question, big problem

[Danimal1209]

ok i got a enw mobo and case, now when i plug the power switch into the jumper and turn on the computer, i dont get any error beeps or anything. ive had the cpu and fan on without ram and no beeps. is soemthing wrong with my computer? also, this is with the cmos jumper in the clear state. when i put the cmos jumper into normal it just wont start at all. problems problems....oh newegg have u sent me yet ANOTHER faulty product or am i just missing something?

[morbidpete]

ya plug the speaker into the header? usually on the same header as the power reset hdd led power ldd

the better trouble shooting people that will be in soon will want make and model along with anything plugged into (ram,hdd's, vid card, pci cards, cpu info)

[Danimal1209]

ok, the mobo model is pcchips P4M800Pro / 8237R

the case is http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811190003

and i have a celeron d 331 prescott.

ram is a 184 pin 512mb pc3200

i dont have any pci cards attached atm but i will be using a 256mb radeon 9200 in the agp slot

im just trying to figure out the least amount of jumpers i have to plug in correctly to get the computer up and running. and i was backwards with the cmos jumper, it was in the normal mode. if u guys havent noticed this is my first time installing a mobo to a case.

[Danimal1209]

also, if anyone has the time and patience to help me through aim, if need be, then i would greatly appreciate it. im trying to follow the mobo manual to the T but it doesnt give me much help, i mean there is things it wants me to plug in that i dont have with my mobo. its kind of odd.

i just need to system to boot, after that i can figure everything else out.

[YARDofSTUF]

Oh god its a PCchips mobo!

First off, clear the cmos, no power in to the PSU, jumper on clear, 15 secs later, put jumper on normal.

If nothing happens check to make sure the power on button is connected right. Do you have a full system for this?

I can't find a link for the mobo, but make sure you have all the power connectors plugged in, some boards have the mobo conenctor and 12v 4 pin, others have more.

[Danimal1209]

http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?DetailID=387&MenuID=92&LanID=2 heres the model

and i have done all that. shouldnt it beep at me when i dont have the ram in?

and yes i have a full system ready for when its working. i did have everything installed and turned it on, the HD didnt spin at all but the fans did and the monitor led would goto amber if i plugged it into the agp card or the onboard video.

[YARDofSTUF]

I have no idea, its a pcchips board, they could have removed beep codes to keep the cost down :rotfl:

Do you have the speaker jumpers connected to the board? Dont power it up with the clear cmos jumper.

[YARDofSTUF]

Also make sure all jumpers are on tight and that usb pwr 1 and 2 jumpers match.

Make sure CPU fan1 is connected.

[Danimal1209]

will it startup if i dont put in the usb jumpers? and cpu1 fan is connected and running fine

[YARDofSTUF]

you need to set the usb jumpers to either VCC5V or SB5V so yes, pick one.

[Danimal1209]

well it comes with a thing on it already, its in one of the settings right now. would it make a huge difference which one it was?

[YARDofSTUF]

well it comes with a thing on it already, its in one of the settings right now. would it make a huge difference which one it was?

no, but make sure both are at 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, same setting.

[Danimal1209]

wait there is two and theyre suposed to have those caps on them? i have no caps >_<

[YARDofSTUF]

yes, should be caps(jumpers) for them, no caps(jumpers) isnt good.

[Danimal1209]

oh nvm, i found them, but there is only 2 spots for them, the usb spot and the cmos spot, i put the cmos one in normal mode and the usb one only starts up in one spot, so i leave that there. all i have hooked up to it atm is the power to the psu, the power cord from the button to the mobo and the monitor plugged into the onboard port. i dont know what else to do.

[YARDofSTUF]

There are 2 USB pwr places, check your manual.

With CPU/RAM/Video installed:

Plug in the pwr switch to the mobo and the speaker
Plug in the 20pin power conenctor and the 4 pin power connector
Hit power button.

