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  1. #201
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    Violent,
    Thanks for the reply. It's pretty shocking that this case, from what I understand, hinged on the wording "the modems are technically capable of...". It doesn't take a legal eagle to counter-argue that that describes the modems that are used, not the service itself. A little like selling a tv with a 125 channel tuner in a 40 channel broadcast system. Sneaky, yeah, but marketers do this all the time (not condoning) and in the instances when they are found to cross the line they're typically told to rephrase their advertising and nothing more, perhaps a piddly refund to those who file suit.
    I have to believe Road Runner would feel they would win an appeal but perhaps they felt it wasn't worth the effort for one person, and perhaps they felt they screwed up in making an arrest (which still strikes me as strange).
    Obviously they have a relationship with Motorola, and I would think they'd be working on preventing this from happening again.
    I'd be interested in who actually pressed charges against you, Road Runner or the cable franchise, and which one negotiated your deal. (I'm with Cablevision/Optimum Online, one big happy family, so I'm not sure about all the logistics involved with second party cable ISPs).
    BUT, having said that, or asked that, I'll cast a vote for closing this thread as it was never especially productive and is becoming less so. There's not much anyone else can realistically do except become jealous over your service. If someone were to try messing around with their service because of your story and either get into real trouble or simply lose their broadband, it's feasible they could hold you responsible. It's a sue-happy world after all.
    For what it's worth I believe your story is possible, as I said in another post it's not like we're talking about alien abductions here. It's just hardware and software, and we all know life is about out-programming each other now.
    Good luck to you either way.

  2. #202
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    SHEESH! All this commotion over uncaps, Brent, I understand how ENTERTAINING this is... It's no longer a matter of Truth or LIE, it's about all of these people, trying to be right and be the hero from the big bad LYER Hell I don't CARE anymore whether it's true or not, the fact that you disbeleive so much is like one of those mid-day soaps. Let it go man.. hehe

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    "The modems are technically capable of throughput speeds of 8 to 27 Mb/s in the downstream path and the upstream path ranges from 1 - 3 Mb/s."

    "Thats what was sold to me."


    In that webpage the heading of that section is "The Cable Modem (Manufactured by Motorola)"

    They are talking about the modem there not the service. There is a BIG difference between the Modem and the Service. In that statement they were refering to the Modem not the actual Service and speeds YOU will get.

  4. #204
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    Of course we dont have to beleive a word violent says but can we not be so freekin hard on violent just because you dont believe him?? Even if violent took you to his house, pushed your damn nose to the screen, downloaded a file at 20MB/s, you still wouldnt believe him. You end up being the one with problems not violent. So if he is lying....so what....but.. if he is telling the truth...getting violent pissed of will just make violent withold his information. ANd all of you who right of the bat start beggging for the codes, than after reading kipsters rants and raves you change your tune in like 10 minutes...you really think a smart guy like violent would than turn around and send you the codes???come on now.

    Violent, just continue with what ever you want to do...you figured the damn thing out...but if you think about it...your the one holding the patent now..just like the cable companys.

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    wee hit the nail on the head

    Tweaking your Registry or your Computer is Ok, it just lets you get the maximum that you can get so your PC is not the weak link in the chain.

    Uncapping your speeds however is bad, because you are altering the function of the service that you do not own but Rent! If you owned the service and it was yours to keep forever you can do what you want with it. But the fact is you are renting it and paying them every month to use Their service, not Your service.

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    I doubt he will ever upload anything to Brents FTP....im sure he read what people have been saying about him sending a mod a file but didnt want to reply yet or wont at all....why because its obvious hes just ****tin ya :-) He wont send anything to anyone because he doesnt want to be proven wrong, even though he already has and made something up and accuses the person who busts him for editing the pic.

    We havent seen any REAL evidence, and the download speed 958KB/sec or whatever it said is kind of lower then the KB/Sec if you can notice and i think violent aint gonna post no more....or at least send anyone files that will actually prove his speeds that hes bull****ting....I enjoy watching all of this :-) Funny to see how far some people can go to get attention.

