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The_Sandman
07-10-00, 12:15 AM
martialcomp:
Couldn't of put it better myself. Thank You

iBringPain:
Do your research before you post. Read martialcomp last statements for my reply.
No violent is not in my neighood as you put it(check your spelling) I don't recall saying he was. If you don't care about your neighbor thats your problem(god am I glad I don't have you as my neighbor)I'm sure many of us feel differently. I for one have a regard for those around me because I know that what I do will affect others. Yes, there are more important things to think about in my day but that doesn't mean I won't think about when I'm online and getting 30K downloads or worse.

mobius0:
Don't know if you've noticed but many of us rarely get what we paid for in regards to service from RR. Here's an example last year in Jaxsonville they had backbone problems which did not get fixed until 5 months later, and know in my area they have the same damn problem and i'll be damned if I pay them for not fixing a problem. Like clover many of us are limited in choice to what High speed provider we get. I am limited to RR only, so even If I wanted to I can't switch. Yes, I could DSL and pay more for something slower( I am far away from the Company). RR does advertise here 100 times faster than 56k.

Bozzman:
Not everyone wants the logs so they can uncap their modem, while the majority does there are some that are just curious as to what command exactly have this affect and how do they bypass the cables.
Yes I'm sure many 15yr old with a cable modem want those logs so they can get warez and porn faster. I for one don't have a motorola modem so those logs wouldn't allow me to uncap mine. even if they did I wouldn't because i would be sucking up bandwith from my neighbors and I know how pissed off i get when I get slow downloads especially with this backbone problem RR is having.


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Amatuer
07-10-00, 12:34 AM
Hi Violent:
Can I view the loga too?
since everyone want them....

Mtsung3@yahoo.com

Thanks a lot!

Kip Patterson
07-10-00, 07:43 AM
To Clbe:

RR is not a DOCSIS system throughout. Many locations use the Motorola Cybersurfr, which is not a DOCSIS modem.
The manuals for the Motorola system are on line on the Motorola site. It caps at the headend. See: http://www.motorola.com/MIMS/Multimedia/manuals/079.pdf
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kerplunk
07-10-00, 08:38 AM
Hi

kerplunk
07-10-00, 08:40 AM
I just wanted to be the 100th person to post

MUHAHAHHAA

Violent
07-10-00, 05:34 PM
OK I made a deal with Road Runner. Some details follow:

1. Free service for 3 years on a business account. Type was previously mentioned in another post.

2. Release the details of what I did exactly to do this to them and turn over all logs, lists, settings etc...but I retain ownership.

3. My whole house wired for cable. I threw this one in because I was feeling a little playful,,,they laughed too but agreed to it.

4. I retain my present cable modem. This was one point that I would not budge on.

5. They pay my sister all court costs that would have been accrued had another lawyer been representing me in a law suit against them. they will figure that one out a little later. But I had to agree to drop all legal action against them and agree not to release information to the media.

6. Agree not to release the settings on the net. However I would not fully agree to this but I did agree not to release them for a period of three months, if I choose to do so.

7. If at any time during the 3 year service period that I become dis-satisfied with the account that they give me (i.e...it slows down miserably and acts like a residential account) they will at their cost, upon my request, have DSL service from the phone company installed with their fastest account and they will pay the bill for the rest of my 3 year period that I would have had with them. This may come as a lump sum payment when the time comes. Of course i will lose the Road Runner service at that time.

There were a few other minor things for both them and me but this is the important stuff. I will not need to sign a new contract. They kinda balked at first on the 3 year service thing saying it was vague and offered no limits. I just sit for about maybe a minute - silent- and told them "Ladies and Gentlemen, have you seen your own sales literature ?". I explained it to them a little , showed examples, and they agreed. Oh yeah and I told them that I did not want any more phone calls from them trying to sell me something, that I wanted my phone number removed from their sales database - or what ever you call it).

I guess I won, got a fast account (either way - DSL if I get "dis-satisfied") and money to boot. Sounds like a pretty fair deal.

Well like I said thats the high points.

Xzaver
07-10-00, 06:20 PM
violent,

Watch out.

They might bight back , And if they do they will leave teeth marks.

V..^`.V.^`.V.

