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Brent
05-13-02, 10:54 PM
I suppose we will see a huge flood of them now :)

Lets try and just post in one thread so we dont' have a thousand threads stating the same thing :p

First one I got:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=3&aid=425

terrancelam
05-13-02, 10:59 PM
I'll wait for this to come out and then get a GF4 Ti4600 :D

m4a2t0t
05-13-02, 11:09 PM
the surround gaming looked awesome

looks promising

HongKongPolice
05-13-02, 11:15 PM
www.matrox.com :D

Heres a real pic of it:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0514/matrox_1.jpg

from:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0514/matrox.htm

Also read somewhere that it'll cost around $400 for the G1000.... I assume thats in USD, which is A LOT for a video card. A russian site said that it was only 20-30% faster than a GF4, with crappy beta drivers, and ppl speculate that it won't be more than 50% faster than a GF4. I doubt you'll be able to OC it much, just look at how big that STOCK HSF is!! Its no surprise tho, with 80million transistors?!? Thats more transistors than a CPU..... built on only .15micron...

I have a feeling that HSF is BARELY enough to keep it running stable.... Might have power issues as well, if you get the 256MB version, the AGP might be able to supply enough juice, might need a molex connector

R300 will kill it anyways, with what, 8 rendering pipes at 4 TMUs each? Running at around 375Mhz core, and faster ram than whats availble today. I don't think the G1000 is worth the $ if it really is $400 USD

Brent
05-13-02, 11:21 PM
That is an EARLY ALPHA design of the card

that HSF will not be present when this card hits retail

it won't hit retail until July BTW

plenty of time to stream line the design

do not panic

and remember who they are targeting for and remember who Matrox is and what they are best known for...

Qwijib0
05-14-02, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Brent
That is an EARLY ALPHA design of the card

that HSF will not be present when this card hits retail

it won't hit retail until July BTW

plenty of time to stream line the design

do not panic

and remember who they are targeting for and remember who Matrox is and what they are best known for...

IQ baby!!!!

ye---haw!

Murman
05-14-02, 04:28 AM
Ya that surround gaming looks very sweet but expensive :D

Good for Matrox, looks like it's going to be a sweet card!



Originally posted by m0a2t4t
the surround gaming looked awesome

looks promising

Faust
05-14-02, 04:56 AM
definitely. the closest Matrox has come in recent years to being anywhere close to the ranks of nVidia and 3DFx was the G400 MAX (had one). when the Millenium (had one of those, too) was first released even longer ago, it was pretty OK, but Matrox was always slapped back to the business machine niche.

i do love rooting for the underdog, and this looks it could be a winner. let's hope they are as on-the-ball with driver updates and quality as they always have been.

BaLa
05-14-02, 06:39 AM
damn...that's tight....
I want a Dual Monitor Setup too :D

I might just get that card once it becomes available AND affordable

kieofwoo
05-14-02, 06:56 AM
i only just went dual monitor and i was happy for 4 days! Now i want triple monitor :rolleyes:

YeOldeStonecat
05-14-02, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Faust
definitely. the closest Matrox has come in recent years to being anywhere close to the ranks of nVidia and 3DFx was the G400 MAX (had one). when the Millenium (had one of those, too) was first released even longer ago, it was pretty OK, but Matrox was always slapped back to the business machine niche.



Yah, I have a G-450 dual head being used in a dual boot server/part time gaming rig. Gaming under that is pretty lame. Couple of G-100's, G-200's, and a G-400 around in a drawer also.

Also remember the old PCI Millenium's back in the Pentium days...I had a Millenium II in a dual Pentium Pro 150 workstation...yap, business machine niche. To be honest, cuz for gaming, such as say Decent II, Quake 1 before GLQuake, Monster Truck Madness.....the Diamond Stealth S3 Virge sure looked better.

Good to see Matrox still do something to stay in the market, but my guess is they're stay OEM. Just makes me think of S3 trying to capture the gaming market a few years ago with their Savage chipset....all sorts of promises made on paper, but look where they are now.

It's the track record of a company that I like, not sudden new promises to make something "The new video card favorite of the week!" only to get disappointed with and forgotten a week after it comes out.

Brent
05-14-02, 09:11 AM
the way i look at this card right now (without having any performance numbers) is:

GeForce4 Ti Killer - YES

Radeon 8500 Killer - YES

NV 18 Killer - YES

R250 Killer - YES

NV30 Killer - Who Knows

R300 Killer - Who Knows

there is no doubt in my mind when this thing is released it will be the best out there

however, I do not know how it will compare to the nv30 or r300 yet since we don't officially know what their specs or performance is like, and we don't even know what the performance of the matrox card is yet...

