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pattyjamas@gmail.com
04-03-08, 01:57 PM
Would like to find router to attach External Hard disk to that
consistently works?

I do not want to spend more than $300 give or take $100.
My goal is to find a decent router for home use that also has a USB
input or perhaps an Ethernet input for an external hard drive. I have
a 500GB external USB/Firewire Hard Drive and would like to connect it
to a router so all computers can access it. Probably as a mapped
drive. I do not want to have to leave one computer on as a pass-
through (kind of like Printer sharing).

However perhaps I am wrong but most reviews I read say that such
routers with Media Support do not work consistently, are slow, and so
on..

I just want to use it to store some backup files to that are about
1.5GB in size. Will probably not use for streaming video but might for
streaming music.

Thanks for advice on this. Else I will just stick with what I have ad
forget this entire idea...

Currently have a few PC's running XP, Linksys Wireless Router WRT54GS
and 2 54MBps (supposedly) Powerline modules with Ethernet connections.
Would connect yet to be purchased router to other end of Powerline to
extend access to downstairs of house.

Sincerely
Patty

gene martinez
04-03-08, 02:38 PM
pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:

>Would like to find router to attach External Hard disk to that
>consistently works?
>
>I do not want to spend more than $300 give or take $100.
>My goal is to find a decent router for home use that also has a USB
>input or perhaps an Ethernet input for an external hard drive. I have
>a 500GB external USB/Firewire Hard Drive and would like to connect it
>to a router so all computers can access it. Probably as a mapped
>drive. I do not want to have to leave one computer on as a pass-
>through (kind of like Printer sharing).
>
>However perhaps I am wrong but most reviews I read say that such
>routers with Media Support do not work consistently, are slow, and so
>on..
>
>I just want to use it to store some backup files to that are about
>1.5GB in size. Will probably not use for streaming video but might for
>streaming music.
>
>Thanks for advice on this. Else I will just stick with what I have ad
>forget this entire idea...
>
>Currently have a few PC's running XP, Linksys Wireless Router WRT54GS
>and 2 54MBps (supposedly) Powerline modules with Ethernet connections.
>Would connect yet to be purchased router to other end of Powerline to
>extend access to downstairs of house.
>
>Sincerely
>Patty


Take a look at the Linksys NSLU2, this will allow you to connect (2)
usb drives to an ethernet network. Sounds like what your looking for,
it's NOT wireless....

pattyjamas@gmail.com
04-03-08, 04:55 PM
On Apr 3, 3:38*pm, nj...@eclipse.net (gene martinez) wrote:
> pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Would like to find router to attach External Hard disk to that
> >consistently works?
>
> >I do not want to spend more than $300 give or take $100.
> >My goal is to find a decent router for home use that also has a USB
> >input or perhaps an Ethernet input for an external hard drive. I have
> >a 500GB external USB/Firewire Hard Drive and would like to connect it
> >to a router so all computers can access it. Probably as a mapped
> >drive. I do not want to have to leave one computer on as a pass-
> >through (kind of like Printer sharing).
>
> >However perhaps I am wrong but most reviews I read say that such
> >routers with Media Support do not work consistently, are slow, and so
> >on..
>
> >I just want to use it to store some backup files to that are about
> >1.5GB in size. Will probably not use for streaming video but might for
> >streaming music.
>
> >Thanks for advice on this. Else I will just stick with what I have ad
> >forget this entire idea...
>
> >Currently have a few PC's running XP, Linksys Wireless Router WRT54GS
> >and 2 54MBps (supposedly) Powerline modules with Ethernet connections.
> >Would connect yet to be purchased router to other end of Powerline to
> >extend access to downstairs of house.
>
> >Sincerely
> >Patty
>
> Take a look at the Linksys NSLU2, this will allow you to connect (2)
> USB drives to an Ethernet network. Sounds like what your looking for,
> it's NOT wireless....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks so much.
Had some pretty bad reviews on Newegg. I do not think there is a good
solution out there unless you set up your own File and Print Sever
with an old PC or something. Even the Buffalo Linkstation has issues.
Issues like not compatible with Vista, freezes up, loses data, cannot
access, uses its own formatting system etc...

Will keep looking though..