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    Violent:

    On the contrary - your doctored pics prove only one thing - that your supposed scientific evidence is the product of your own fevered drive to prove yourself right and someone else wrong. I presented a topic that has lately become wildly sucessful, offers the truth, and you did not do it first so the attention is not on you. So what do you do - why of course - scientific investigation. Oh Please - give me a break.
    So you overlayed the pics - big deal - what screen resolution did you use ? Which color depth ? How did you do your screen captures ? Which software did you use to do it with? Heck, even the dot pitch on your monitor could be different then mine.I did mine with the windows screen shot deal (alt - print screen / which copies it to the clipboard) then opened paint - pasted it - the saved it. I did it this way to preserve the information as truely as possible. In short I used the same environment to do the screen shots and did not resort to any third part software. Why not do it this way - because windows already has the stuff built in so why not use it. I did not resort to any third pary software to do the pictures except for what I used to convert them to .jpg files for emailing. Because of the file size of a Bmp image (which is much larger) I used VuePro to convert it to a .jpg image to send to Brent since .jpg files are smaller.Your so called scietific evidence is flawed from its very beginning. The wise thing to have done would have been to duplicate the environment as closely as possible, as a control. Scientific evidence -what a bunch of horseS**T.


    LOL too bad I checked windows millennium too! Dot pitch? OMG LOL! You have no clue™*** dot pitch is the size of the dots on the monitor it would NOT effect the pixel contents of your JPEG. I took screenshots EXACTLY the same way you did via clipboard and I checked IE5 in Mill, w2k and 98, I can’t believe you so vigorously defend your lies, to each his own I guess. I had a good laugh anyway.

    Scientific ? No I dont think so . Graphic genius ? nope! Did you comapre the pics for broken lines ? Differences in color shading ? evidences for tampering ? No none of these - and had you done your home work and remotely even known what you were talking about and done these things you would have found that everything is consistant with the pics, that there are no irregularities. Come back in a few months after you have purchased windows millennium -duplicate my computer environment as closely as possible and then tell me what you find. You will not find anything wrong.

    I couldn’t have doctored your picture people can take the posted JPEG from brents site it and do the SAME TEST on their machine with Photoshop and get EXACTLY the same results I'm getting. So please stop trying to defend your lies, your only making it worse for yourself.

    Regarding your so called scientific endevors -One pixel ? What balderdash! any number of things could account for that - the things I mentioned above - your own eyesight in alignment - the software its self, differences from video card to video card - any number of things - even differences on my own machine will make things appear minutely to grossely different on another one. Evidently you were at lunch during science class at school because then you would have know that an experiment without controls is useless.

    Sorry but you can zoom in using photoshop and make sure the text is aligned perfectly while aligning the 40% transparency overtop. I took multiple samples of regular screenshots and overlayed them on millennium, 2K, and 98 so please go find something else to do someones put the smack down on you and you just cant take it.

    How do we know that you have not doctored your pics to show what you wanted them to show ? Do I owe someone an apology ? NOPE! Things happened just the way I said. The pics are real- straight screen shots with no alterations what so ever.

    Plain and simple - You guys wanted pics - I started sending them - was gonna do the court docs in a few days (as soon as I could get to a friends scanner). It doesnt matter what I do. Your so called scientific endevors (flawed tho they are and a waste of your time) will only serve to point out that it would be a waste of my time because they do not match your version of what you think should be. Even if I did send the court docs, within a few hours I would then be subject to "scientific evidence" because of a puncuation mistake when they were typed up or because that double spacing was used in some of the documents or because you did not think the dates were right or because of your scientific evidence that because I blocked out my name in the docs and other personal information. You would say because of your "scientific" investigation of the scanned docs that they did not match up with your own scanned library card or something else as stupid.

    The screen shots I provided are real - undoctored - and are actually taken at the time of the associated activities - upload and download with the uncapped cable modem in Windows Millennium.


    LOL it doesn’t matter which OS your running, last time I looked it still included IE5, same download dialog boxes with NO PIXEL ALIGNMENT problems EVEN BETWEEN OS's like your picture thanks.

