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dan2525
07-13-00, 09:04 PM
Violent,
Thanks for the reply. It's pretty shocking that this case, from what I understand, hinged on the wording "the modems are technically capable of...". It doesn't take a legal eagle to counter-argue that that describes the modems that are used, not the service itself. A little like selling a tv with a 125 channel tuner in a 40 channel broadcast system. Sneaky, yeah, but marketers do this all the time (not condoning) and in the instances when they are found to cross the line they're typically told to rephrase their advertising and nothing more, perhaps a piddly refund to those who file suit.
I have to believe Road Runner would feel they would win an appeal but perhaps they felt it wasn't worth the effort for one person, and perhaps they felt they screwed up in making an arrest (which still strikes me as strange).
Obviously they have a relationship with Motorola, and I would think they'd be working on preventing this from happening again.
I'd be interested in who actually pressed charges against you, Road Runner or the cable franchise, and which one negotiated your deal. (I'm with Cablevision/Optimum Online, one big happy family, so I'm not sure about all the logistics involved with second party cable ISPs).
BUT, having said that, or asked that, I'll cast a vote for closing this thread as it was never especially productive and is becoming less so. There's not much anyone else can realistically do except become jealous over your service. If someone were to try messing around with their service because of your story and either get into real trouble or simply lose their broadband, it's feasible they could hold you responsible. It's a sue-happy world after all.
For what it's worth I believe your story is possible, as I said in another post it's not like we're talking about alien abductions here. It's just hardware and software, and we all know life is about out-programming each other now.
Good luck to you either way.

NeoGuyver
07-13-00, 09:06 PM
SHEESH! All this commotion over uncaps, Brent, I understand how ENTERTAINING this is... It's no longer a matter of Truth or LIE, it's about all of these people, trying to be right and be the hero from the big bad LYER http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif Hell I don't CARE anymore whether it's true or not, the fact that you disbeleive so much is like one of those mid-day soaps. Let it go man.. hehe

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hoochymama
07-13-00, 09:12 PM
Of course we dont have to beleive a word violent says but can we not be so freekin hard on violent just because you dont believe him?? Even if violent took you to his house, pushed your damn nose to the screen, downloaded a file at 20MB/s, you still wouldnt believe him. You end up being the one with problems not violent. So if he is lying....so what....but.. if he is telling the truth...getting violent pissed of will just make violent withold his information. ANd all of you who right of the bat start beggging for the codes, than after reading kipsters rants and raves you change your tune in like 10 minutes...you really think a smart guy like violent would than turn around and send you the codes???come on now.

Violent, just continue with what ever you want to do...you figured the damn thing out...but if you think about it...your the one holding the patent now..just like the cable companys.

Brent
07-13-00, 09:12 PM
"The modems are technically capable of throughput speeds of 8 to 27 Mb/s in the downstream path and the upstream path ranges from 1 - 3 Mb/s."

"Thats what was sold to me."

In that webpage the heading of that section is "The Cable Modem (Manufactured by Motorola)"

They are talking about the modem there not the service. There is a BIG difference between the Modem and the Service. In that statement they were refering to the Modem not the actual Service and speeds YOU will get.

Brent
07-13-00, 11:25 PM
wee hit the nail on the head

Tweaking your Registry or your Computer is Ok, it just lets you get the maximum that you can get so your PC is not the weak link in the chain.

Uncapping your speeds however is bad, because you are altering the function of the service that you do not own but Rent! If you owned the service and it was yours to keep forever you can do what you want with it. But the fact is you are renting it and paying them every month to use Their service, not Your service.

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zeussoft2
07-13-00, 11:54 PM
I doubt he will ever upload anything to Brents FTP....im sure he read what people have been saying about him sending a mod a file but didnt want to reply yet or wont at all....why because its obvious hes just ****tin ya :-) He wont send anything to anyone because he doesnt want to be proven wrong, even though he already has and made something up and accuses the person who busts him for editing the pic.

We havent seen any REAL evidence, and the download speed 958KB/sec or whatever it said is kind of lower then the KB/Sec if you can notice http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif and i think violent aint gonna post no more....or at least send anyone files that will actually prove his speeds that hes bull****ting....I enjoy watching all of this :-) Funny to see how far some people can go to get attention.