Thanks
Patty

gene martinez
04-03-08, 06:12 PM
pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:


>
>Thanks so much.
>Had some pretty bad reviews on Newegg. I do not think there is a good
>solution out there unless you set up your own File and Print Sever
>with an old PC or something. Even the Buffalo Linkstation has issues.
>Issues like not compatible with Vista, freezes up, loses data, cannot
>access, uses its own formatting system etc...
>

The one I have is older and yes it uses it's own format, so you can't
use the usb drives on a pc if you wanted too. The newer ones have
changed the way they format so you can use them with pc's if you want
to. I also have Vista and it can see my (2) drives OK. The other nice
thing is, if you want to, you can access your drives (if you needed a
file or doc) over the internet, if you set it up.... I haven't had any
trouble with the NSLU2 unit, one of my 500mg drive went south, but
that was a drive problem...

riggor
04-03-08, 09:46 PM
"gene martinez" <njkat@eclipse.net> wrote in message
news:47f56293.54206996@news.netcarrier.net...
> pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Thanks so much.
>>Had some pretty bad reviews on Newegg. I do not think there is a good
>>solution out there unless you set up your own File and Print Sever
>>with an old PC or something. Even the Buffalo Linkstation has issues.
>>Issues like not compatible with Vista, freezes up, loses data, cannot
>>access, uses its own formatting system etc...
>>
>
> The one I have is older and yes it uses it's own format, so you can't
> use the usb drives on a pc if you wanted too. The newer ones have
> changed the way they format so you can use them with pc's if you want
> to. I also have Vista and it can see my (2) drives OK. The other nice
> thing is, if you want to, you can access your drives (if you needed a
> file or doc) over the internet, if you set it up.... I haven't had any
> trouble with the NSLU2 unit, one of my 500mg drive went south, but
> that was a drive problem...

I have two first generation 250GB Maxtor One touch drives connected to my
Linksys NLSU2. No problems.

The latest firmware will let you use one of the 2nd port with NTFS or FAT32,
but I think the 1st port must use a disk formatted with EXT3 format - which
is Linux, not anything proprietary to Linksys.

It's nice because it has a web server so you can forward port 8080 to it and
get to it from the outside world, as well as a built in FTP server as well -
that once you forward the port - is accessible from the outside world.

It has some nice features around backups ....

pattyjamas@gmail.com
04-03-08, 10:43 PM
On Apr 3, 10:46*pm, "riggor" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote:
> "gene martinez" <nj...@eclipse.net> wrote in message
>
> news:47f56293.54206996@news.netcarrier.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>Thanks so much.
> >>Had some pretty bad reviews on Newegg. I do not think there is a good
> >>solution out there unless you set up your own File and Print Sever
> >>with an old PC or something. Even the Buffalo Linkstation has issues.
> >>Issues like not compatible with Vista, freezes up, loses data, cannot
> >>access, uses its own formatting system etc...
>
> > The one I have is older and yes it uses it's own format, so you can't
> > use the USB drives on a PC if you wanted too. The newer ones have
> > changed the way they format so you can use them with PC's if you want
> > to. I also have Vista and it can see my (2) drives OK. The other nice
> > thing is, if you want to, you can access your drives (if you needed a
> > file or doc) over the internet, if you set it up.... I haven't had any
> > trouble with the NSLU2 unit, one of my 500mg drive went south, but
> > that was a drive problem...
>
> I have two first generation 250GB Maxtor One touch drives connected to my
> Linksys NLSU2. *No problems.
>
> The latest firmware will let you use one of the 2nd port with NTFS or FAT32,
> but I think the 1st port must use a disk formatted with EXT3 format - which
> is Linux, not anything proprietary to Linksys.
>
> It's nice because it has a web server so you can forward port 8080 to it and
> get to it from the outside world, as well as a built in FTP server as well-
> that once you forward the port - is accessible from the outside world.
>
> It has some nice features around backups ....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks
I wonder if it can support no drive on the first port and a 500GB NTFS
drive on the 2nd port??

I read there is alternate firmware for the NSLU2 but did not read any
details.

I realize the NSLU2 is no longer made.
Thanks
Patty

pattyjamas@gmail.com
04-03-08, 10:50 PM
On Apr 3, 11:43*pm, pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 3, 10:46*pm, "riggor" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "gene martinez" <nj...@eclipse.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:47f56293.54206996@news.netcarrier.net...
>
> > > pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >>Thanks so much.
> > >>Had some pretty bad reviews on Newegg. I do not think there is a good
> > >>solution out there unless you set up your own File and Print Sever
> > >>with an old PC or something. Even the Buffalo Linkstation has issues.
> > >>Issues like not compatible with Vista, freezes up, loses data, cannot
> > >>access, uses its own formatting system etc...
>
> > > The one I have is older and yes it uses it's own format, so you can't
> > > use the USB drives on a PC if you wanted too. The newer ones have
> > > changed the way they format so you can use them with PC's if you want
> > > to. I also have Vista and it can see my (2) drives OK. The other nice
> > > thing is, if you want to, you can access your drives (if you needed a
> > > file or doc) over the internet, if you set it up.... I haven't had any
> > > trouble with the NSLU2 unit, one of my 500mg drive went south, but
> > > that was a drive problem...
>
> > I have two first generation 250GB Maxtor One touch drives connected to my
> > Linksys NLSU2. *No problems.
>
> > The latest firmware will let you use one of the 2nd port with NTFS or FAT32,
> > but I think the 1st port must use a disk formatted with EXT3 format - which
> > is Linux, not anything proprietary to Linksys.
>
> > It's nice because it has a web server so you can forward port 8080 to itand
> > get to it from the outside world, as well as a built in FTP server as well -
> > that once you forward the port - is accessible from the outside world.
>
> > It has some nice features around backups ....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks
> I wonder if it can support no drive on the first port and a 500GB NTFS
> drive on the 2nd port??
>
> I read there is alternate firmware for the NSLU2 but did not read any
> details.
>
> I realize the NSLU2 is no longer made.
> Thanks
> Patty- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Found this:
Seems perhaps unreliable in certain circumstances, so perhaps I will
just wait it out until I have a much stronger need for this or perhaps
succumb to EXT written files.

