Seagate Barracudas

[downhill]

So what's the consensus on these drives?

Newegg has them on sale for 95 bucks and free shipping for the 400 gig SATA's.

Yes? No?

I've been out of the loop for a while and really haven't heard much on the reliability of Seagate's.

[YARDofSTUF]

The perpendicular recording drives are best but the reg cudas are good, seatage is reliable.

[Rivas]

Seagate drives are good however personaly I prefer WD.

[Shagster]

These drives are fantastic, the raptor doesn't even have much on them.

[Rivas]

These drives are fantastic, the raptor doesn't even have much on them.

they are not so fantastic, i got 2 of them

[Shagster]

they are not so fantastic, i got 2 of them

I have 2 as well, your point? Benchmarks will prove my point as well if you head over to storagereview.com

[YARDofSTUF]

I have 2 as well, your point? Benchmarks will prove my point as well if you head over to storagereview.com

The raptors still take the win enough to justify the cost.

[YeOldeStonecat]

My fave brand!

[Izzo]

I have a 200 gigger.....solid

[downhill]

The raptors still take the win enough to justify the cost.

Yardy, I don't game but I do a lot of analog to digital. Dunno....you think the difference in speed would be worth it?

Really I'm looking for storage. FLAC files are eating up what space I have left out of 160 gigs. :D

With two of them, I'd have tons of space.

[Izzo]

Yardy, I don't game but I do a lot of analog to digital. Dunno....you think the difference in speed would be worth it?

Really I'm looking for storage. FLAC files are eating up what space I have left out of 160 gigs. :D

With two of them, I'd have tons of space.

If your main goal is storage go with the barracudas ....on a side note I just picked up 2 WD 320g drives this morning :D

[Rivas]

I have 2 as well, your point? Benchmarks will prove my point as well if you head over to storagereview.com

My point ?
Like YOS said, Raptors takes the win ....

[YARDofSTUF]

If you're main goal is storage go with the barracudas

:nod:

[Rivas]

Really I'm looking for storage. FLAC files are eating up what space I have left out of 160 gigs. :D

With two of them, I'd have tons of space.

For storage definately Barracudas, for speed Raptors .

[Unholy]

I have a 400GB a bit loud on seek though.

[YeOldeStonecat]

For storage with good performance....the 16 meg cache 'Cuda's. Liquid bearings...very quiet, cool, and known reliability.

[Shagster]

My point ?
Like YOS said, Raptors takes the win ....

I didn't say they were lesser. i said they aren't as big of a lead over mainstream as they used to be.

GAH! You guys

*stomps back to XS*

[downhill]

Ok let me ask another question. I'm not running a server or CAD. What other applications might I actually need more hard drive speed for?

[Brk]

Seagate drives perform well, but are also quiet. Big plus.

[YARDofSTUF]

Ok let me ask another question. I'm not running a server or CAD. What other applications might I actually need more hard drive speed for?

Anything dealing with large files.

Video encoding, some photoshop work, cuz your a geek and want the fastest choice.

[tHE_0ne]

Anything dealing with large files.

Video encoding, some photoshop work, having 4-5 porn videos going on at once, cuz your a geek and want the fastest choice.


:rotfl:

I might buy the same drive, Im in need of a larger hd for my music, usually black friday i do all my shopping then

[morbidpete]

i have 2 200 gig sata barracuda's in my box right now. not into the speed thing so i never benchmarked them, but i can tell you this, i kicked them both with my steeltoe boots in a drunken rage and they still wokr no issues, even bend the rails there installed on. :D

[Rivas]

For video encoding = Raptors

not even 15k SCSI will beat 10k raptor during video encode
But Raptor doesnt take the win either.
SATA2 drives? Too slow for encoding.You get 12-15 minutes decrease while doing 42minutes encode using sata2 drive (Seagate) compared with Raptor.

With video encoding it depends how you encode the stream/feed, there are no such large files anymore (if you consider 50mb segment large file)

it goes for HDTV (350mb total after merge, 700 mb for HR.HDTV and 1gb+ for 720p encode) talking about 1 hour movies, everything over 1 hour is double the size.

[YeOldeStonecat]

Ok let me ask another question. I'm not running a server or CAD. What other applications might I actually need more hard drive speed for?

Gaming, video editing.

[Mark]

For video encoding = Raptors

not even 15k SCSI will beat 10k raptor during video encode
But Raptor doesnt take the win either.
SATA2 drives? Too slow for encoding.You get 12-15 minutes decrease while doing 42minutes encode using sata2 drive (Seagate) compared with Raptor.

With video encoding it depends how you encode the stream/feed, there are no such large files anymore (if you consider 50mb segment large file)

it goes for HDTV (350mb total after merge, 700 mb for HR.HDTV and 1gb+ for 720p encode) talking about 1 hour movies, everything over 1 hour is double the size.