Ikarus
07-14-00, 02:23 AM
Violent:

On the contrary - your doctored pics prove only one thing - that your supposed scientific evidence is the product of your own fevered drive to prove yourself right and someone else wrong. I presented a topic that has lately become wildly sucessful, offers the truth, and you did not do it first so the attention is not on you. So what do you do - why of course - scientific investigation. Oh Please - give me a break.
So you overlayed the pics - big deal - what screen resolution did you use ? Which color depth ? How did you do your screen captures ? Which software did you use to do it with? Heck, even the dot pitch on your monitor could be different then mine.I did mine with the windows screen shot deal (alt - print screen / which copies it to the clipboard) then opened paint - pasted it - the saved it. I did it this way to preserve the information as truely as possible. In short I used the same environment to do the screen shots and did not resort to any third part software. Why not do it this way - because windows already has the stuff built in so why not use it. I did not resort to any third pary software to do the pictures except for what I used to convert them to .jpg files for emailing. Because of the file size of a Bmp image (which is much larger) I used VuePro to convert it to a .jpg image to send to Brent since .jpg files are smaller.Your so called scietific evidence is flawed from its very beginning. The wise thing to have done would have been to duplicate the environment as closely as possible, as a control. Scientific evidence -what a bunch of horseS**T.

LOL too bad I checked windows millennium too! Dot pitch? OMG LOL! You have no clue™*** dot pitch is the size of the dots on the monitor it would NOT effect the pixel contents of your JPEG. I took screenshots EXACTLY the same way you did via clipboard and I checked IE5 in Mill, w2k and 98, I can’t believe you so vigorously defend your lies, to each his own I guess. I had a good laugh anyway.

Scientific ? No I dont think so . Graphic genius ? nope! Did you comapre the pics for broken lines ? Differences in color shading ? evidences for tampering ? No none of these - and had you done your home work and remotely even known what you were talking about and done these things you would have found that everything is consistant with the pics, that there are no irregularities. Come back in a few months after you have purchased windows millennium -duplicate my computer environment as closely as possible and then tell me what you find. You will not find anything wrong.

I couldn’t have doctored your picture people can take the posted JPEG from brents site it and do the SAME TEST on their machine with Photoshop and get EXACTLY the same results I'm getting. So please stop trying to defend your lies, your only making it worse for yourself.

Regarding your so called scientific endevors -One pixel ? What balderdash! any number of things could account for that - the things I mentioned above - your own eyesight in alignment - the software its self, differences from video card to video card - any number of things - even differences on my own machine will make things appear minutely to grossely different on another one. Evidently you were at lunch during science class at school because then you would have know that an experiment without controls is useless.

Sorry but you can zoom in using photoshop and make sure the text is aligned perfectly while aligning the 40% transparency overtop. I took multiple samples of regular screenshots and overlayed them on millennium, 2K, and 98 so please go find something else to do someones put the smack down on you and you just cant take it.

How do we know that you have not doctored your pics to show what you wanted them to show ? Do I owe someone an apology ? NOPE! Things happened just the way I said. The pics are real- straight screen shots with no alterations what so ever.

Plain and simple - You guys wanted pics - I started sending them - was gonna do the court docs in a few days (as soon as I could get to a friends scanner). It doesnt matter what I do. Your so called scientific endevors (flawed tho they are and a waste of your time) will only serve to point out that it would be a waste of my time because they do not match your version of what you think should be. Even if I did send the court docs, within a few hours I would then be subject to "scientific evidence" because of a puncuation mistake when they were typed up or because that double spacing was used in some of the documents or because you did not think the dates were right or because of your scientific evidence that because I blocked out my name in the docs and other personal information. You would say because of your "scientific" investigation of the scanned docs that they did not match up with your own scanned library card or something else as stupid.

The screen shots I provided are real - undoctored - and are actually taken at the time of the associated activities - upload and download with the uncapped cable modem in Windows Millennium.

LOL it doesn’t matter which OS your running, last time I looked it still included IE5, same download dialog boxes with NO PIXEL ALIGNMENT problems EVEN BETWEEN OS's like your picture thanks.

I will not even bother to respond to such crap as your so called scientific investigation any longer - I dont care what you think - it does not matter to me what you think - the information I presented is true, plain and simple. If anyone is owed an apology here - its me apologizing to my self for wasting my time. I owe no one a apology for telling the truth and presenting a new way to do things.

Why do people so vigorously defend their fiction? I did the test multiple times before I posted, to try to GIVE YOU the benefit of the doubt. I know I made no errors.

