AMD/intel question

[jeremyboycool]

Can anyone tell me the key differences in the amd/intel series or point me to a web site that explains it? I am trying to decide what socket to use.

[jeremyboycool]

ok how about this what is a good socket if I plan on using quad core in the future?

[Rivas]

There are 2 camps. AMD fans and Intel fans.
But that doesnt answer your question, I would wait for Yorkfield, 3 months +-few days.
I can try and find some older pics when I had my QX6700 overclocked to 4.1ghz.
In my honest opinion and advice I wouldnt touch AMD at all.
The "new" socket is going to be good old socket 775.

Here are some benches, I posted them in different thread already.
Anyway, take a look.
http://www.anandtech.com:80/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2972&p=3


Intel has shown its cards, now it's time for AMD to respond with those long overdue Barcelona tests...

[jeremyboycool]

well i have always ran a amd cpu. But either one will do. I just want to get my motherboard now and than later when the price drops on the quads get one on slap it in the motherboard.

[jeremyboycool]

I guess what I am asking is: What sockets will have quad core cpus?

[Rivas]

I guess what I am asking is: What sockets will have quad core cpus?

I would wait ...

I think Intel is keeping the LGA 775 socket for awhile.

However, looking at all the info I can find on Penryn, Wolfdale and Yorkfield I can see they will run on the new "bearlake" chipset with PCI-E gen 2 and DDR 3 memory.

also ....Intel is going to implement 2 new sockets for the next generation Nehalem architecture in 2008 and they are Socket B and Socket H. As we know, Nehalem is 45nm based and we are going to see some exciting changes such as IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) and CSI. Socket B will be LGA1366 and Socket H will be LGA715. The reason why Socket B has so many more contact pads is pretty obvious. It is due to the IMC on the Nehalem CPU. Since there is a Socket H version as well, we can expect there will be another Nehalem based CPUs without IMC.
As such, to change memory technologies requires a change in chipset but not in the socket. Thus, Intel CPUs are not dependent upon supporting one or another memory type... they are dependent upon being supported by the chipset.
It is possible, and has been the case in the past, that one family of Intel CPUs can support different memory types depending on the MB and chipset on that MB you purchase.
Supporting DDR3 will not necessitate a socket change and Penryn and derivatives will likely still be socket 775. Now if voltage requirements change that is a different story so be weary, core 2 duo is socket 775 but required a new VRM standard to function, so not all 775 MBs will work with C2D, not sure if the same will happen when Penryn is released.
But I'm not familiar with the DDR3 specs at all.

Thats all I could find, hope it helps.

[Rivas]

well i have always ran a amd cpu. But either one will do. I just want to get my motherboard now and than later when the price drops on the quads get one on slap it in the motherboard.

Oh, if you want Quad "now" here is list of mobo's, however it's canadian site

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=107&subminorcatid=27

just look what does it support.

[YARDofSTUF]

Right now Intel has the lead for the home user. AMD has a couple decent competitors, but all in all the Core 2 duo/extreme/quad run the show, and are priced competitively with AMD's offerings.

Theres lots of boards that will support the quads and like rivas mentioned with the new stuff coming out, wait till you have the moeny and are ready to buy the whole thing. Motherboards change, you get one now your locked into a current gen quad core, buy the board later with the chip and you should have a better upgrade path.

Personally I dont see the need for a quad core cpu for the average user.

[Brent]

The decision between Dual or Quad core depends on your uses and needs.

Socket 775 is the Intel side right now, the Core 2 Duo's are the best you can get, or the Core 2 Quad (quad core), based on the same architecture.

[Joel]

Decent motherboards, such as Intel 965P chipset based, will (with a BIOS update) or already do support quad-core processors.