:wth:

[YeOldeStonecat]

not even 15k SCSI will beat 10k raptor during video encode


I find that beyond difficult to believe. If you saw a benchmark somewhere..they must have used some crummy 15k drives, low cache models, incorretly setup SCSI controller, etc. Something...I just don't see how that's even remotely possible to see Raptors beat a Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm 16meg cache model on an Adaptec controller. Or even an 8 or 2 meg cache model for that matter.

[Rivas]

I find that beyond difficult to believe. If you saw a benchmark somewhere..they must have used some crummy 15k drives, low cache models, incorretly setup SCSI controller, etc. Something...I just don't see how that's even remotely possible to see Raptors beat a Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm 16meg cache model on an Adaptec controller. Or even an 8 or 2 meg cache model for that matter.

SCSI are good for small files in large quantities.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Doing encode on quad or 2xquad xeons with SCSI is really not going to help for 2 reasons.Only x264 is multithreaded, koepis xvid with filters in avisynth and encoding in vdub/vdubmod isnt, the filters are going to put huge pressure on the drive and scsi cant handle it.

EDIT:There is no difference doing encode on 10k raptor or 15k scsi

[Rivas]

:wth:

:wth: what

Let's test it then HR.HDTV

NBC monday HEROES at 9:00 EST
1080i stream using koepi xvid
Just take screenshot of first pass and second pass start and end time.
You use SCSI I will use Raptor.

EDIT: Audio has to stay untouched, 5.1

And we will use same AVS, that way it's going to be fair and we cant cheat:

SetMTMode(5)
LoadPlugin("c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb522.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Dgdecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\UnComb.dll")
mpeg2source("g:\cap1\1\1.d2v")
Uncomb()
SetMTMode(2)
Lanczos4Resize(960,528)
SetMTMode(5)
decimate(cycle=5,quality=0)

[Mark]

i don't have access to HD content, so i can't compare render times, plus there are other variables like CPU and stuff.

not sure if HDD make any difference for encodeing, but maybe for editing and moving clips around they should ?

hell if i know :)

[YARDofSTUF]

SAS > SCSI > Raptors

[downhill]

I guess I'm not in that big a hurry. I do lots of audio compression and sometimes video stuff.

Bang for the buck and like Burke said, "quiet" are pluses. Newegg also has a pretty good deal on WD 200 meg SATA drives with free shipping but I was just curious about the Seagates.

YeOld. These are the 8 meg cache drives and not 16 megs. Do you see a lot of difference between them?

[Izzo]

I guess I'm not in that big a hurry. I do lots of audio compression and sometimes video stuff.

Bang for the buck and like Burke said, "quiet" are pluses. Newegg also has a pretty good deal on WD 200 meg SATA drives with free shipping but I was just curious about the Seagates.

YeOld. These are the 8 meg cache drives and not 16 megs. Do you see a lot of difference between them?

I know I do.

[YARDofSTUF]

I guess I'm not in that big a hurry. I do lots of audio compression and sometimes video stuff.

Bang for the buck and like Burke said, "quiet" are pluses. Newegg also has a pretty good deal on WD 200 meg SATA drives with free shipping but I was just curious about the Seagates.

YeOld. These are the 8 meg cache drives and not 16 megs. Do you see a lot of difference between them?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140

I consider that best bang for hte buck for speed and storage.

Link of all the seagates, the .10s and ESs seem to be the nice ones, I dont know the difference between them though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150014+50001305+1035915133&name=SATA+3.0Gb%2fs

[Sava700]

I love the raptors.. I did however put a SCSI 15k for primary and a 10K raptor for slave drive in a recent server i'm using.

[Rivas]

i don't have access to HD content, so i can't compare render times, plus there are other variables like CPU and stuff.

not sure if HDD make any difference for encodeing, but maybe for editing and moving clips around they should ?

hell if i know :)

I know about the cpu and stuff :)
HDD makes difference, for editing like you said, and when virtualdub is writing the avi segments to the hdd.Is the HDD capable of writing all the data "in sync" with cpu so the cpu doesnt have to wait ?
You can see that in virtualdub graphs even in system processes how occupied is the cpu.
I dont want to say Raptor is faster and I'm the one who is right end of story.Let's test it, we never did it before here.We argued, or had nice fuzzy discussion but never tested it. :D
I can get the stream I will even demux it for you and do the croppings.
It would be around 4-5gb, I can setup ftp and you can download it, want to go for it ?
Koepi is here (http://www.koepi.org/xvid.shtml) get the Latest unstable binary and change the number of threads in virtualdub.
Ac3,ffdshow and avisynth are easy to google and MT (MultiThreading in avisynth) is over here (http://avisynth.org/tsp/).
First install avisynth and then overwrite 2 files in /windows/system32/avisynth files from that link.
My incomplete encoding guide is in software forum I think name of the thread is quick question.There are proper settings for virtualdub.