Your just mad because you’ve been found out because “oops” thought no one would look at the jpegs and check to see if they were doctored now did ya? You can go on lying all you want you just dig yourself deeper every post by revealing how much you don’t know. I can send you the PSD files and you can grab YOUR OWN JPEG and ALIGN them yourself and see how your doctored pic is a pixel down from where it's supposed to be.


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Suture
07-14-00, 04:32 AM
I am all for closing this thread now. I think it's funny how much time some of these people are wasting to try and prove Violent wrong.

Just let it go, people... let it go...

MtCableman
07-14-00, 07:29 AM
Hey!
These speeds are great!!!

http://members.home.net/mtcableman/1beatthis.jpg

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chacmool
07-14-00, 08:32 AM
Going to breakfast...can you all break 210 posts by the time I get back?

This is cool....this is a history making thread...I will be able to show my grandchildren that: I was there when it all unfolded.

chase
07-14-00, 10:13 AM
stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

chase
07-14-00, 10:14 AM
stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

chase
07-14-00, 10:15 AM
stop the complaing Violent upload a file to a mod and end the possibilty that you are lieing and it will end the arguement all together ... simple quick fast guaranteed is what i say

wee96
07-14-00, 10:29 AM
Triple post, well thats a first http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

PostalBunny
07-14-00, 01:35 PM
I really don't think it's debatable... I can download at 1.5Megabytes a second from the tucows mirror in florida on tampa's rr site if i let IE download 30 megs first then cancel and retry again.

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PostalBunny
07-14-00, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Violent:
Ok I give up. Plain and simple. You asked for pics, I sent you pics. Then when I began to offer proof you guys try to tear it apart. I use the same files and servers you guys do and get better speeds and you get jelous. What can I say. The pics I sent are true and real. If Ikarus doctored his pics, as they obviously were when they they were first posted, then so what ? I used the same standard that his pic showed and beat him. Now he offers another one of his own doctored pics to prove what ? He's comparing his own doctored pics and use those to say mine were fake ? I guess I just do not understand. I will continue to enjoy these high speeds, the rest of ya just continue to enjoy being in the basement near the 56 K modems. Thanks and good bye.

Trying to be cool but it didn't work. You posted picutres of downloads, which you knew wouldn't prove anything. NOBODY would look at those and say "he's right!". They're only going ot get criticism. Just like a picture of a UFO. You can ONLY look for flaws and you CAN'T prove anything with it. What you need to do if you want to prove you ridiculous story is post information about how any one of us can go to our court house and reference your account to pull up a court case. Mabey a news paper ad... in houston where i'm at you can't have the cops come to do your door for computer related crime and NOT make the papers. Already 3 of my friends made the paper for bull about script kiddie stuph.

SURELY, someone who can decipher tcp/ip protocols to extract information off the ethernet side of a cable modem and figure out the commands to issue to a modem to uncap it and to successfully uncap it AND WILL THE COURT CASE against the cable company for theft of services, which you did steal... would make the paper. We can all pull up the paper on the web, lets have it http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif


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PostalBunny
07-14-00, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Violent:
Ikarus:

Why am I even doing this ? Because I wanted to share it with those that have wanted for so long to do something about what they thought was a crappy service.

Bull, if you wanted to SHARE you would have posted the "sniff" logs with the original post explaining HOW you uncapped your modem. You still won't even upload some doctored packet sniff logs http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif All you keep trying is to PROVE to us that you have uncapped your motorola... and i'm betting your not a programmer, so if you can do it then we can. Upload instructions, we'll uncap our motorolas then you'll be a god. HOWEVER, that's not going to happen is it?



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Brent
07-14-00, 02:36 PM
hey violent I'm still available to test your upload http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

alls you gotta do is send a big file to me over icq or ftp and I'll be glad to see how fast i can download from you http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

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NeoGuyver
07-15-00, 01:50 AM
I don't think Violent is coming back http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/frown.gif We hurt his feelings. Actually, PEOPLE in here HURT his feelings http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/frown.gif So what if he was lying or not. I don't care, "It is only you who makes you beleive or disbeleive" (I dunno, combo of Phych class and maybe that Spoon thing from The Matrix). ANYWAY, IF you haven't left the board for good yet Violent, shows what user-ends are made of! (also, do the Brent-test-o-matic) Prove US wrong!

Thats NOT my 2¢, Thats my person-to-person advice http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

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itzGman
07-15-00, 05:27 AM
Violent please upload to brent or another moderator!
some of us still believe u =P
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jayyy
07-15-00, 12:15 PM
accidental double post...

