RR is having.


    [This message has been edited by The_Sandman (edited 07-09-2000).]

  2. #102
    Amatuer
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    Hi Violent:
    Can I view the loga too?
    since everyone want them....

    Mtsung3@yahoo.com

    Thanks a lot!

  3. #103
    Kip Patterson
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    To Clbe:

    RR is not a DOCSIS system throughout. Many locations use the Motorola Cybersurfr, which is not a DOCSIS modem.
    The manuals for the Motorola system are on line on the Motorola site. It caps at the headend. See: http://www.motorola.com/MIMS/Multimedia/manuals/079.pdf
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  4. #104
    kerplunk
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    Hi

  5. #105
    kerplunk
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    I just wanted to be the 100th person to post

    MUHAHAHHAA

  6. #106
    Violent
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    OK I made a deal with Road Runner. Some details follow:

    1. Free service for 3 years on a business account. Type was previously mentioned in another post.

    2. Release the details of what I did exactly to do this to them and turn over all logs, lists, settings etc...but I retain ownership.

    3. My whole house wired for cable. I threw this one in because I was feeling a little playful,,,they laughed too but agreed to it.

    4. I retain my present cable modem. This was one point that I would not budge on.

    5. They pay my sister all court costs that would have been accrued had another lawyer been representing me in a law suit against them. they will figure that one out a little later. But I had to agree to drop all legal action against them and agree not to release information to the media.

    6. Agree not to release the settings on the net. However I would not fully agree to this but I did agree not to release them for a period of three months, if I choose to do so.

    7. If at any time during the 3 year service period that I become dis-satisfied with the account that they give me (i.e...it slows down miserably and acts like a residential account) they will at their cost, upon my request, have DSL service from the phone company installed with their fastest account and they will pay the bill for the rest of my 3 year period that I would have had with them. This may come as a lump sum payment when the time comes. Of course i will lose the Road Runner service at that time.

    There were a few other minor things for both them and me but this is the important stuff. I will not need to sign a new contract. They kinda balked at first on the 3 year service thing saying it was vague and offered no limits. I just sit for about maybe a minute - silent- and told them "Ladies and Gentlemen, have you seen your own sales literature ?". I explained it to them a little , showed examples, and they agreed. Oh yeah and I told them that I did not want any more phone calls from them trying to sell me something, that I wanted my phone number removed from their sales database - or what ever you call it).

    I guess I won, got a fast account (either way - DSL if I get "dis-satisfied") and money to boot. Sounds like a pretty fair deal.

    Well like I said thats the high points.


  7. #107
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    violent,

    Watch out.

    They might bight back , And if they do they will leave teeth marks.

    V..^`.V.^`.V.

    Make sure to put a clause in the contract that you admit to absolutely nothing and all information is given anounymousely.

    You should also have the contract looked at by a good contract lawyer.

    Good luck.
    -Xzaver-

  8. #108
    PostalBunny
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    Red face

    Not to flame or anything... but i have a rr modem and get about 300k/s x 8bits per byte = 2,400,000 bits per second which is 2.4Mbps.

    You said you're getting 27Mbs which is 17 more Megabits per second than you can get on a 10Mbps card... which seems rather odd to me! Normal functioning is usually 5-8Mbps on a network with a switch rather than a hub... if you have your **** setup GOOD and have excelent hardware. Did you manage to switch that 10/100 NIC to 100Mps or sometin crazy?

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  9. #109
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    I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.

  10. #110
    PostalBunny
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    Originally posted by spock:
    I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.
    They're distributing toshiba modems now... and I got real friendly with the modem installer and he said they don't cap the modems... if that's true or not =) However, 27Mbps on a 10Mbps card?!?!, and a deal after the court case was dismissed... deal for what? he didn't give up his cable... so they made a deal to install cable and give him 3 years of business DSL so he wouldn't sue them for $1,000 in lawyer fees? doubt it, he wanted attention... and he didn't email his packet sniffing logs to anyone... and if he did it would probably look like DHCP server requests If they are capped, then it is probably set like a cayman or linksys router by telneting into the damn things, or by eprom. If it is sent over the cable then NO it will not go throught the ethernet cable, just through the coaxal cable. Ever put your cable modem's NIC in promiscuous mode... see any of your neighbors tcp/ip flowing, cuz i didn't...

    sorry... got a little irate at the wrong piggly wiggly



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  11. #111
    NeoGuyver
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    Cool

    spock: The reason they can't send the codes, is because thats EXACTLY what violent blocked out. By going into his diagnostic mode, the modem rejects the information about the CAP from the headend.

    PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.

    But who knows, this could turn out where you are totally right, but hope lives on!

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  12. #112
    Richson
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    Wow, what a cool thread, wtfg Violent give em hell !!!
    I sure would like the sniffer logs if ya have the time richtyson@carolina.rr.com

  13. #113
    legalmind
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    I find this a very good story. Thats about all I can say due to lack of proof.
    When asked for proof,a deal is made within minutes?
    Believe it if you want or not.
    This whole story has a strange smell about it. The part that tipped me off was the quick"deal". What better way to get out of offering proof,"the deal".
    Just offer proof to just one person whom you trust that runs this website. Just one,not two,three or more. Do that and I will say that I was sorry for not believing you.

    [This message has been edited by legalmind (edited 07-11-2000).]

  14. #114
    jdindino
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    Angry

    Anyone else thinking this smells like an URBAN LEGEND or is it just me?????

  15. #115
    Kip Patterson
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    I've said that for days. I like the concept of urban legend.

    How about changing the title of the thread to "The Great Byte Theft"

    By the way, RoadRunner does not provide cable modem service to anyone, anywhere. None of their licensees, or whatever you want to call the cable companies, provide 10 mbit upload because none of them has a cable system that will support it. Motorola does not have a support number for the Cybersurfr modem. He did not get a call from his attorney telling him he would not be prosecuted after he was found innocent. No one can appeal an innocent verdict. Can't get 10 mbit download, either. Goes on and on.

  16. #116
    dan2525
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    John - Can you e-mail me the blueprints for the steel underwear?

  17. #117
    John
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    I will put them up on my server, they will be there for all to check out once I am done the design.

  18. #118
    John
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    Done! I got the blueprints from Roadrunner themselves:


  19. #119
    dan2525
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    But they made you promise not to hand out the keys, right?

  20. #120
    PostalBunny
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    PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.

    27Mbps down and 500k/s (4Mbps) = 31Mbps which is 1 Mbps more than the network can handle... even if it was all configured correctly and running at MAX speed. Ever take a look at your switch on 100Mbps network transmitting files? 34Mbps...

    Anyhow, they're not afraid of him sueing with his sister... i'm looking at the service contract right now.

    "Subscriber will not open, alter, misuse, tamper with or remove the Equipment as and where installed by Texas Cable Partners, and will not remove any markins or labels from the Equipment indicating Texas Cable Partners ownership or serial or identity numbers."

    "...residential service offered for person, non-commercial use...Subscriber further agres not to connect the cable modem to any computer other thant he Computer(s) or to any server..."
    "texas Cable Partners and erviceco shall have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace the equip and software from time to time through "downloads" form the network or otherwise".
    "ServiceCo may employ such means to limit the throughput available throug individual modems whether or not provided by Texas Cable Partners"
    "restrict, prohibit or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy the Road Runner service including, but not limited to, posting or transmitting any..."

    Even if he did "uncap" his modem at his side he was interfering with his neighbors using of the rr service and he DID modify the modem which he is NOT allowed to do. If he was in court, he would have LOST hands down and they would not be making deals with him after they ALREADY LOST.

    And just a note... with dsl you communicate on certain freq on the spectrum and some dsl modems do not work on sbc because they are tailored to odd specifications. After talking with representatives from Efficient Networks which make the modems, they informed me that if you tamper with your modem to communicate on wider freq it will just not be able to get sync. The information downloading to your computer is controle at the router the cable co owns, not the modem. Just like a switch, THEY decide how fast you download there and not where you are at. Ever have your service upgraded to faster rates? The so-called business service, is upgraded from their side, a cable guy dose not come to your house to "flash" your modem with special codes to allow it to dl/ul faster. They program the router you are connected to to ALLOW your modem to xmit faster.

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