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crazyjw1971
04-02-02, 01:33 PM
Umm... I'll admit it. I was curious. I uncapped my SB4100.

The speeds were LOVELY! It was NICE to have a 2mb upload...

Until 1:14 pm today (4/2/2002).

My Identi-ring rung. I knew it was trouble. Those three rings can only mean ONE thing.

"Hello, this is so and so from Comcast Abuse department..."

I almost pooped my pants.

They made me reset the modem and ummm needless to say, they warned me not to do it again or else they will suspend me.

NEVER AGAIN!!!

Dont do it! Dont do it! Please DONT DO IT!

crazyjw1971
04-02-02, 01:39 PM
Oh... the moderators might wanna make this one a sticky...

glc1
04-02-02, 02:34 PM
How many warnings from this forum's members does it take?:)

Everytime an uncapping thread emerges fair warning is given...

AoDLiQuiD-M3tH
04-02-02, 02:55 PM
people do notice these things :D

mnosteele52
04-02-02, 03:14 PM
Your lucky you got off with a warning, I've read where people were charged and had to pay fines.:) ;)

crazyjw1971
04-02-02, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by mnosteele52
Your lucky you got off with a warning, I've read where people were charged and had to pay fines.:) ;)

And I've been down on my knees thanking god for it. It only lasted ONE DAY!

Jim
04-03-02, 03:40 AM
You know, SG discourages uncapping for a reason... :p

Dakota
04-03-02, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
You know, SG discourages uncapping for a reason... :p

Weird. It was like we (SG) always knew. Go figure. No matter how many Wet Paint signs you put up, someone has to put their finger in the Wet Paint because they don't believe.

You're pretty lucky, crazyjw1971. And I do have to say you're pretty brave for sharing your experience here. Thumbs up to ya! http://forums.speedguide.net/images/icons/icon14.gif

Cable_Dood
04-03-02, 03:23 PM
If you have the balls to uncap, at least have the brains to do it with an unregistered modem so that you don't get that phone call. :p

Illini25
04-03-02, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by mnosteele52
Your lucky you got off with a warning, I've read where people were charged and had to pay fines.:) ;)

WOW! I'm shocked too!! You got very very lucky that they only gave you a warning and not at least take away your service.

ThomBeck
04-04-02, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Cable_Dood
If you have the balls to uncap, at least have the brains to do it with an unregistered modem so that you don't get that phone call. :p

Hey Dood.
I was wondering, what system in use today would allow an unregistered modem to even sync?
We bought a new SB4100 and couldn't tie in to the system until we called and registered it. ATT is up to date even up here in the northern tip of Utah.

illestdynasty
04-04-02, 03:02 PM
hehe it was only a crime.....when u got caught,

I uncapped my sb4100 on @home and yeah, the upload in the mbps is lovely.....:)

BaLa
04-04-02, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by illestdynasty
hehe it was only a crime.....when u got caught,

stupid argument..it's not really a crime unless you get caught...




I uncapped my sb4100 on @home and yeah, the upload in the mbps is lovely.....:)

just for the heck of it; I HOPE you get caught...If you were my neighbor I'd report you.. :D :p

MadDoctor
04-04-02, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by illestdynasty
hehe it was only a crime.....when u got caughtJust for the fun of it... send me a message at Normsdoctor@yahoo.com Content not important. I want to get a general fix on your location so I can introduce you to a few of the boys. They will explain to you why it’s wrong to do something even if you believe “not getting caught” makes it acceptable. You’re K-12 right? Still lots to learn my friend.

AoDLiQuiD-M3tH
04-04-02, 04:16 PM
lol you guys dont belive how easy it is to get caught doing this. Just because you havent yet it will happen. As for the question on how the modem will sync.....It syncs because you load the config file onto the modem so it doesnt need one from the cable company.......JUST A WARNING this is an easy detection for the cable company....change it back to what its suppossed to be and they wont care but leave it where it is and pay the price.....It would be cheeper to pay for a dedicated OC line then it will be to pay what its gonna cost you to get out of trouble.