[Danimal1209]

i have no speaker cable, nothing is labeled speaker

[YARDofSTUF]

ok ignore that part. lol

[Danimal1209]

i dont see another usb power place, is it needed to start the computer?

[YARDofSTUF]

well if you power it up, does it power up?

[Danimal1209]

it powers up but then the power seems to kind of....like not use as much power. like it powers up and the psu gets loud for a second and then it goes soft. like its trying to save power.it wont post tho. and nothing comes up on my monitor

[YARDofSTUF]

Sounds like time to get in touch with pcchips tech support.

[Danimal1209]

eh, guess so, does it make a difference with support if i bought it from newegg?

[ghettoside]

I bought a PC Chips combo once. A real pos. :mad:

I had to clear CMOS to get mine to POST when I got it.

According to your link, your case has a 230W psu. Too small!!!

No wonder it won't POST

[ghettoside]

eh, guess so, does it make a difference with support if i bought it from newegg?

No.

[YARDofSTUF]

230watts should be enough for a celeron and a basic video card.

I'm running a P4 2.8 overvolted, ti4200 video card, tv card on 210watts.

[ghettoside]

230watts should be enough for a celeron and a basic video card.

I'm running a P4 2.8 overvolted, ti4200 video card, tv card on 210watts.

Good for you.

I couldn't get a P4 to fire on a test bench w/ a 270W psu, although according to Intel's specs, 270W was well within the range.

if there's a higher wattage psu on hand I'd try it.

[Danimal1209]

UPDATE:

well ive been messing with it and.....
itll post as long as i have it set to the LOW power setting of 110 watts. and even so, itll stay on for about 30 seconds and then itll shut off. i think it could be a heat problem as my cpu fan is busted and i cannot get it into the holes all the way, so it cant lock into place. would that cause it to shut off? i mean, the cpu fan would not be effective if it was just sitting on the cpu? maybe i should get some of that cooling paste and a new fan.

oh and on 230 watts this is what happens. the mobo is getting power cuz the cpu fan spins and when i plug power into my hd it starts to spin also. BUT the keyboard and monitor neither get power and when i plug my HD into the mobo it stops spinning. lol......anyway

so i should get some paste and a new fan?

[Izzo]

UPDATE:

well ive been messing with it and.....
itll post as long as i have it set to the LOW power setting of 110 watts. and even so, itll stay on for about 30 seconds and then itll shut off. i think it could be a heat problem as my cpu fan is busted and i cannot get it into the holes all the way, so it cant lock into place. would that cause it to shut off? i mean, the cpu fan would not be effective if it was just sitting on the cpu? maybe i should get some of that cooling paste and a new fan.

oh and on 230 watts this is what happens. the mobo is getting power cuz the cpu fan spins and when i plug power into my hd it starts to spin also. BUT the keyboard and monitor neither get power and when i plug my HD into the mobo it stops spinning. lol......anyway

so i should get some paste and a new fan?



Yes it will cause it to shutdown and ya some new paste n heatsink

[Danimal1209]

well i was reading another forum and a guy had the same problem with his amd cpu. he said when he bought it from newegg that it ALREADY had paste on it along with the heatsink. i just realised that mine was also like that. i dont think its supposed to come like that, i figured i had to apply it myself. do you think someone returned them a faulty cpu? its also been about 3 weeks since i got it so i cant erturn it. im thinking ill jsut go buy a fan and paste....

[YARDofSTUF]

110 watts or 230 watts? Are you talling about he 110-220 switch on the back of the PSU? Thats the voltage for the outlet being used, leave that at 110.

[Unholy]

well i was reading another forum and a guy had the same problem with his amd cpu. he said when he bought it from newegg that it ALREADY had paste on it along with the heatsink. i just realised that mine was also like that. i dont think its supposed to come like that, i figured i had to apply it myself. do you think someone returned them a faulty cpu? its also been about 3 weeks since i got it so i cant erturn it. im thinking ill jsut go buy a fan and paste....