Make sure to put a clause in the contract that you admit to absolutely nothing and all information is given anounymousely.

You should also have the contract looked at by a good contract lawyer.

Good luck.
-Xzaver-

PostalBunny
07-10-00, 09:27 PM
Not to flame or anything... but i have a rr modem and get about 300k/s x 8bits per byte = 2,400,000 bits per second which is 2.4Mbps.

You said you're getting 27Mbs which is 17 more Megabits per second than you can get on a 10Mbps card... which seems rather odd to me! Normal functioning is usually 5-8Mbps on a network with a switch rather than a hub... if you have your **** setup GOOD and have excelent hardware. Did you manage to switch that 10/100 NIC to 100Mps or sometin crazy? http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

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spock
07-10-00, 10:22 PM
I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.

PostalBunny
07-10-00, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by spock:
I don't know about some of you, but I think some of this story seems to be blown up it sounds to me. If RR was so scared stiff about those codes gettin' out (which they still easily could if they exsist), instead of them makin' "a deal" why didn't they go out and get they're 100k per year programmers to write scripts to block these "codes" that unlocked these codes. Just a thought.

They're distributing toshiba modems now... and I got real friendly with the modem installer and he said they don't cap the modems... if that's true or not =) However, 27Mbps on a 10Mbps card?!?!, and a deal after the court case was dismissed... deal for what? he didn't give up his cable... so they made a deal to install cable and give him 3 years of business DSL so he wouldn't sue them for $1,000 in lawyer fees? doubt it, he wanted attention... and he didn't email his packet sniffing logs to anyone... and if he did it would probably look like DHCP server requests http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif If they are capped, then it is probably set like a cayman or linksys router by telneting into the damn things, or by eprom. If it is sent over the cable then NO it will not go throught the ethernet cable, just through the coaxal cable. Ever put your cable modem's NIC in promiscuous mode... see any of your neighbors tcp/ip flowing, cuz i didn't...

sorry... got a little irate at the wrong piggly wiggly http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif



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NeoGuyver
07-10-00, 11:12 PM
spock: The reason they can't send the codes, is because thats EXACTLY what violent blocked out. By going into his diagnostic mode, the modem rejects the information about the CAP from the headend.

PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.

But who knows, this could turn out where you are totally right, but hope lives on!

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Richson
07-11-00, 12:20 AM
Wow, what a cool thread, wtfg Violent give em hell !!!
I sure would like the sniffer logs if ya have the time richtyson@carolina.rr.com

legalmind
07-11-00, 06:48 AM
I find this a very good story. Thats about all I can say due to lack of proof.
When asked for proof,a deal is made within minutes?
Believe it if you want or not.
This whole story has a strange smell about it. The part that tipped me off was the quick"deal". What better way to get out of offering proof,"the deal".
Just offer proof to just one person whom you trust that runs this website. Just one,not two,three or more. Do that and I will say that I was sorry for not believing you.

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jdindino
07-11-00, 07:32 AM
Anyone else thinking this smells like an URBAN LEGEND or is it just me?????

Kip Patterson
07-11-00, 07:52 AM
I've said that for days. I like the concept of urban legend.

How about changing the title of the thread to "The Great Byte Theft"

By the way, RoadRunner does not provide cable modem service to anyone, anywhere. None of their licensees, or whatever you want to call the cable companies, provide 10 mbit upload because none of them has a cable system that will support it. Motorola does not have a support number for the Cybersurfr modem. He did not get a call from his attorney telling him he would not be prosecuted after he was found innocent. No one can appeal an innocent verdict. Can't get 10 mbit download, either. Goes on and on.

dan2525
07-11-00, 01:18 PM
John - Can you e-mail me the blueprints for the steel underwear?

John
07-11-00, 01:22 PM
I will put them up on my server, they will be there for all to check out once I am done the design.

John
07-11-00, 01:35 PM
Done! I got the blueprints from Roadrunner themselves:

http://www.speedcorp.net/images/rr.gif

dan2525
07-11-00, 01:44 PM
But they made you promise not to hand out the keys, right?

PostalBunny
07-11-00, 02:33 PM
PostalBunny: I don't beleive he said anything about his network being 10MBPS. He MAY have upgraded and the lawsuit could be for much more than $1000. PLUS, they're probably not scrared of him sueing, they are probably more afraid of what would happen IF he sent out the codes. It'd be chaos, no matter what Cable ISP.

