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    All right that's it. I've absolutely had it. No...

    All right that's it. I've absolutely had it. No matter what I explicitly state, You continue to LIE about what I've said. Until I get a direct retraction of that lie about me and an apology, I...
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    Nor do I. You have a lot of nerve saying someone...

    Nor do I.
    You have a lot of nerve saying someone else has twisted words when you're injecting unrelated inferences about "decent." Your last post to me made a point about statehood being necessary...
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    At first, you did say you saw it as war, but I...

    At first, you did say you saw it as war, but I see what you mean about it not fitting the accepted assumptions behind the word. I don't have a term that fits it exactly either. I use "war" because...
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    Now why doesn't it surprise me that you'd quote...

    Now why doesn't it surprise me that you'd quote me to pointedly state your agreement with someone else. :)
    Palestinians have been living in the same area now for quite some time. Just because they...
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    No, I don't forget that the PLO and Hamas are...

    No, I don't forget that the PLO and Hamas are competing for power. It's just that the distinction between them isn't all that great. Although the PLO's rhetoric tends to be more tepid, it's not like...
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    Deliberately twisting someone's words to the...

    Deliberately twisting someone's words to the point that they're unrecognizable so that you can claim they hold positions they don't is outrageous and should be labeled as such. For jayyy this seems...
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    Actually the thing they could give is a...

    Actually the thing they could give is a renunciation of and an end to terror. Elect leaders who will enforce it and ban the presence of groups like Hamas. If that happened, there wouldn't be a...
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    Hey, I actually agree with that to an extent. ...

    Hey, I actually agree with that to an extent. Not about the moral distinction between prolonged vs short, but it's my view that the Israelis should have used much more force years ago because the...
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    Only the last 7 words. If you see it as a war,...

    Only the last 7 words.

    If you see it as a war, I wonder where you get your expectations of how sterile and precise war can or should be. Considering where you've lived, I find it hard to believe...
  10. Just another example of how contemptible these...

    Just another example of how contemptible these people are.
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    Could the difference be that I see this more as...

    Could the difference be that I see this more as war and that you see it more as police action? I mean we both know what's happening, but come to different conclusions about the appropriate level of...
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    Military aid does not create a high standard of...

    Military aid does not create a high standard of living.
    Look at the categories that actually mean something to average people --- education, health care, the economy, etc.
    I notice you didn't...
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    As is the case with most military actions. ...

    As is the case with most military actions. Although we have the capacity to make war cleaner than it used to be, we're still not at the level that we can protect all civilians.No better? Are you...
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    Arrrrgh !!! I can certainly see the reasons...

    Arrrrgh !!!
    I can certainly see the reasons behind the point Prey521 made earlier. When it's 3 against 1, it's just too much work for the 1. I like to respond thorougly to anyone who addresses...
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    I understand that you aren't defending terror. I...

    I understand that you aren't defending terror. I wouldn't make that claim. But you are equating terrorism with response to terror. Both sides do not do it. That's the point where we're probably...
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    To say that is just lying. A society is not...

    To say that is just lying. A society is not about skin color or dna. Societies are differentiated by their cultures... that is, by the way people live -- their habits, belief systems and actions. ...
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    I've reread the posts. It's the word superior...

    I've reread the posts. It's the word superior that got to you isn't it? :) When one team wins a basketball game and the reporter gives the actual score, is it chauvinism? It's certainly an...
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    Why do you say "they've never been offered a...

    Why do you say "they've never been offered a reasonable offer of peace"? Peace is almost a standing offer. Do you instead mean that they've not been offered everything they want? Palestine's...
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    What makes you think I haven't tried to consider...

    What makes you think I haven't tried to consider life in the shoes of a Palestinian --- the fact that my conclusions don't agree with yours? Massacres committed by Americans and Europeans? What...
  20. Yep, a mouth is pretty much a mouth. Once again,...

    Yep, a mouth is pretty much a mouth.
    Once again, the loud few who cried offense have changed it for the rest of us. They always seem to get their way.
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    Unfortunately it can seem that way with the...

    Unfortunately it can seem that way with the number of people pushing a certain view, but I hope you don't give up on it. You seem to have a more objective understanding of it than many. That view...
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    You're comparing situations that have very little...

    You're comparing situations that have very little in common when it comes to culture/religion/ideology. I think people forget how many of the opposing forces (that includes supporters, not just...
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    I think it's naive to believe that appeasing the...

    I think it's naive to believe that appeasing the Palestinians will create a peaceful situation. The anti-Israeli sentiment in the Middleast is irrational. The people who advocate not aggressively...
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    No it won't teach immediate tolerence but it may...

    No it won't teach immediate tolerence but it may be one of many little things that sets a tone.... a start on the road to accepting the reality that people are who they are -- as opposed to their...
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    That is their plan. Unfortunately, it'll...

    That is their plan. Unfortunately, it'll probably happen before some people take it seriously enough. :(

    I heard a recent poll that found 2/3 of Pakistanis look upon bin Laden favorably. ...
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    Some interesting thoughts there. I agree that...

    Some interesting thoughts there.
    I agree that there is no obvious point at which some of these lines can be drawn. As an individualist, I have reservations about allowing the state to dictate...
  27. It's probably true that people are more honest...

    It's probably true that people are more honest online. I don't necessarily agree with all the above reasoning though. It depends on the situation. If you're talking about chat, forums, or IM,...
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    The "agenda" is being pushed by people like you. ...

    The "agenda" is being pushed by people like you. You're trying to control people based on your own irrational fears and hoping to brainwash your own kids and others into believing that normal...
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    If the book were about a straight prince would...

    If the book were about a straight prince would you be asking the same question?
    No book HAS to be published. People write books for various reasons. People buy/check out books for various reasons....
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    That seems to have been the problem in the past...

    That seems to have been the problem in the past -- local governments trying to limit individual liberties. If not for the supremacy of the US Constitution, you'd have a very different set of rights...
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