Indy
04-04-02, 04:16 PM
I tried to warn you...

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=618374#post618374

illestdynasty
04-05-02, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by MadDoctor
Just for the fun of it... send me a message at Normsdoctor@yahoo.com Content not important. I want to get a general fix on your location so I can introduce you to a few of the boys. They will explain to you why it’s wrong to do something even if you believe “not getting caught” makes it acceptable. You’re K-12 right? Still lots to learn my friend.

Lots to learn,huh???? First of all, I only uncapped because I wanted to see if I could do, after I accomplished it, i quickly reverted back to the factory settings. Second, I must admit, i have to learn, like not to let this kind of stupidity upset me like it has. You honestly think that because I'm still in school I don't know what is right from wrong? If I didn't, don't you think my modem would still be uncapped??????? and introduce me to a few of your boys, thats honestly supposed to be intimidating? LOL i'm so scared. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by BaLa
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Originally posted by illestdynasty
hehe it was only a crime.....when u got caught,

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stupid argument..it's not really a crime unless you get caught...


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I uncapped my sb4100 on @home and yeah, the upload in the mbps is lovely.....

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just for the heck of it; I HOPE you get caught...If you were my neighbor I'd report you..

And to you BaLa, Get caught doing what? Paying for my 1500/128 legally? Not Violating any of Comcast's rules? Honestly if you were my neighbor and you reported me I would just sit there and look at you like a fool, because nothing in my house is illegal, incoming or outgoing. :rotfl:

My Thoughts,
illestdynasty

MadDoctor
04-06-02, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by illestdynasty


Lots to learn,huh???? First of all, I only uncapped because I wanted to see if I could do, after I accomplished it, i quickly reverted back to the factory settings. Second, I must admit, i have to learn, like not to let this kind of stupidity upset me like it has. You honestly think that because I'm still in school I don't know what is right from wrong? If I didn't, don't you think my modem would still be uncapped??????? and introduce me to a few of your boys, thats honestly supposed to be intimidating? LOL i'm so scared. :rolleyes:

My Thoughts,
illestdynasty
Thanks for the second post of clarification. Your first post:
hehe it was only a crime.....when u got caught, I uncapped my sb4100 on @home and yeah, the upload in the mbps is lovely) left us to believe you were an idiot.

Your second post cleared up a few unknowns like:
1) You said nothing about uncapping to see if it could be done… and then quickly reverting back to the factory settings. You left us to believe you were still sucking down all the bandwidth you could steal.
2) You came across like all the people who “do” get caught (it’s not a crime if you don’t get caught). And yes… that makes it appear that you have lots to learn.
3) The statement “let me introduce you to a few of the boys” was intended to wake you up to a possibility.

I’m just some bozo poster here at Speed Guide. Maybe a lurker or two will see value in this exchange of words.

DiskDoc
04-06-02, 07:51 PM
I understand it's wrong and it's stealing bandwidth from other users, but can we be a lil nice to the kid? He did it for the heck of it, and learned his lesson at the same time lol. We know for a fact that he won't do it again, so lets not give him a heart attack.



Pssssst.. yo ill. if u were my next door neighbor i'd come over to yo casa and personally kick yo ass.. :D

illestdynasty
04-07-02, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by DiskDoc
I understand it's wrong and it's stealing bandwidth from other users, but can we be a lil nice to the kid? He did it for the heck of it, and learned his lesson at the same time lol. We know for a fact that he won't do it again, so lets not give him a heart attack.



Pssssst.. yo ill. if u were my next door neighbor i'd come over to yo casa and personally kick yo ass.. :D

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DiskDoc
04-08-02, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by illestdynasty


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

meaning? :D are you rolling ur eyes at me? lolz

FunK
04-09-02, 10:52 AM
Hey Mad Doctor, just don't ever send the boys after me OK?