27Mbps down and 500k/s (4Mbps) = 31Mbps which is 1 Mbps more than the network can handle... even if it was all configured correctly and running at MAX speed. Ever take a look at your switch on 100Mbps network transmitting files? 34Mbps...

Anyhow, they're not afraid of him sueing with his sister... i'm looking at the service contract right now.

"Subscriber will not open, alter, misuse, tamper with or remove the Equipment as and where installed by Texas Cable Partners, and will not remove any markins or labels from the Equipment indicating Texas Cable Partners ownership or serial or identity numbers."

"...residential service offered for person, non-commercial use...Subscriber further agres not to connect the cable modem to any computer other thant he Computer(s) or to any server..."
"texas Cable Partners and erviceco shall have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace the equip and software from time to time through "downloads" form the network or otherwise".
"ServiceCo may employ such means to limit the throughput available throug individual modems whether or not provided by Texas Cable Partners"
"restrict, prohibit or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person to use or enjoy the Road Runner service including, but not limited to, posting or transmitting any..."

Even if he did "uncap" his modem at his side he was interfering with his neighbors using of the rr service and he DID modify the modem which he is NOT allowed to do. If he was in court, he would have LOST hands down and they would not be making deals with him after they ALREADY LOST.

And just a note... with dsl you communicate on certain freq on the spectrum and some dsl modems do not work on sbc because they are tailored to odd specifications. After talking with representatives from Efficient Networks which make the modems, they informed me that if you tamper with your modem to communicate on wider freq it will just not be able to get sync. The information downloading to your computer is controle at the router the cable co owns, not the modem. Just like a switch, THEY decide how fast you download there and not where you are at. Ever have your service upgraded to faster rates? The so-called business service, is upgraded from their side, a cable guy dose not come to your house to "flash" your modem with special codes to allow it to dl/ul faster. They program the router you are connected to to ALLOW your modem to xmit faster.

PostalBunny
07-11-00, 02:40 PM
One more thing I forgot to add... if you can read what I posted with the spellin errors http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

I work for dsl tech supp, if someone calls up and is not getting the xmit rates they are supposed to I can call Broadband and there they can program the frame relay to upgrade them to 1.5/128 instead of fixed 384/128 which is capped. I'm damn sure cable works the same way, the rr will want the ability to charge businesses for MORE bandwidth just like dsl.

Just a note, did anyone get his "sniffer" logs? Cuz I don't believe that they exist. What he may have been hearing is similar to a tool we have here that checks to see if your modem has SYNC (the cable light is green, or dsl light for us). Also, a ATM ping tool which sends a packet to the redback (router) and gets bounced back if you're not setup on the router or gets sent to the modem and back. Usefull tool to see if someone has been "provisioned" or setup on the router correctly (when they have sync but get timeouts while trying to connect).

drewwpb
07-11-00, 02:47 PM
How knows John he must have plenty of free time on his hands and maybe he is the "Keeper of the Keys".......

martialcomp
07-11-00, 02:58 PM
Hey, Violent (guess that is what they call you in state prison) it is a little late for April fools jokes. I do have to give you credit for starting one of the most interesting threads ever on this board. You should start a new topic. It should be titled "I can prove the Earth is flat!". And, since you have gone off the deep end, you probably really do think the Earth is flat.

spock
07-11-00, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NeoGuyver:
[B]spock: The reason they can't send the codes, is because thats EXACTLY what violent blocked out. By going into his diagnostic mode, the modem rejects the information about the CAP from the headend.

Right I understand that Neoguyver your point, however I'm sure a good programmer that works for RR (or hired by) could write scripts for the head end to reject any signals from a modem that "blocks" these codes or modems that do not receive these codes that cap the Full Freq. bandwith going to the modem. If the codes aren't received, then the modem does not get a response from the head end. Know what I mean?

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Violent
07-11-00, 04:52 PM
martialcomp : This is just for you - in reply to you.

For the rest of you , any inferences that this is intended for anyone else except martialcomp is purely a mistake on my part and I apologize in advance.

hmmm,,,you really think the earth is flat ? hmmm interesting theory,,hmmm...wait a second - the earth is round, know it for a fact.