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jayyy
07-15-00, 12:16 PM
It's over, man. I believed it, it was exciting to believe, and its still possible that what he claimed to to can be done, but violent didn't do it. Any one willing to write 10-inch posts about the variancy of pixel width to defend his honour would have just uploaded a file to brent by now. As far as I can see he doesn't even make mention of this challenge in his posts. If he does, it won't be the same IP address, he'll be on the nearby college's T1, and then this thread will go on for another 2 pages with passionate discussion over whether or not a cable IP can, technically change, whether or not his story can still be theoretically possible.
Perhaps it can (though I think the spacing on 969 k on IE 5 kills it), but thats not the point. The dynamics of the unbelievable revelation are gone. Violent is a bright kid who did a fake post out of imagination and a need for attention. He followed himself on Kips challenge and got himself in deeper and deeper until he was faking download shots on photoshop. He's just like that sad, imaginative, needy kid in 7th grade who claimed to have the coolest video game or toy or bike, but could never prove it because his mom said it was too good to let out of the house, or he leant it to his cousin across state, or whatever, making bigger and bigger fibs to cover the sad truth, letting the lie become more and more shameful and pathetic

lvslr
07-15-00, 03:04 PM
Hey Violent,

I have a offer you cant refuse, I work for an ISP that has a OC3 back bone. I will place a 10, 50 and 100 meg file in front of our redirector and let you download it from us and then i will post your times from our end and you post your times you get on the download.

I honestly know that you did not uncap your cable modem, but if by some chance you did i would love to know what you did so i can keep it from happening to our ISP.

As stated earlier Bouncer can verify that I am what I stated.

Just let me know and the files will be placed out there for you to download and prove your point. That is the only way you are going to change my mind.

mndeg
07-15-00, 03:58 PM
I'm an old member and I haven't seen threads this large before. He seems pretty smart and why the hell would anyone want to defend a lie to such great (insert word that fits)

mndeg
07-15-00, 04:06 PM
I registered one month after brent, oh and the word that fits there is depths/extent

NeoGuyver
07-15-00, 05:02 PM
Technically, he could go to a nearby college and do that, BUT, you can trace it to his name, and the format SHOULD have the or.RR.com thing on the end of the DNS, so thats a dead option, if he used a T1 from a college we could trace it, to an EDU place.

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kerplunk
07-15-00, 05:40 PM
I am sick of seeing this topic listed at the top of the forum every day. Let's just say Nick is an idiot and get on with our lifes and go talk about something else.

Amro
07-15-00, 09:16 PM
D a m n straight! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif topic is way too long and gettin old hehe

clover
07-16-00, 12:12 AM
You don't have to read it. But let others who are interested read it.

clover

ConfusedAsHell
07-16-00, 12:39 AM
Yep. Everytime you post saying that you're sick of seeing it at the top of the forum...it brings it back to the top! I personally like it. If you don't, then don't read! Simple.

NeoGuyver
07-16-00, 01:30 AM
Must... K e e p. . . P O S T I N G . . .

Come on Violent, I have my 2¢ riding on you! please come through for us in this time of need! Also, hehe TOPIC goes back to the top of the list! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

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toadvenom
07-16-00, 02:32 AM
What will Violent do next?
A) Upload a file to Brent?
B) Reveal court docs?
C) Bore us with his prose?
D) Silent?

What's gonna be the happy ending to this saga?

steve
07-16-00, 04:05 AM
Violent's real name is James Michener! LOL.
Just wanted to say I finally got to read through all the posts, and it was quite entertaining, especially John's shorts. I guess when you fart like John, you need reinforcments (just kidding, John). With Ultraband, we won't have to worry about the speeds anyway. Carry on, don't cap the thread! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Bouncer
07-16-00, 05:12 AM
Couldn't be james Michener.

He didn't spend a page and a half describing a doorknob.

http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

Me, I'm not criticizing violent at all. I'm still hoping a test arrangement can be made. And for the record, lvslr does have that kind of access. I may have to go kick him in jealousy or something.

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spock
07-16-00, 10:40 AM
Bouncer,

I am critizing violent. Sure, he wrote long posts, and I suppose that means he wouldn't waste his time writing long posts if he were lying... I disagree, you lie in that situation to get your name in the spotlight, doesn't matter if no one knows who you are, it matters that he sees the post he made explode out of control and that he has the attention he wanted.

