View Full Version : Cops Go On-line with Tickets

07-11-06, 05:09 AM
Hi to all

Another Loophole Closed.:(

Many years ago, when a yellow light really meant "slow down" instead of "speed up", an officer tagged me for running one. I maintained it was green when I entered the intersection, and went to court to argue it.

It turned out I didn't need to. The judge threw it out because the officer had misspelled my name on the ticket. But that's about to become a thing of the past, with the introduction of electronic ticketing by the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) and the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario (MTO). With a few strokes of a keyboard, or a swipe of your driver's license, your ticket will automatically be sent to an in-car printer - and eventually, directly to the court.

Designed, built and deployed by the MTO over the last 18 months, Roadside Data Capture was launched on June 28, 2006 in two OPP cruisers and nine MTO enforcement vehicles, and is expected to be installed in over 500 units by the end of the year. City of Toronto police will go online in the early fall, and the MTO says that other police jurisdictions have expressed interest in the system.

"Writing tickets is fraught with errors," says Sgt. Cam Woolley, of the OPP's Highway Safety Division. "When we pull someone over, we're watching traffic, we're watching the person we've pulled over, we're looking up the offence, and we're trying to transcribe the ticket. And some cops should have been doctors, because they write so bad. Now, we can swipe the driver's license just like a debit card and it all comes up on the screen to be printed."

The system can identify driver's licenses from across North America, and license plates from across Canada.

The new system has two components: e-PON (Electronic Provincial Offence Notices), and e-CVIR (Electronic Commercial Vehicle Inspection Reports). The e-CVIR, filled out whenever large trucks are inspected for safety by officers from MTO, replaces the conventional handwritten report. But its usefulness goes far beyond simply printing forms.

"The system also allows us to access truck inspections, with the data collected instantly in real time," Woolley says. "If a truck is stopped today in Windsor (Ontario) and tomorrow in Whitby (Ontario), the Whitby officer will know exactly what was found in Windsor. Right now, it takes months to access that. Now the officer can say, 'They told you about this, and you were supposed to fix it.' The e-CVIR improves communications, and helps us take dangerous trucks off the road because we'll know they've been stopped before, and we can pinpoint problem carriers and bad vehicles."

The system will also allow police to bring up the truck's inspection report at any time; if the plate comes up on the system with a "green flag", indicating that it has passed inspection, the officer doesn't have to pull it over to check. Should the truck have been previously cited for safety concerns that were subsequently fixed, the vehicle's status can be immediately changed in the database.

Roadside Data Capture can be used in any vehicle containing a mobile work station - right now, that's about 330 OPP cars and 200 MTO vehicles. The officer swipes the driver's license or, if the driver can't produce one, enters the information on the work station's computer keyboard. The computer automatically fills in the ticket; when the officer enters the offence, the computer comes up with the correct wording, fine and victim surcharge. Finally, a printer spits out the necessary number of copies.

At the moment, the court copy must still go the conventional way, sent by police courier to a court clerk, who must manually input it into the court system. By the end of the year, it's expected that the tickets will be automatically e-filed with the courts, eliminating delays and the possibility of transcription errors.

"It's bad news for the paralegal industry, where legibility and spelling errors often form the entire defense," Woolley says. "Most of their successes are in finding errors on the tickets. In my utopia, court cases will be all about the case, not the ticket."

The e-tickets are also cheaper than regular tickets, which MTO enforcement officer Hank Dubee says cost about a dollar each, due to the fact that they're carbonless duplicates. They'll also avoid the mountain of paper some officers carry. "I go everywhere, Barrie to Windsor to London to Cornwall, wherever I'm needed, and I have to have tickets for every jurisdiction," Dubee says. "Some officers carry a dozen ticket books. If I'm not carrying tickets for the area I'm in, I have to call someone else, or look the other way because I can't pull someone over. Now, I just go to a drop-down list, and it prints the right ticket for the jurisdiction."

He wrote several on the launch day, but says that offenders really don't care about the format they receive. "It's all about saving time and money, and safety," he says. "The courts will want this more than anyone because there are no errors."

"The intention was to improve communications and efficiencies," says MTO enforcement officer Harry Alkema. "The MTO designed the application first for the truck inspections, and then because the follow-up was issuing notices, the e-PON was the natural progression.

"It's not a new concept; the OPP was doing MDEARS (Mobile Data Entry And Retrieval System), which took the ticket and printed it on an impact printer. But it wasn't the creation of the ticket, it was problematic with lining up the paper form, and it didn't go directly to the mainframe. This is the next evolution. This is the first application in Ontario, but we're getting a lot of interest from other police services."

Woolley says that e-tickets drastically reduce the time spent on handwritten tickets, which gets police and drivers off the side of the road sooner.

"Most people we stop for speeding are in a hurry anyway," he quips. "They should like this, because it'll get them on their way even faster."



07-11-06, 08:27 AM
Well, I'd be ecstatic if I were the cops, and pissed if I got pulled over by a cop with one of them new gadgets LOL Either way, it's a good idea, simple and to the point, less time pulled over on a side of the road where some idiot can sideswipe you.