MadDoctor
04-09-02, 11:32 AM
I have two lists on my desk. One is the “red” list and the other is the “green” list. Those on the red list are people and/or groups that I really dislike... and I post that list on my office wall for my employees (updated weekly).

On the green list are people and/or groups that can come over to my house on Saturday and help me drink vodka. You’re name is on the “green” list.

I like expensive vodka. I provide the ice.

;)

DiskDoc
04-09-02, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by MadDoctor
I like expensive vodka. I provide the ice.

;)

LOLz.. you like it but don't provide it eh...

Cash
04-10-02, 10:52 AM
I'll have to agree with liquid.
Just think about how the internet works...... and clearly think how the main cable company must work.
how they log things that go in...and go out...etc.
isnt hard to see....that some guy with a normal cable modem is sitting there uploading at 2mb a second..or running an FTP etc.
Or that when they go to ping your cable modem, its not there config file?
I don't know, i havnt really seen an arguement that can say how/why uncaping wouldnt be like being instant-caught.

MadDoctor
04-11-02, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by DiskDoc


LOLz.. you like it but don't provide it eh... Which list do you want to be on?

*edit* If you come to my house and bring vodka for me... your name goes on the green list. If you come to my house empty handed, and then you drink my vodka... your name goes on the red list.

DiskDoc
04-11-02, 11:13 PM
Can I leave that up to you?

jdblitz
04-12-02, 02:46 PM
uncapping is only cool if the cable company does it for you.

;)

Hiya Tony B.

not sure how much ill be on boards but im back for a bit anyhow. will post more tomorrow or whenever.


JD

Indy
04-12-02, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by jdblitz
uncapping is only cool if the cable company does it for you.

;)

Hiya Tony B.

not sure how much ill be on boards but im back for a bit anyhow. will post more tomorrow or whenever.


JD

Hey, long time no hear...pm me about what's been going on... Hope everything's been going well :)

Qwijib0
04-17-02, 08:19 PM
I haven't been entertained so well in a while.... watching the GDB peeps take on the GC/DSL peeps....

SpyCatcher
05-09-02, 12:57 AM
I'm not trying to stir this things up here I have check with many friends who work for cable comapines everyone says this topic is BS.

Unless your completely a moron and most criminals are the cable company can not catch you unless you are running a server with huge uploads..... if your just the casual / heavy gamer with no uploads it is very diffculft for the cable company to detect you.

Indy
05-10-02, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by SpyCatcher
I'm not trying to stir this things up here I have check with many friends who work for cable comapines everyone says this topic is BS.

Unless your completely a moron and most criminals are the cable company can not catch you unless you are running a server with huge uploads..... if your just the casual / heavy gamer with no uploads it is very diffculft for the cable company to detect you.

Detection has nothing to do with the amount of traffic you having coming and going thru your modem...

MadDoctor
05-10-02, 09:54 AM
The casual user gets caught:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3155491~root=attbi~mode=flat

SpyCatcher
05-10-02, 12:23 PM
I don't think he was a casual user...just my opinion.

legalmind
05-13-02, 05:37 PM
Why is it we always want what we do not pay for!
Special rate to uncappers.
Bail Bonds 24 hours a day. I take all major CC cards!

Indy
05-15-02, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by MadDoctor
The casual user gets caught:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3155491~root=attbi~mode=flat

Read thru that entire thread...interesting, to say the least...

But like I said before, it's not the amount of traffic coming thru your modem that tips the cable company off that you've uncapped a modem...

lvslr
05-30-02, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Indy


Read thru that entire thread...interesting, to say the least...

But like I said before, it's not the amount of traffic coming thru your modem that tips the cable company off that you've uncapped a modem...

So true Indy so true. It is very easy to tell when a person is using the wrong config file.

:D

JeffL
05-30-02, 06:11 PM
IMO if you want to screw around, go ahead.

But do it legally.

If you want to learn how your ISP caps your modem go ahead, but be smart.

I repeat, have fun, but do it LEGALLY!