http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Network_Storage&message.id=92

Thanks
Patty

Peter Pan
04-04-08, 12:59 AM
pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:38 pm, nj...@eclipse.net (gene martinez) wrote:
>> pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Would like to find router to attach External Hard disk to that
>>> consistently works?
>>
>>> I do not want to spend more than $300 give or take $100.
>>> My goal is to find a decent router for home use that also has a USB
>>> input or perhaps an Ethernet input for an external hard drive. I
>>> have a 500GB external USB/Firewire Hard Drive and would like to
>>> connect it to a router so all computers can access it. Probably as
>>> a mapped drive. I do not want to have to leave one computer on as a
>>> pass- through (kind of like Printer sharing).
>>
>>> However perhaps I am wrong but most reviews I read say that such
>>> routers with Media Support do not work consistently, are slow, and
>>> so on..
>>
>>> I just want to use it to store some backup files to that are about
>>> 1.5GB in size. Will probably not use for streaming video but might
>>> for streaming music.
>>
>>> Thanks for advice on this. Else I will just stick with what I have
>>> ad forget this entire idea...
>>
>>> Currently have a few PC's running XP, Linksys Wireless Router
>>> WRT54GS and 2 54MBps (supposedly) Powerline modules with Ethernet
>>> connections. Would connect yet to be purchased router to other end
>>> of Powerline to extend access to downstairs of house.
>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Patty

Two answers, stuff that I have/use, one is a ximeta netdisk
(http://www.ximeta.com/web/) the 2nd is a buffalo linkstation
(http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/ <--- currently not
available in the US due to a lawsuit).... (but there are tons of other ones
out there, search for Network Attached Storage - you will get several
hundred thousand hits... Basically they are hard drives with an ethernet
port, so they can plug into a puter or a router or wap/router....
(specifically i just plugs into the router part of your linksys wap/router
and everyone on your network both wired and wireless can use em)

Note that these are essentially hard disks with an ethernet port instead of
the usb port (ximeta has both)... Cost is about $50 more than USB only

You may want to use pricegrabber for finding stuff....
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search.php?form_keyword=network+attached+storage&st=query&submit=Find+It%21

pattyjamas@gmail.com
04-04-08, 09:20 AM
On Apr 4, 1:59*am, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info>
wrote:
> pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 3:38 pm, nj...@eclipse.net (gene martinez) wrote:
> >> pattyja...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Would like to find router to attach External Hard disk to that
> >>> consistently works?
>
> >>> I do not want to spend more than $300 give or take $100.
> >>> My goal is to find a decent router for home use that also has a USB
> >>> input or perhaps an Ethernet input for an external hard drive. I
> >>> have a 500GB external USB/Firewire Hard Drive and would like to
> >>> connect it to a router so all computers can access it. Probably as
> >>> a mapped drive. I do not want to have to leave one computer on as a
> >>> pass- through (kind of like Printer sharing).
>
> >>> However perhaps I am wrong but most reviews I read say that such
> >>> routers with Media Support do not work consistently, are slow, and
> >>> so on..
>
> >>> I just want to use it to store some backup files to that are about
> >>> 1.5GB in size. Will probably not use for streaming video but might
> >>> for streaming music.
>
> >>> Thanks for advice on this. Else I will just stick with what I have
> >>> ad forget this entire idea...
>
> >>> Currently have a few PC's running XP, Linksys Wireless Router
> >>> WRT54GS and 2 54MBps (supposedly) Powerline modules with Ethernet
> >>> connections. Would connect yet to be purchased router to other end
> >>> of Powerline to extend access to downstairs of house.
>
> >>> Sincerely
> >>> Patty
>
> Two answers, stuff that I have/use, one is a ximeta netdisk
> (http://www.ximeta.com/web/) the 2nd is a buffalo linkstation
> (http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/<--- currently not
> available in the US due to a lawsuit).... (but there are tons of other ones
> out there, search for Network Attached Storage - you will get several
> hundred thousand hits... Basically they are hard drives with an ethernet
> port, so they can plug into a puter or a router or wap/router....
> (specifically i just plugs into the router part of your linksys wap/router
> and everyone on your network both wired and wireless can use em)
>
> Note that these are essentially hard disks with an ethernet port instead of
> the usb port (ximeta has both)... Cost is about $50 more than USB only
>
> You may want to use pricegrabber for finding stuff....http://www.pricegrabber.com/search.php?form_keyword=network+attached+...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Peter Pan,
Thanks.
Ximeta looks brilliant if it works. Also NTFS format, buy with Hard
Disk or just an enclosure. Will look at reviews on this. Reasonably
priced as well and working on a media server Q3 2008.