The paste on the heatsink is normal for retail heatsinks. You should still buy a working fan. Also, try mounting the heatsink onto the mobo outside the case so that you can see if those crappy pins locked all the way through.

[ghettoside]

Yes it will cause it to shutdown and ya some new paste n heatsink

:nod: :nod: :nod:

The 230/110 that's for setting for either US or Europe power. leave that at 110.

I still think 230W is not enough wattage, but w/o an operational fan connected to the cpu you don't a prayer of getting that box to fire up until you fix that.

[Brk]

Oh my God.

Step away from the computer.

[ghettoside]

Oh my God.

Step away from the computer.

:rotfl:

[jeremyboycool]

try a different psu

[ghettoside]

try a different psu

Thanks, it's about time someone agreed with me.

Danimal1209,

Specs can't always be relied on when you're trying to run at the low end.

I got impatient w/ pcchips site before, damn site takes forever to get a page, so I haven't looked at what power specs they rate the mobo/combo for

I'd try a higher wattage psu, it's gonna cost you like $20. Since you can't return it now, is $20 too much to try now? the higher wattage psu won't go to waste, think about it. More wattage is good, you're not gonna burn up a box cuz you installed a 450W psu... you're just gonna have enough juice to push all the drives & fans.

That cpu fan issue is your first prioirty bud.

[jeremyboycool]

:) well ghettoside I simply meant that his psu might be defective. Although it prob. would not hurt to try a higher wattage to rule out the possibility.

But it might be best to test the motherboard on a different psu before spending money on a new one.

[ghettoside]

:) well ghettoside I simply meant that his psu might be defective. Although it prob. would not hurt to try a higher wattage to rule out the possibility.

But it might be best to test the motherboard on a different psu before spending money on a new one.

I agree, if a different psu is available I'd try it before buying one. I thought I said that earlier in the thread. Thanks for refreshing that.

a higher wattage psu won't go to waste, if a new one has to be purchased.

it can be always be put in use in another box.

I related my own experience w/ a 270W psu that should have pushed a P4 on test bench according to specs. Can't rely on low end ratings, gotta check cpu and mobo specs.

Regardless, a 400 or 450W is not a bad idea. If the combo he has is nfg... he'll still need to assemble a rig. psu useful.

Just my opinion.

The first thing that needs to be done is fix the cpu fan issue. Fact.

[YARDofSTUF]

do we know the wattage of the PSU, it sounds liek the voltage swithc is what he thought the wattage was.

[jeremyboycool]

user error?

[ghettoside]

do we know the wattage of the PSU, it sounds liek the voltage swithc is what he thought the wattage was.

I know, I'm trying to make it clear for danimal.

That case w/ 230W... I'd use that on a P2 at most.

I know what you're running, and kudos for you. I didn't have that sort of experience when I had a similar issue.

anyway, the cpu fan has to be fixed first or we're beatin a dead horse YoS.

[ghettoside]

do we know the wattage of the PSU, it sounds liek the voltage swithc is what he thought the wattage was.

geezofratzenheimer, I'm friggin turning dyslexic now on top of the hbp.

I misread your post YoS. :o


...According to your link, your case has a 230W psu. Too small!!! ...

I was citing this post:


ok, the mobo model is pcchips P4M800Pro / 8237R

the case is http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811190003

and i have a celeron d 331 prescott.

ram is a 184 pin 512mb pc3200

i dont have any pci cards attached atm but i will be using a 256mb radeon 9200 in the agp slot

im just trying to figure out the least amount of jumpers i have to plug in correctly to get the computer up and running. and i was backwards with the cmos jumper, it was in the normal mode. if u guys havent noticed this is my first time installing a mobo to a case.

it's a 230W psu that comes w/ the case

[burple]

This thread is confusing me, but that is not hard to do.