As far as the technical end of the spectrum about uncapping. In my eyes, it's pretty much impossible, the ARP table at the head end (which I beleive controls the gateway) can only be entered by Admin with the proper access, it's kinda like a Router table, if it is changed it will screw alot of stuff up. Two, accessing the head end to change the ARP file is like trying to access a FTP with the wrong password, it WON'T let you in!! And the odds of him getting that info is like 1/10000... so you see that is my outlook.

John
07-16-00, 12:02 PM
lol@steve http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Brent
07-16-00, 12:19 PM
Geez Violent that's what, 3 offers now from people? Me, John and someone else even offered to do the tests with you to see what ya got.

And I sent you an email last night too, sooooooooo what's up G?

dmsmed
07-16-00, 02:41 PM
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

Sun Tzu 474 B.C.

dmsmed
07-16-00, 02:49 PM
"To subdue the enemies army without battle is the acme of skill."

Sun Tzu-474 B. C.

TheWave
07-16-00, 02:53 PM
Brent, maybe they took him bak to jail. =)

ispark
07-16-00, 04:21 PM
Just wanted to add to the growing list of replys. http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

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uniqueVisage
07-16-00, 04:24 PM
This is the most hillarious thing I have seen on the internet (I don't know if thats sad or great for me). I have gotten my whole office, home even my grandmother overseas has gotten attached to this thread. IM ACTUALLY HAVING PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FRIENDS,COWORKERS and OTHERS ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. Violent, if this is true or false, who cares, you my friend and all those who have paticipated should all take a bow, especially those moderators....lol
It took me 3 and half hours to read all this, and to think I got here by accident. Oh about that deal, sure it would prove your innocent or guilty (maybe) but then what, does this thread end? what about the aliens from mars taking over our planet?
P.S. What ever happen to that Kip Paterson guy. Did I miss a scene?

Kip Patterson
07-16-00, 04:35 PM
I'm here. I've said enough.

Kip Patterson
07-16-00, 04:36 PM
I'm here. I've said enough.

Kip Patterson
07-16-00, 04:39 PM
Sorry about the double post. Is anyone beside me having trouble with the server not responding?

NeoGuyver
07-16-00, 07:39 PM
Heh, this is turning more into a chat/psychology analysis than an Uncapping topic http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

I lost my 2¢ to some punk kid, so this is just my opinion =)

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mobius0
07-16-00, 10:27 PM
Hey martialcomp, did violent walk off your flat earth ?????? http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

iBringPain
07-16-00, 11:53 PM
I don't know who I should be laughing at? All you Bashers? Voilent? Or myself for adding to this..... I think most of you are just trying to figure out for yourselfs how to upcap your modems. Instead you should just complain to the cable provider to provide better service and customer support. Ever call Road Runner for tech support. It's full of Moorons who could not get a job at Mc Donalds sweeping and I'll bet the other compaines are at the same level. So what if Violent took you all for a ride. Bet its not the first time you have even been on a ride! If Voilent's story is true good for him... if not it's been a good laugh!

DarkSmurf
07-17-00, 01:03 AM
Hello. I have been a RR Cable user for almost two months now. I guess I am a lucky user, I don't have a cap on upload or download speeds. I have had a 1.6megs/sec (thats WS_FTP said) UPLOAD to AOL's members' ftp...and 1.82megs download from the same
-Turner, a.k.a DarkSmurf

martialcomp
07-17-00, 01:23 AM
Yeh, it does seem that Violent has disappeared on us. Not sure, he has not posted in a while.

Xzaver
07-17-00, 08:41 AM
Violent ,

Its still brewing , your taking to much time.
I know They cut you off to half the net<

e-mail me

Xzaver@Tweak3d.net

Xzaver
07-17-00, 08:47 AM
DarkSmurf,

wow nice speeds , can you send me a pic of an UL (undoctored ofcourse http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif ) , thanks

-Xzaver-

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zeussoft2
07-17-00, 05:20 PM
heh

lael007
07-17-00, 07:22 PM
Since this topic will probably be the longest one ever in this board, i'd like to be the last one to post something...