I find in life that pseudo intellectuals (want me to phonetically spell that out for you? ,,big word,,,can you handle that ?) like yourself frequently resort to lower based life form references when they just can not see beyond their own short commings or ignorance. The refusal to believe is not based upon stupidity, it is instead based upon fear of the unknown.

Belief in this subject is not mandatory as you may think. Are you so afraid of something outside your apparent narrow view that you feel you must personally attack me with your childish statements ?

I simply presented something here to show that what was thought (and apparently touted by you and others as your bible - "Oh No! it can not be done because of such and such".)was not true. Taking your own "Flat earth" (like your narrow mind)comment as an example, I said that the earth was "Round" and you decried it just like they did when the round earth theory was first presented. It is a shame that society has not changed much since then , well at least your end of the gene pool hasn't changed much apparently. Thoughts like this and people like you will forever hold back others from growing and learning.

At first when I presented this I thought that "hey this is neat - people are screaming for speed - I can give it to them with this." I did not reveal the method that is true for a couple of reasons:

1. When I posted I thought that "Yeah right, this thread will die real quick because most will not believe." . I guess you kind of proved that point.

2. After I posted the initial thread I thought "Now that I have this information, what responsibilities do I have towards it ?"

3. I also thought "What are the legal implications of posting this information ?"

But alas, you failed to think beyond your snotty little nose and consider things like this.

Frankly I find your comments offensive , un-called for, and totally out of place and context. However, I am an adult (which you may or may not be - haven't seen any evidence of it yet) and as such have learned to overlook the fools in life such as you.

WHAT ! you find my comments offensive also ? Are my comments offensive ? Too bad,,,or should I translate for you like this : ,,,BWAhhhhhh! he started it, he started it !

To the rest of you I apologize. I know this is flaming I guess and that is not the intended use for this forum. I will post the information and the codes and the method and how to enter them elsewhere. I will probably be banned from the board after this , so good by and farewell,,,except you martialcomp, to you I say - watch out for your own shoe laces.


Originally posted by martialcomp:
Hey, Violent (guess that is what they call you in state prison) it is a little late for April fools jokes. I do have to give you credit for starting one of the most interesting threads ever on this board. You should start a new topic. It should be titled "I can prove the Earth is flat!". And, since you have gone off the deep end, you probably really do think the Earth is flat.



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Ikarus
07-11-00, 05:10 PM
Postal said:
I'm damn sure cable works the same way, the rr will want the ability to charge businesses for MORE bandwidth just like dsl.

Postal Bunny, the modems can be capped via settings sent to the cable modem upon initialization. Thats why with many cable modems you see speed throttling when you first start a download in IE at like 250KB+/sec. Your modem throttles you down via settings sent via either TFTP or SNMP to the modem everytime you reset or re-initialize it. You can get around this and telnet into the modem. I know this because I can do this to my own modem. Although I cannot change the speed of it without being caught by my ISP, I could tftp configuration changes (i.e. a new firmware that resets the modem to default) via the head end through the RF interface. This is how they sell packages of bandwidth via @home as far as I know they look up your modems IP/MAC address informaton so that when you connect you are sent the right bandwidth configuration.

Even though I doubt the speeds he is getting it is certainly feasable to uncap cable modems via wherever one happens to be and not needing to be at the headend depending on how your isp runs their cable system.

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PostalBunny
07-11-00, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Ikarus:
Even though I doubt the speeds he is getting it is certainly feasable to uncap cable modems via wherever one happens to be and not needing to be at the headend depending on how your isp runs their cable system.

I see where that might be applicable, but DSL also jumps quiet fast for the first 3 megs of download on IE. I witness this when we first installed the dsl. I can just about garantee that they can prevent him from downloading information at such high rates by limiting the amount of data that he can download from their router, which can be done on the crappiest router... if they had to, they could just attach a $100 router to the cable that runs to his house to bottleneck his line http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif However, the rr contract states that "have the right to upgrade, modify, enhance and replace...to limit the throughput available through individual modems...". So either/or and possibly both at the head office and at the modem they can and will cap his modem to prevent him from getting that 27Mbps download which I'm pretty sure the modem would not be getting if it was plugged right next to the router at the CableCo's Central Office equiv.