[YARDofSTUF]

Yeah this thread as become a mess, we'll get it straight at some point I guess LOL

Ok, at least we know for sure its a 230watter. Looks like a mini atx too so he might not have much of a choice in wattage.

[Danimal1209]

well i tried it with a 300w psu and the same thing happens. but listen to this.
while my motherboard fell over i turned on the power and it booted all the way to windows. im like wtf i didnt change anything. so i plug in a dvd drive abnd reboot and it doesnt post, so i remove the dvd drve and now just the fan turns on.....im back to the start, nothing but the fan will turn on. the cpu is freezing cold after several boots......i want to narrow the problematic part down so i can just get a new one.

[YARDofSTUF]

The motherboard fell over?

[ghettoside]

The motherboard fell over?

:eek:

[ghettoside]

well i tried it with a 300w psu and the same thing happens. but listen to this.
while my motherboard fell over i turned on the power and it booted all the way to windows. im like wtf i didnt change anything. so i plug in a dvd drive abnd reboot and it doesnt post, so i remove the dvd drve and now just the fan turns on.....im back to the start, nothing but the fan will turn on. the cpu is freezing cold after several boots......i want to narrow the problematic part down so i can just get a new one.

PCChips sucks.

I'd run a few different hdd's in my pcchips box. I had an intermittent issue when using a UDMA Mode 2 drive as slave, the master was Mode 5. The box would hang at POST sometimes, unable to find the OS drive. Used to get a non-ATA drive warning at boot up when it would happen.

Took a while to find the cause.

Check your master-slave-cs jumpers on all drives, and make sure you don't have one of those IDE cables that can be installed to the drive backwards. That'll make a box not POST every time.

drives on the same channel should be set as master- slave... or cs- not one drive as cs and one as master, or slave.

I have another question.

you say the unit fired up to win.

Did you take an OS hdd from another rig... and just try to pop it in on this new rig?

Not a good practice. yes, win should find new hardware... however, it's really best to do a clean install.

[Rainbow]

Am I reading this right? If you powered that Mobo "ON" with the cmos jumper in the clear position then you may as well send it back youv'e ruined the Mobo.
I found out long ago with a lot of boards that is a BIG NONO.
I fried a Mobo a few years ago doing that.

[jeremyboycool]

I am with rainbow send it back before it is to late to.

[ghettoside]

ahem...


... its also been about 3 weeks since i got it so i cant erturn it. ....

I also have a question.

maybe it can be rma'd directly to pcchips? :confused:

[ghettoside]

Am I reading this right? If you powered that Mobo "ON" with the cmos jumper in the clear position then you may as well send it back youv'e ruined the Mobo.
I found out long ago with a lot of boards that is a BIG NONO.
I fried a Mobo a few years ago doing that.

:nod:

definately a possibility

[Danimal1209]

well the manual had it on backwards or upsidedown, so yeah...not really my fault or anything i could do about it.

and yeah the hdd is from my old dead rig. i mean it should still post with a used hdd. AND i dont even have the cables plugged into the hdd, just the power from the psu. and liek i said before, only the fan works, nothing else is getting power.

[ghettoside]

well the manual had it on backwards or upsidedown, so yeah...not really my fault or anything i could do about it.

and yeah the hdd is from my old dead rig. i mean it should still post with a used hdd. AND i dont even have the cables plugged into the hdd, just the power from the psu. and liek i said before, only the fan works, nothing else is getting power.

ok... at this stage I'd have the mobo on a test bench w/ only fans, ram, kb & mouse & monitor. No cards, unless an agp was needed. No drives.

I'd short the power pins w/ a screwdriver (for a second) to test fire the mobo. Not sure you should try that.

It's not clear to me from your post whether you have the power connected to the hdd's & the IDE cables NOT plugged in... or if you have nada plugged into the hdd's- no ide cables and no power connected.

w/o ide connected but yet w/ power connected to the hdd's- that's gonna tell you nothing.

I mean hdd's and cd, dvd drives...