Violent had most you fooled, and he probably got what he wanted(Attention)...

he's probably a lonely person who doesnt have nothing better to do , and probably got Fuked up the a$$ by his father when he was a child...
(this will probably get him to reply something)

kerplunk
07-17-00, 07:48 PM
Hello my name is Violent and I like to post long azz topics and I went to jail because my download speed wasn't fast enough so I had to super tweak it (ha ha), but it was worth it man! I can download that porno at least 2% faster! Yee haw.

kerplunk
07-17-00, 07:50 PM
Hello my name is Violent and I like to post long azz topics and I went to jail because my download speed wasn't fast enough so I had to super tweak it (ha ha), but it was worth it man! I can download that porno at least 2% faster! Yee haw.

kerplunk
07-17-00, 07:52 PM
Sorry I posted two, it kinda wrecked my moment. Anyway, this forum is getting lagged for me as of late.

kerplunk
07-17-00, 07:53 PM
Sorry I posted two, it kinda wrecked my moment. Anyway, this forum is getting lagged for me as of late.

Ah the flooder catcher got me. :/

kerplunk
07-17-00, 08:00 PM
AHG!

I am sorry for those double posts I don't know what is happening. I will not correct myself this time if it does it again, so I will say sorry now. http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

Insuw
07-17-00, 08:26 PM
OK here is my thought give Violent a deadline of say Wednesday and if he doesn't go along we call it a Urban Myth for now. Then we can go onto the next subject, uncapping our DSL hehehehe http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif
Edward

jliu
07-18-00, 12:16 AM
I need to add to the long list of posts....

jds
07-18-00, 03:43 AM
...well...erm..nice topic http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif
violent, it would be really nice if you could *PROVE* your "uncapping legal" thingy...somehow

oh well, i better run

cya
jds

Sawzall
07-18-00, 04:24 AM
hmm. Kip Patterson. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Well Here is something that you can turn all Blue in the face over and claim impossible.

My Motorolla Cable modem downloads normally at 900kbps

and it uploads at approx 700kbps

I dont know why it is so fast but it is.

Now I am sure you are going to argue with me about this but I am here and I see it daily.

Kip Patterson
07-18-00, 05:20 AM
No, I don't argue at all. My only reason for posting is that I felt and still feel that Violent's post described things that were not possible.

If you have a Motorola Cybersurfr or Cybersurfr Plus modem, and the speeds you report are in bits, then they are achieveable.

If they are in bytes, then either they are wrong or the published Motorola documentation is wrong. Which is it?

Lex Luthor
07-18-00, 05:42 AM
Sawzall,

what are you bragging about? That speed sucks for cable.

Lex

J_Mc
07-18-00, 12:05 PM
I don;t know.

I linked to speedguide from another site. I am glad I did because man this thread has been very interesting to read. Gave me a few laughs to.

As far as everything is concerned i have to disbelieve this uncapping story. The RDC's control the bandwidth and basically if it is not there to take then how can you take it?

PostalBunny
07-18-00, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Sawzall:
hmm. Kip Patterson. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Well Here is something that you can turn all Blue in the face over and claim impossible.

My Motorolla Cable modem downloads normally at 900kbps

and it uploads at approx 700kbps

I dont know why it is so fast but it is.

Now I am sure you are going to argue with me about this but I am here and I see it daily.



Um... 900kbps / 8 bits per byte --> 112.5 kilobytes per second... that's not that fast for cable... that's like lower end average. Violent claims 900KB/s which is 900x8-->7200kbps and before that he claimed 27Mbps

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steve
07-18-00, 01:54 PM
Doing my part for Brent to get this thread up and over 300 posts eventually, even without Violet, oops, Violent!

uniqueVisage
07-18-00, 04:27 PM
Sorry if Im moving away from the topic, but isn't Postal's Quote should be:

"Postal Bunny Reporting for Duty",
instead of
"Purple Bunny Reporting for Duty". Just

curious,.. thought maybe you kept on making typing errors.. i dunno.,.anyway
...
as you were...

PostalBunny
07-18-00, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by uniqueVisage:
Sorry if Im moving away from the topic, but isn't Postal's Quote should be:

"Postal Bunny Reporting for Duty",
instead of
"Purple Bunny Reporting for Duty". Just

curious,.. thought maybe you kept on making typing errors.. i dunno.,.anyway
...
as you were...