Matrox23
06-02-02, 05:47 AM
"Your stealing my bandwith" You know I understand the reasoning to a point, but it sounds very childish. So next time you download an MP3 just think about you "Stealing" someone elses stuff. Or downloading a shareware program that doesnt terminate after the initial trial period yet you still use it.

Second, if uncapping is something they want to avoid (loosing bandwith isnt thier concern, loosing money is) better methods could be used to make "uncapping" nearly impossible for most users.

Ive never uncapped my modem, I have no reason too. Yet it makes me mad how easy it is to do. I think the broadband providers need to look at thier impact on "theft" rather then the individuals stealing from them. Lets face it we dont need speeds upwards to 3mbps to view webpages. We need the bandwith for MP3's, warez and bootleg movies!! Faster connections just mean more theft; therefore they are just as much to blame as the individuals uncapping thier modems.

So now "Your stealing my bandwith" turns into "Your stealing the bandwith I need to steal from someone else" ironic aint it??

SpyCatcher
06-02-02, 10:16 AM
I find the ATT Broadband TV ads very interesting. They say things like "faster downloads of MP3's".

Its not that the cable compaines are losing money...it's just they are not making the huge amount of monies they want. The CEO needs to justify laying off 10,000 people earn $56 million a year versus s/he $29 million a year.

JeffL
06-02-02, 01:41 PM
Faster connections just mean more theft; therefore they are just as much to blame as the individuals uncapping thier modems.

Faster connectiosn in the wrong hands cause theft, NOT the connection itself.

If you and so many others are so concerned about not needing 3MBs download for casual surfing, why aren't you still usng your 14.4k modem? Oh, thats right, its too slow..:rolleyes:


Second, if uncapping is something they want to avoid (loosing bandwith isnt thier concern, loosing money is) better methods could be used to make "uncapping" nearly impossible for most users

Exactly.

I read recently on Slashdot that a program is being made to uncap your modem in one program, with only a few steps involved. As easy as 123. Now thats a scary fact.

MasterPcWiz
06-02-02, 04:28 PM
cant wait tell that program come out lol just to see if it works :rotfl: :2cool: keep us informed

Stealthbig
06-02-02, 10:47 PM
Well im new to this and on the main site it sais uncapping isnt possible with the new cable standard. If it it possible, how?

MasterPcWiz
06-02-02, 11:46 PM
this tells all about how to do it http://www.rmvtechnology.com/derengel/:rotfl:

newbie1
06-03-02, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by MasterPcWiz
this tells all about how to do it http://www.rmvtechnology.com/derengel/:rotfl:


maybe a private msg to him would've helped ...not, sending the link out to the public...

Indy
06-03-02, 12:58 AM
Believe me, uncappers are an easy mark for termination...

Matrox23
06-03-02, 01:44 PM
If you and so many others are so concerned about not needing 3MBs download for casual surfing, why aren't you still usng your 14.4k modem? Oh, thats right, its too slow..

LOL..Yeah ok. A 14.4 modem has always been fast enough to load web-pages I forgot...LOL You know the difference between a 500kb and 768kb connection for general web browsing is very hard to distingush. Yet a 768k to a 1500k is almost impossible to distinguish. Anything after 256k is plenty fast for general web browsing!! Anything higher then that is for "download" speeds. Anything that is 1MB or greater generally is a: Movie, app or music. Of those things what do you generally see implemented in web-pages??

Anyways I want the 3mb connection because I do what I listed above. Yes Im a theif; but I dont go crawling on message boards saying redundant things like "your stealing my bandwith"; Im not ignorant enough to think my "USE" is better then your "USE". Instead of saying the same'ol "Your stealing my bandwith" maybee you should say something more intelligent like; oh I dont know..."Your actions could inadvertantly cause your neighbor not to gain access to the internet" or "When you suck all that bandwith your neighbor is hooking up his old 56k modem for faster speeds".