    I will not even bother to respond to such crap as your so called scientific investigation any longer - I dont care what you think - it does not matter to me what you think - the information I presented is true, plain and simple. If anyone is owed an apology here - its me apologizing to my self for wasting my time. I owe no one a apology for telling the truth and presenting a new way to do things.

    Why do people so vigorously defend their fiction? I did the test multiple times before I posted, to try to GIVE YOU the benefit of the doubt. I know I made no errors.

    Your just mad because you’ve been found out because “oops” thought no one would look at the jpegs and check to see if they were doctored now did ya? You can go on lying all you want you just dig yourself deeper every post by revealing how much you don’t know. I can send you the PSD files and you can grab YOUR OWN JPEG and ALIGN them yourself and see how your doctored pic is a pixel down from where it's supposed to be.


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    I am all for closing this thread now. I think it's funny how much time some of these people are wasting to try and prove Violent wrong.

    Just let it go, people... let it go...

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    Hey!
    These speeds are great!!!



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    Going to breakfast...can you all break 210 posts by the time I get back?

    This is cool....this is a history making thread...I will be able to show my grandchildren that: I was there when it all unfolded.


  11. #211
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    stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

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    stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

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    stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

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    Triple post, well thats a first

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    I really don't think it's debatable... I can download at 1.5Megabytes a second from the tucows mirror in florida on tampa's rr site if i let IE download 30 megs first then cancel and retry again.

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    Originally posted by Violent:
    Ok I give up. Plain and simple. You asked for pics, I sent you pics. Then when I began to offer proof you guys try to tear it apart. I use the same files and servers you guys do and get better speeds and you get jelous. What can I say. The pics I sent are true and real. If Ikarus doctored his pics, as they obviously were when they they were first posted, then so what ? I used the same standard that his pic showed and beat him. Now he offers another one of his own doctored pics to prove what ? He's comparing his own doctored pics and use those to say mine were fake ? I guess I just do not understand. I will continue to enjoy these high speeds, the rest of ya just continue to enjoy being in the basement near the 56 K modems. Thanks and good bye.
    Trying to be cool but it didn't work. You posted picutres of downloads, which you knew wouldn't prove anything. NOBODY would look at those and say "he's right!". They're only going ot get criticism. Just like a picture of a UFO. You can ONLY look for flaws and you CAN'T prove anything with it. What you need to do if you want to prove you ridiculous story is post information about how any one of us can go to our court house and reference your account to pull up a court case. Mabey a news paper ad... in houston where i'm at you can't have the cops come to do your door for computer related crime and NOT make the papers. Already 3 of my friends made the paper for bull about script kiddie stuph.

    SURELY, someone who can decipher tcp/ip protocols to extract information off the ethernet side of a cable modem and figure out the commands to issue to a modem to uncap it and to successfully uncap it AND WILL THE COURT CASE against the cable company for theft of services, which you did steal... would make the paper. We can all pull up the paper on the web, lets have it


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    Originally posted by Violent:
    Ikarus:

    Why am I even doing this ? Because I wanted to share it with those that have wanted for so long to do something about what they thought was a crappy service.
    Bull, if you wanted to SHARE you would have posted the "sniff" logs with the original post explaining HOW you uncapped your modem. You still won't even upload some doctored packet sniff logs All you keep trying is to PROVE to us that you have uncapped your motorola... and i'm betting your not a programmer, so if you can do it then we can. Upload instructions, we'll uncap our motorolas then you'll be a god. HOWEVER, that's not going to happen is it?



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    hey violent I'm still available to test your upload

    alls you gotta do is send a big file to me over icq or ftp and I'll be glad to see how fast i can download from you

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    I don't think Violent is coming back We hurt his feelings. Actually, PEOPLE in here HURT his feelings So what if he was lying or not. I don't care, "It is only you who makes you beleive or disbeleive" (I dunno, combo of Phych class and maybe that Spoon thing from The Matrix). ANYWAY, IF you haven't left the board for good yet Violent, shows what user-ends are made of! (also, do the Brent-test-o-matic) Prove US wrong!

    Thats NOT my 2¢, Thats my person-to-person advice

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    Violent please upload to brent or another moderator!
    some of us still believe u =P
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