Bottom line, he's lying because he said he made a deal with rr... after he won the supposed case. They would make a deal for him to drop charges, if he brough them up. And if he had brought charges up, he would have lost because of those MANY clauses in his contract... which if interpreted by the right lawyer mean you can't send or recieve ANY information =)

And his statement that he modified his modem to get a service he paid for is wrong... all ISP's have a clause that there may be network problems occasionaly blahblah... so damaging hardware and stealing bandwidth that belongs to other rr customers is violating the contract to get something that wasn't garanteed in the contract (which is the bandwidth the modem waasn't configured for).


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dan2525
07-11-00, 08:12 PM
You basically take away chunks of bandwidth by changing the modem's QOS (quality of service) profile. This is done at the UBR in the headend. There are typically several QOS profile levels that can be used.
I really don't know what to make of all this as far as truthfulness but a couple of points are valid either way:
1. Marketing-types control the way speeds are presented and hyped and we all know that's a bad thing. Certainly techs hate it. It's a distasteful part of life in the developed world that we're all misled about everything to some degree by advertising; I wish it wasn't this way but I'm not sure what to do about it. The only thing I know for sure is not to believe everything I hear and to protect myself by researching products before I spend money on them.
2. Another thing we all know is that the cable modem system is a shared network. When you use more than your agreed upon bandwidth it is taken from somewhere, specifically other customers. It's not like the old getting-HBO-for-free thing where it doesn't affect anyone else on the block and only results in lost revenue for the company. The primary people hurt are others paying the same price as the offender. As far as this goes I guess you either care or you don't.

Until the technology changes, as it surely will, we're all sharing, and we either learned how to share in kindergarten or we didn't.

jaza27
07-11-00, 08:23 PM
[QUOTE]I will post the information and the codes and the method and how to enter them elsewhere.

I have been neutral towards this entire post actually leaning towards believing him. But for him to say this it makes me think just the opposite. If I say something and people don't believe me then I always want to give them proof just to show them I was right. That's when u get your satisfaction. If you just leave, then probably everyone on this board will think you were lying. That's just my opinion, I would always want to prove I'm right unless I'm wrong and then u just have to come out and admit it.

jaza27
07-11-00, 08:26 PM
double post deleted sorry

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TonyT
07-11-00, 08:34 PM
violent
Well done on getting a deal w/ them.
Now, you sound like a responsable person. It is evident in some of your replies. Just do the right thing. You already know what it is!

Who gives a s*** whether or not you are believed by all. Keep your own councel.

for all other speedguide members
BTW, those jail panties will soon be available for $24.95 US at http://www.speedcorp.net in the not too distant future. Plus shipping. For those already incarcerated geeks, shipping is free!
Oh crap, I dropped the soap..........hey..........stop that.....wha....what are you doing!%^$#......hey ..cut it out....ou.ouch....YEEEOWch!

gotta run, Bubba waits.....

Bouncer
07-11-00, 10:22 PM
My understanding is that the cable modem "ranges" when first turned on to find the operating spectrum. It then contacts the headend via internal settings (an ip address), where a file is sent via tftp to the modem with the appropriate settings.

Since that's the case, two things must occur for you to uncap a modem operating in this manner. First, you must change the configuration file. Second, you must then get that file onto the tftp server at the headend, and have the modem call to that file for it's settings.

Which means, you'd have to break into the headend tftp server, and store the file there. In addition, you'd have to somehow convince the headend that this is a valid file, and a valid group of settings. Which means you either replace some existing file on the headend device, or you use some other method to verify the validity of this file to the headend.

How you would aquire all this information via a sniffer program would be a very unique trick.

Regards,
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lvslr
07-11-00, 11:49 PM
Bouncer,

You are 100 percent correct about that. To add to what you said:

1. Each modem is assigned a QOS which includes, base line privacy, what settings there modem is set at the IP address if DHCP and TOD stamp.

2. At anytime if the cable modem varies from what the head-end has for its MAC address, it resends the config file, and if the modem doesn't accept it the modem is denied access.