YeOldeStonecat
05-14-02, 09:26 AM
Yeah but from being hardcore into following video cards and hardware for years.....I've seen a lot of on paper "3Dfx killer, ATI killer, nVidia killer, this video card killer, that video card killer", only to be disappointed when it really comes out.

And the real thing that matters, compatibility with the leading games. And to read and hear about others experiences getting their favorite games running on the "new darling of the hardware world", and having funky issues with the game not working right.
The best decision someone should make when choosing hardware for their rig is "Will my favorite games run great on this". The answer is not always yes, so choose wisely. Granted software and hardware compatibility have improved over the past few years, but it's still something to consider.

Brent
05-14-02, 10:43 AM
A GREAT read from Anand as always

Be sure to read the Conclusion carefully

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1620

Brent
05-14-02, 10:49 AM
here's a list of a lot of articles up:

http://www1.hartware.de/1.html?id=399

http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/matroxparhelia512.shtml

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/matrox/parhelia_release/001.htm

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/matrox/parhelia_release/001.htm

http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2002q2/parhelia/index.x?pg=1

http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=parheliap&page=1&mscssid=&tp=

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/hardware/previews/parhelia_512/

http://www.icrontic.com/index.php?page=public/articles&articleId=195

got em all from here

http://www.anandtech.com/news/webnews.html?newdate=5%2F14%2F2002&frontid=#16259

Qwijib0
05-14-02, 11:02 AM
brent-- the [H] down for you?

Brent
05-14-02, 12:24 PM
it was, explanation why is now up

http://www.hardocp.com/

Ghosthunter
05-14-02, 01:54 PM
I would give Matrox benefit of the doubt, and think this card is going to blow away anything out there, and be a good competitor.


If I had a system that could take advantage of it, I would buy it asap.

HongKongPolice
05-14-02, 03:13 PM
$400 USD for a card?!?!? SCREW IT

If you read anandtech's conclusion, you'll see that if you run "simple" OpenGL games like Q3, it will be slower than a GF4.....

YARDofSTUF
05-14-02, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by TigerUpperCut
$400 USD for a card?!?!? SCREW IT

If you read anandtech's conclusion, you'll see that if you run "simple" OpenGL games like Q3, it will be slower than a GF4.....


450actually, same as a GF4



it will be slower in Q3 adn stuff because its drivers are so young and nvidia has been playing their theirs much more.


it will still run them fine

CableDude
05-14-02, 06:07 PM
Brent will you be reviewing one of these in the future?

Brent
05-14-02, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by CableDude
Brent will you be reviewing one of these in the future?

yes

Ghosthunter
05-14-02, 06:30 PM
Acutally I read the price of the card wil be under $200, not $400, but maybe I read wrong info.

I also read it will be able to display over 1 billion colors, vs the usual 16.7 million colors.

YARDofSTUF
05-14-02, 07:32 PM
there will be different versions of the card 32-256 megs of ram

ScottE
05-14-02, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by YARDofSTUF
there will be different versions of the card 32-256 megs of ram

I read 64-256megs Probably a 64mb "low end" a 128mb "basic" and a 256mb "extreem"

Mutch
05-20-02, 02:06 AM
Why do people need to have that triple monitor crap.. A normal person like myself is happy with one 17' monitor..

And for the price. If its 400$ American.. Well thats like 600 Canadian or so. Screw that for a damn video card.

And who is going to have a system which could handle that type of card, hell I just got a new computer and my geforce 3 ti200 is bottlenecked on it.. I dont understand you guys..

Save your money for a car/ or beer... Something other than blowing all your money on a damn video card which displays 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 colours/polygons..

Im gunna get flamed good for this but I dont care. I cant stand seeing all this talk about 256 mb cards. When I cant even get 99 fps in counter-strike with mine lol.

Jim
05-20-02, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Mutch
Why do people need to have that triple monitor crap.. A normal person like myself is happy with one 17' monitor..


Work. I'm only using a dual monitor setup here, but I can honestly say that I would not go back to working on an NLE without it. It gives you so much more space to do your work on, without the constant shuttling back and forth.

Or in Brent's case, where he reviews products. One monitor can be displaying benchmarks, another a webpage about the card, and yet another the review that he's currently typing.

No, its not for everyone, and not everyone jumps at the newest $X00 video card (there's a reason why they call people early adopters). Its for people who either need it (ie, for work) or want it (ie, lightning fast gaming on multiple monitors "because they can").

Ken
05-20-02, 08:32 AM
They were running Q3 on triples at the show the other day. I gotta say that it did look great...