07-11-06, 09:16 AM
Hi Prey

What they didn't mention is they'll now have more time to pull more people over and issue more Tickets.:rotfl:

Did someone mention Quotas.:D

Have a dandy day and drive carefully.:)




07-11-06, 09:29 AM
Ah yes, all the safety AND all the rewards of the quota system! As a favor to you Minir, I'll become a citizen of Canada, try and get a job in the force, infiltrate this new system and implant a virus :D

07-11-06, 09:36 AM
So if you get pulled over...make sure when you actually pull over, you're under a wiiiide bridge, or better yet..in a tunnel.

No reception for their mobile systems! :D

07-11-06, 09:36 AM
Ah yes, all the safety AND all the rewards of the quota system! As a favor to you Minir, I'll become a citizen of Canada, try and get a job in the force, infiltrate this new system and implant a virus :D


Sounds like a plan to me Prey Eh!:D

Take care:)



07-11-06, 11:15 AM
Sounds good to me.

07-11-06, 12:20 PM
I got a ticket once but it was made out in my Grandfathers name as I'm the 3rd.. they didn't add that to it.. it didn't matter in court the judge just ignored it and still made me pay the fine so regardless of this it doesn't matter either way in prob 99% of the country as they are only in it for the money anyway.

07-11-06, 01:23 PM
Hi YeOldeStonecat & Sava700

Good idea.:rotfl:

The way things are going you'd probably be charged with "Blinding a Police Officer" as well.:D


Here you can get off on Technicalities like that. I was once caught driving with a Pal of mine on my shoulders on a main Street with my motorcycle. It started off innocently enough with him hopping on my Bike and crawling up on my shoulders while on my Service Station lot on a Sat. afternoon.

Well one thing led to another and i drove (foolishly) out onto the St. with him still their. The next thing we were downtown and people where getting quite a kick out of it. I stopped for all Lights etc and finally a Cop yelled at me and i took off. That was the end of it i thought.

The Cops knew me and just laughed but several old Farts phoned the Station and on Monday they came and charged me. Serious stuff. I had to get a Lawyer.

Possible 1 year loss of licence and a hefty fine where the probabilities according to my lawyer.

Court day and a Fella that owned a Hardware Store (if memory serves) was called as a witness by the Prosecution and he turned out to be on my side saying i never weaved or wobbled and was in perfect control at all times and he and his Staff thought it quite fun. The Magistrate didn't, i could see.

Anyhow i finally noticed the Crown Prosecutor kept saying on such a Date did you see (Me) doing this and it was the wrong Date he was giving. I leaned over to my Lawyer and whispered that to him. He said don't say anymore.

Well they called several Witnesses and finally wrapped up their case and my Lawyer stood up and asked me to take the stand and asked me on that Date did i do the above? I replied No! He asked me was it on a Saturday afternoon and i said Yes!

He pulled out a Calender and said that the Date the Crown was using was wrong and offered the Calendar as proof.

He then asked the Case to be dropped due to the wrong date being used.

It was.:)

All Smiles i was asked after this decision to stand before the Bench and was properly reamed out by the Magistrate and called a "Rodeo Stunt Driver" and I'd better not appear before His Court again anytime soon as he would deal with me quite harshly.

We went out and had a few Beers to celebrate after with my Pal and we and my Buddies had a real laugh.

What i didn't mention was my Riding Pal's Father was on the Town Council and very well known and my Dad was a very well known Business person in Town as well.

Of course the Town Paper couldn't resist using this tidbit in the Evening News on the Front Page, as well as the Local Radio having quite a discussion about it also.

My Pals Father went nuts on him as mine did on me and we where both on the Sh*t List for weeks with our respective Families.:rotfl:

My Wife thought i was a total Moron and cut that piece out of the Paper and along with a few others put it in the Family Scrapbook with the promise if my Kids ever got into a bit of trouble and i was coming down on them She'd haul that old book out and show them what an Idiot i was.

As it turned out She did, a couple of times and they laughed thinking Dad was Cool. Stupid, but Cool.

So Yes Sava you can get off on a Technicality.:rotfl:

Hadn't thought of that story in years. It just jumped into my head on answering you.:rotfl:

I think that was back in 1961???

Hope i didn't bore you with my story.


Thanks Fellas and do have a good one.:)




07-11-06, 01:41 PM
hey mimir, why is your license sandwiched between those speaker magnets?

07-11-06, 03:08 PM
hey mimir, why is your license sandwiched between those speaker magnets?


Hi TonyT

Different times back then TonyT:rotfl: There were only about 6 Bikes in the City and no traffic. We kinda acted out a bit.

Looking back, kinda dumb, but fun at the time.:rotfl:

The stuff i didn't get caught doing would fill a book and its best not turning most of those pages again.:D

Have a good one:)



07-12-06, 05:06 AM
nifty system it sounds like.

But it's likely very pricey as well

07-12-06, 10:41 AM
Hi BaLa

Government & Dollars are never at odds when it comes to spending BaLa.:rotfl:

I'm sure a Sales Job was done on someone in charge of procurement about all the time and money that will be saved by installing these units in Cars. The facts will eventually prove that wrong, but by then there will be 3 or more other things clouding the next Best Thing to come along.

Have a great day BaLa :)