I'm really PurpleBunny and anything that has to do with mail or message transportation is taken over by the PostalBunny who delivers it for me... so i'm reporting for duty to my postalbunny... which doesn't make much since, but don't even tell a Schizo he's doing something wrong... it's a bunny system, you'd have to be a bunny to understand http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif

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mig125
07-18-00, 07:11 PM
me must post....must reach 300...
Douh! sweeeet beer ooough!
Homer Simpson

As soon as we get to 299 I will post here to be the 300th! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif
sweeeet http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

But I think we need Violent to keep it up...whom we will ridicule otherwise?

steve
07-18-00, 08:58 PM
If I was Sonny and Brent was Cher, we'd be singing the beat goes on, the beat goes on! Lol, where has Violet (Violent) run off? Be a man and come tell us the results of your super modification techniques, and how it will alter mankind as we know it.

mobius0
07-18-00, 09:00 PM
Do we all get a reward for 300. Like the truth? http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif

Just adding to the long string.

steve
07-18-00, 09:02 PM
Screw it, I'm going for the beginning of page 8, if nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

steve
07-18-00, 09:05 PM
Damn

it

Man!

What

will

it

take

to

get

there!

Self amusement is a terrible thing.

steve
07-18-00, 09:08 PM
This is proving to be a much harder task than I initially imagined it to be!

Carry on fellow posters.

steve
07-18-00, 09:10 PM
"The truth is out there"

steve
07-18-00, 09:17 PM
I think Violent just uncapped the Speedguide servers, lol!

Brent
07-18-00, 11:57 PM
So can we get this up to 300 posts?

zerosmash33
07-19-00, 04:23 AM
Plz don't flame me for this message....
I'm probably beating a dead horse here but this is mainly a general observation I've made after reading the entire thread: Violent tells the story of his uncappin' of his modem and then there's a huge discussion and then the flamers start to attack and then make a mockery of the original idea. Now that Violent has just given up and started not caring, we are still debating on how real this story is. I ask why? It's probably not affecting you so why do you care? If Violent wants to take the time to respond to an alledge pseudo-thread it's his own business I don't think that it really needs to be attended to with such vigor and enthusiasm? Let's just move along.....

Please note I'm just an insignificant teenager who's just given his opinion on the situation....
Don't respond if you don't want to.

clover
07-19-00, 04:50 AM
I couldn't disagree more, Zerosmash33. First of all, you can spell, unlike most posters here who don't know the difference between "there" and "their"; second, you went through an entire post without flaming anyone (rare); third, you didn't use a single swear word in your post (even rarer). I won't even mention that, correct grammar and spelling aside, you made a lot of sense.

No, Zerosmash33, I would say you are anything but an insignificant teenager.

clover

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mig125
07-19-00, 10:42 AM
I didn't swear...I didn't flame anybody...I know how to spell, but I am 27 yrs old.
Do I still get 'thumbs up' from you guys?

IMHO - The truth must be revealed!!!!
It's the principle that counts! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/cool.gif

wee96
07-19-00, 12:37 PM
I'm mighty tighty whitey and im smugglin plums *headbangs* Ahh well, just tryin to add to this thread, I know im weird.

Brent
07-19-00, 12:57 PM
I listen to Blood Hound Gang too

wee96
07-19-00, 01:11 PM
Oh by the way, wanna see my speeds?

http://www.geocities.com/weee96/goodlord.gif

Now, tell me, is this a modifyed picture? http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif I fixed this up in 10 minutes, and I honestly think it looks quite more convincing than Violents pictures did. Wee! I guess screenshots dont mean much these days, since they are so easy to create.

[This message has been edited by wee96 (edited 07-19-2000).]

Kip Patterson
07-19-00, 02:02 PM
Recommended procedure for detecting an altered screenshot:

Click on the close button. If it does not close within 3 seconds, it has been altered.

Brent
07-19-00, 02:17 PM
what?

xfactor
07-19-00, 03:21 PM
can you send me that log as well, I have a @home and I use to be capped at 128KBps upload then they went to 16KBps which made me mad..

x.factor@home.com

clover
07-19-00, 03:22 PM
Just one question Wee96: if the download speed is 33MPS and the file size is 19MB, how in blazes were you able to capture the download picture?? According to my calc you had about half a second! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif

clover

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Amro
07-19-00, 11:42 PM
Shrug, I'm a teenager... heh.. 16.. doesn't make me ignorant though -- although I'll admit most people my age are

xfactor
07-20-00, 12:36 AM
He is just that good :P

Ikarus
07-20-00, 05:50 PM
Heh. I can't believe people are still posting to this thread! My god after my exposition you'd think people would move on after discovering the truth. Anyone can do the photoshop, or paintshop pro (I think psp has it?) test with Vi's IE jpeg from brents site via transparency layering.