Instead of saying "YOU" are his neighbor maybee you should get back to the community level and say "HIS" neighbor. Because we all know that 99% of the time "YOU" are not even in the same city as "HE" is. Therefore you just look like an idiot; and your words get you no-where!

make7upyoursman
07-24-02, 02:05 PM
If everyone here wants there cable uncapped so badly start working for the cable company and u'll be able to without being fined or sent to jail.

Soporific
07-25-02, 11:52 PM
Believe me, uncappers are an easy mark for termination...

You've said this a few times, would you care to elaborate on it?

Curious...

~S

Indy
07-26-02, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Soporific


You've said this a few times, would you care to elaborate on it?

Curious...

~S

Not really, since I work for the cable company...

Sava700
07-27-02, 09:22 AM
ok I have the SB4100 and I want to know exactly how to see the capped speeds my ISP have on me.. .. I've researched my contract and had a lawyer double check me on it and seems there is no binding words or comments made that I can't uncap if the modem is capped to a certain speed. So seems if I can get it done they can't do a thing less they wish to change there contracts for future customers :)

Kip Patterson
07-27-02, 11:04 AM
You may wish to check with another attorney.

You do not have a contract in the usual sense. The cable company sets the rules, amends them when they like, and you have to abide by them. The legalities really aren't worth discussing, because the reality is that if you uncap you will be caught and you will be at least warned, if not terminated on the first offense.

You may be able to see what speeds you are capped at by pointing your browser to 192.168.100.1 and looking at the modem settings. Some ISP's disable this function, however.

Sava700
07-27-02, 01:48 PM
whatever you say man your the moderator ahha

guess the lawyer of 27years is wrong?

Kip Patterson
07-27-02, 02:36 PM
Well, see:

"7. Policy Changes. This Use Policy may be changed from time to time by Adelphia in its sole discretion without prior notification to You by posting such change at http://powerlink.adelphia.net (the "Adelphia Internet Site"). Use by You of the Power Link Service after a change to this Use Policy has been so posted by Adelphia shall constitute acceptance by You thereof. If You do not wish to accept such changes, your only remedy is to terminate the Power Link Service Adelphia is providing to You under this Agreement within thirty (30) calendar days of the date such change is posted by Adelphia to the Adelphia Internet Site."

As well as:

"(iv) to improperly interfere with, inhibit, degrade or restrict the use and enjoyment of the Power Link Service by others or Adelphia's ability to deliver the Power Link Service to users and to monitor the Power Link Service, backbone, network nodes and other aspects of network servicing, including, without limitation, by:

. . .

(F) failing to comply with any bandwidth, data storage or other use limitations imposed on your use of the Power Link Service; "

Now, maybe your attorney has a different reading of the sections above, but, legal theory notwithstanding if you uncap you will be found out and in all likelyhood terminated.

My concern is that folks will read your post and take the word of your attorney at face value and go out and get in trouble.

Soporific
07-27-02, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Indy


Not really, since I work for the cable company...

Is this some kind of proprietary information no one else knows or something? I'm not asking how to hack your network, just a general idea... i.e. is it done by monitoring speed, or checking configs, etc.

~S

onetrueday
07-28-02, 06:04 AM
the only way you can get away with it is if you work in tech support for the cable company. A friend of mine worked for adelphia and had some blazingly fast upload speeds. I dont necessaryly agree, since it was cutting back on his nieghbor's speeds; however he wasnt running an ftp server or the likes. So, we can all relax about that!

Sava700
07-28-02, 06:26 AM
we can argue this till we are both blue in the face Kip cause does it really matter? I'm accually happy with the speeds I'm getting on yeah Adelphia IP# check came in handy I see.. but if I felt the need to do so I'd done it by now just wanted to see how far it would be taken since its a worthless argument and funny to see certain replys *LOL* have a nice day :)

deleted_acct
07-29-02, 08:20 PM
oh so if you work for the cable people you get your cable uncapped man my neighbor works for cox i bet hes stilling all my bandwith no wonder i got slow speeds