[Rivas]

This pic was taken early this year from my ex computer.
Temperature on cpu was -25 degree celsia.
Like YOS said you are not going to get much from it in gaming, but if you do video processing/editing/encoding/heavy multitasking this is the right cpu.

http://members.speedguide.net/rivas/january2007.jpg

[Rivas]

Oh and the voltage is wrong, it was at 1.731V I was even higher but it was unstable, RAM and NB problems.
It was getting too hot.
In spite of the facts Mushkin post to be RAM for OCing I got way better results with Corsaid dominator xms2 (DHX) technology.
It was 5 5 5 15 2T 240pin DUal chan 4x1024mb.
Mushkin was faster but was overheating like crazy even at 2.4V.
I will give corsair 5 stars, mushkin>? Never ever again.

[jeremyboycool]

Thanks for the help guys. :)


I found this chart
http://users.erols.com/chare/sockets.htm

and some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

:)

[Shagster]

I'm sure he was very impressed by your overclock rivas. Especially since he asked all about it. Including pics, validation, voltage, timings and all the other info. lolz.

[Rivas]

I'm sure he was very impressed by your overclock rivas. Especially since he asked all about it. Including pics, validation, voltage, timings and all the other info. lolz.

Dont hate the player, hate the game lmao

[YARDofSTUF]

Dont hate the player, hate the game lmao

Vote for BAN, user thinks hes a black playa.

[Rivas]

Vote for BAN, user thinks hes a black playa.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[A_old]

+10000 INFRACTION POINTS..where's the damned pic when you need it

[jeremyboycool]

The decision between Dual or Quad core depends on your uses and needs.

Socket 775 is the Intel side right now, the Core 2 Duo's are the best you can get, or the Core 2 Quad (quad core), based on the same architecture.


What about the 771 and the xeon how do you feel about that one?

[YARDofSTUF]

Xeon chips are server chips.


You only need to pay attention to socket 775 from Intel for now.

[jeremyboycool]

I am looking to build a high end computer that I can upgrade easily in a couple of years. I am not building a gaming/media box.

[YARDofSTUF]

Socket 771 is the Xeon server chip, are you planning to run a server?

The good Xeon 771 chips are basically Core 2 Duo chips, same tech.

[jeremyboycool]

is the 771 gonna be easy to upgrade in a few years?


I always wanted to build a high end machine I have not decided what I gonna use it for prob. just sell it once I am done.

But I don't have the money to just grab whatever I want so I need to plan this out. I know it sounds like a waste of time and money.

[Rivas]

hahaha lets wait for jeremy ...he will show up with 16 cores xeon setup :rotfl: :thumb:

[jeremyboycool]

hahaha lets wait for jeremy ...he will show up with 16 cores xeon setup :rotfl: :thumb:

lol :p

sorry yard sometimes my brian works a little slow but I get what your saying now. Your right I have no need for a server cpu chip.


I still want one though. :)

I just don't want something that is gonna go obsolete in a few years.

[YARDofSTUF]

Everything is obsolete after a couple years in the computer world.

[jeremyboycool]

Ok...

[Brent]

What will this computer be used for?

[jeremyboycool]

To play tetris.

[jeremyboycool]

It is for the sheer joy of taking the time to research,design and build a high end computer system.

[jeremyboycool]

So any thoughts on the life expectancy of the 771 socket?

[David]

So any thoughts on the life expectancy of the 771 socket?

I am under the impression that the 775 and 771 will be used in the die shrink, but that might change in 2008 with the advent of the Nehelem (sp?) series.

IMHO, build it like you needed it today, because promises are few. The only purpose for a server board is for running dual processors, redundancy, quality and specialty slots. Do you what a dual quad board? Well, who wouldn't :D. Seriously, if you wish to take advantage of overclocking, server boards are not the answer.

Brent could offer you a more concise answer.

[jeremyboycool]

Thanks for your help guys.

Seeing how it seems to be a concern the pc will need to be able to both act as a server and a workstation. It will need to have good multitask performance and with the very likelihood of hosting a web site. I want multiple hard drive (somewhere form 3 - 6) with raid for redundancy. Yes I would like a dual socket board and I have no interest in overclocking. But my main concern is lifespan and flexibility of the motherboard. I will not be able to afford a new pc for prob. about 5 or more years.