Ikarus,

I'm sorry if I am missing it or something, but photo editing isn't my specialty.

Can you explain clearly as to how you know for certain the screenshots are fakes?

I'd appreciate the clarification.

Thanks!
Lex

Ok lex, here we go, in all versions of IE4 and 5. The download dialog box hasn't changed the alignment of the text. Violent posted a screenshot that had him downloading the Quake3 patch exe file, and I had just posted a screenshot before it downloading the same one, but I changed the speed and aligned it perfectly in photoshop so when I overlay my doctored picture over a real download of the same file the speed and KB/sec are on the same lines (i.e. no shadows appear below (1 pixel off the original kb/sec). With violents picture, I downloaded the same file took a real screenshot and overlayed violents shot making it ~50% transparent so you can see if the text and what not is aligned properly throughout the screenshot. By overlaying it overtop of the other one all of the major text is aligned vertically on the same lines throughout IE in all Operating systems. But our good friend violent™. Modified the screenshot via a paint program but did a real quick job so the kb/sec and the speed is one pixel off from where it's supposed to be in a real screenshot of a download. You can do the test yourself using any paint program that supports layering and transparencies.

The original JPEG brent uploaded for violent can be found here - http://www.coremeltdown.com/images/speed_down.jpg

So anyone on this board can do the test themselves and see that violent was just fibbin his way into the speedguide post hall of fame (or shame).

Detailed instructions (if you have photoshop) to do the JPEG test.

Open up Photoshop, start downloading the quake3 117 patch exe from quake3world.com or any file of your liking. Press printscreen and it will copy the screen to clipboard then in Photoshop hit file --> new and it should show your screen resolution (it auto detects the size of clipboard screenshots). Then edit menu --> paste (or by pass using the paste hotkey). Now you should see the screenshot of the IE download box. Now from photoshop open up the JPEG you downloaded from brents site, and press CTRL-A to select all of it. Then CTRL-C to copy the picture from the open jpeg window. Then select the untitled PSD window and paste it in there. Now violents screenshot should be on top of the real one on a seperate layer in the window. Now go to the windows menu --> show layers and you will see each screenshot on it's own "layer" select the layer with violents jpeg and and you should see the opacity @ 100% change the opacity to 30-50% and while the layer is selected from the tool bar select the cursor arrow and move the transparent layer until you align the text "close this dialog box when download completes" and there you will see that his jpeg leaves the KB/sec light shadow one axis beneath the real shot and voila, violent is exposed.

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Xayd
07-20-00, 07:14 PM
Just to put everyone's mind to rest, I work for a company that sells legal research to Lawyers over the web, and just ran a search on ALL of our case law databases for the phrase "Road Runner" and the word "modem".

Zero results.

If this was indeed a criminal case between Violent and his state, it should have been made public.

Why no email address Violent? Are you even a cable modem subscriber? Doubtful.

I'll betcha that the moderator who posted the screenshots for you got them from hotmail/yahoo/juno didn't he? Probably.

Bottom line is there is no case law public in the United States as of about three days ago that involves "Road Runner" and "Modem" in any way.

Xayd

Brent
07-20-00, 07:25 PM
I'll betcha that the moderator who posted the screenshots for you got them from hotmail/yahoo/juno didn't he? Probably

I'm the one Violent sent the pictures to to post them because it wasn't working for him, the email address it came from had an ending of @usa.net the Full email address is *********@usa.net

[This message has been edited by Bouncer (edited 07-21-2000).]

martialcomp
07-20-00, 08:58 PM
The only case that we could find, if we looked, would be one titled "Teenager running amok on speedguide.net bulletin board".

[This message has been edited by martialcomp (edited 07-21-2000).]

RoundEye
07-20-00, 09:34 PM
Well, I must admit. I'm addicted to speedguide.net. I'm just posting here to get my fix. Can someone post the 12 step guide to SA (Speedguide Anonymous)? I've misplaced mine. http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif

tntjboy
07-21-00, 12:40 AM
hey violent..i have charter pipline with earthlink as my isp...is there a way to do what u did with my services?

clover
07-21-00, 02:13 AM
tntjboy, did you attach a stamped, self-addressed plain brown envelope with small, unmarked bills (nothing larger than a $3 bill with a clear picture of President Gore on it) inside? Otherwise....you are unlikely to get a reply.

clover

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Brent
07-21-00, 08:32 AM
almost to 300!

wee96
07-21-00, 08:48 AM
*sneeze*