I asked them a question about Vista.

Not sure how they accomplish NTFS and other vendors seem to have
problems with it.

Will check out the reviews.

Thanks!

Patty

Peter Pan
04-04-08, 10:14 AM
pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Peter Pan,
> Thanks.
> Ximeta looks brilliant if it works. Also NTFS format, buy with Hard
> Disk or just an enclosure. Will look at reviews on this. Reasonably
> priced as well and working on a media server Q3 2008.
>
> I asked them a question about Vista.
>
> Not sure how they accomplish NTFS and other vendors seem to have
> problems with it.
>
> Will check out the reviews.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Patty

Just an aside (and sort of a personal reveiw), I have and use it (both
ethernet plugged into my router so it's on my wireless network, and direct
as a USB drive - USB is much faster for full backups- full backup all my
systems once a month, small stuff daily via wireless), but as NAS attached
to the router, works fine with macs, pda's, xp and vista (and with my Tivo's
to save TV shows)... I have the big boy (500 MB, costs a bit more than you
specified), but I see no reason why the cheaper/smaller ones wouldn't work
the same way)..... However, I have only been using it for 4 years, so don't
know what will happen in another 10, guess I better buy a boat in case I
need an anchor.... I give it two thumbs up though, and it certainly works
now... :)

As for which version, check out the netdisk products.....
http://www.ximeta.com/web/products/ndportable1_en.php (not sure if you need
cookies for that link to work)

NetDisk Portable

External network storage for home and office
Fast Ethernet and USB 2.0 interface
RAID 0,1, and JBOD
Ideal for backup and media storage
Compact size for portability
80GB, 160GB, 250GB, 300GB, 400GB, 500GB

if you get one already together (rather than just an enclosure) you can have
it out of the box, and working in about 15 seconds
(you can also buy em online and have em shipped)

Jeff Liebermann
04-04-08, 10:43 AM
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 01:59:29 -0400, "Peter Pan"
<PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> wrote:

>the 2nd is a buffalo linkstation
>(http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/ <--- currently not
>available in the US due to a lawsuit)....

Wrong. Only the wireless stuff is currently not being sold in the US.
Buffalo's other products are still on the shelf and quite good.

I have some issues with the older Buffalo Linkstations (forgot exact
model number). The Windoze security was clumsy, useless, and buggy.
Access to the internal web server was excruciatingly slow and not
reliable. Timeouts were common, even when there was no activity. All
the tiny fans started making noises after about a year and were fixed
temporarily with some oil. Disassembly was a mess.
<http://home.comcast.net/~jstewart228368/linkstation/Disassembly.html>
Still, every one of these that I sold in the last few years have
continued to work without additional problems or failures.

There are some nice reviews and comparative performance tests on NAS
at:
<http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/85/93/>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann
04-04-08, 10:54 AM
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:20:46 -0700 (PDT), pattyjamas@gmail.com wrote:

>Not sure how they accomplish NTFS and other vendors seem to have
>problems with it.

Same way as the other NAS solutions. Linux with NTFS support. See:
<http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs>
for details. Linux boots to a small EFS partition for the operating
system and storage management. The rest of the disk is for storage
and is partitioned for NTFS.

Be careful as to how many of the features of NTFS your selected NAS
storage box supports. For example, the original Buffalo Linkstation
ran NTFS, but without any of the security features. The external USB
drives could read NTFS, but could not format NTFS. The later
Linkstation Pro was much faster, but didn't support NTFS. Make a
checklist of requirements.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Peter Pan
04-04-08, 12:08 PM
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 01:59:29 -0400, "Peter Pan"
> <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> wrote:
>
>> the 2nd is a buffalo linkstation
>> (http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/ <--- currently
>> not available in the US due to a lawsuit)....
>
> Wrong. Only the wireless stuff is currently not being sold in the US.
> Buffalo's other products are still on the shelf and quite good.
>

Good to know, have an older linkstsation, and is working fine, must have
been when my wap/router took a dump and I couldn't find small rolls of
toilet paper or buffalo wap's, I just assumed it was also stuff other than
what I was looking for too.....