3. As you stated all of this is done through TFTP, and all of the config files are kept at the head-end.

In my personal opinion Violent never could do this to his modem and if he did the cable-head-end would not allow him access to the Internet because his file differs from the config files assigned.

And if he did all they would have to do is force reset him, from the head-end and his modem would take the config file assigned.

Yes there is software out there that can be used to diagnose cable modem problems from the head-end, or at the clients house but they are well controlled and they still would not allow you to gain enough info to write the proper config file. And if you was to try and write a config file for your modem it would have to be done in the same program language as all the other config files and that is well kept to. And if you was able to get that far and upload it to the cable head end, the ISP could tell that the file was placed there and delete it.

I am personally fed up with this malarky, and i am so close to calling RR and personally asking them if this ever happened.

That is my opinion so you belivers of Violents doing go ahead and flame away.

drewwpb
07-12-00, 12:08 AM
I've been reading this thread for the past week and I have to tell you that it sounds a little to good to be true....Let's see they give you a business account for free for 3 yrs, wire your whole house for free ,agree to stop calling you , pay your sisters legal fees, agree to pay for DSL if you don't like your cable ,keep your current cable modem and all RR wants is for you to turn over the codes and how you did it and agree NOT to release the codes...Hummm ,BUT after 3 months if you so choose you CAN release the codes...I find that RR would agree to that...Now what do I think really happen....I think you did find the codes ,you did uncap your modem ,you did get arrested, you did go to court,BUT you were found GUILTY and now you are serving 2 to 5 in your state prision and all of this is wishful thinking....

John
07-12-00, 12:12 AM
you were found GUILTY and now you are serving 2 to 5 in your state prision and all of this is wishful thinking....

If I was going to go to prison I don't think I would come visit speedguide.net and make up stories... I would be to busy constructing some sort of steel underwear with a lock!

Ikarus
07-12-00, 12:30 AM
Thumbs up john! heh. I believe any of you really want to know the story. You can check the ip log of this board contact the admin of the 'anonymous proxy' server to check his logs to find out Viloents real IP.

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Kip Patterson
07-12-00, 12:47 AM
Look, we're talking computer geek here - not even the most hardened and deprived con would stoop that low. None of us needs steel underwear.

Ikarus
07-12-00, 02:49 AM
http://www.descent3.net/temp/aa.jpg

As you can see you can telnet the modem and it asks you for a password. I'm telnetting my modem via NT. :P So I'm still curious to whether this whole bit is true or not.

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Evangelion-01
07-12-00, 02:51 AM
i wanna see a pic of this UL and DL speed

Ikarus
07-12-00, 03:08 AM
You wanna see speed? this is speed:

http://www.descent3.net/temp/speed.jpg

lol! Now if only it stayed that way. http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Chastan
07-12-00, 03:10 AM
Hey Ikarus, I know I may be asking an idiotic question, but is that IP address of your cable modem internal to the network, or is that your internet IP? How would I get access to mine?

Chastan
07-12-00, 03:12 AM
Are you sure you aren't just running the telnet service under NT?

Ikarus
07-12-00, 03:50 AM
I'm 100% sure. You don't want me to whip out another one of my 'illustrated jpegs' do you? http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/wink.gif

http://www.descent3.net/temp/cmodem.jpg

Oh well, I couldn't help myself. :P

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MtCableman
07-12-00, 01:35 PM
Ikarus is right, you can TELNET to the MODEM if you know the password. I am not sure what you will find on the other side. I am sure if it could be changed that the headend would change it back to the original settings.

As for Violent, RRunner could just terminate his service whenever they wanted to. They do not have to serve him at all. I think this is an excellent "STORY".....

I don't believe it. No proof and I don't think anyone in thier right mind would agree with those type of terms......"free service" 3 years?, Pay for a switch to the competitor?, I doubt it!

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Violent
07-12-00, 06:00 PM
How do I post pics to the board ?

NeoGuyver
07-12-00, 06:07 PM
First get a pic (which I will assume you have already done). Then send the pic to me and I will post it on my webspace and give the link to you, me Email be DarkGuyver@home.net

OR, you can do it yourself. just post the link to your pic.

NeoGuyver
07-12-00, 06:09 PM
See?

http://www.crosswinds.net/~neoguyver/GuyverHead5.jpg

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56kman
07-12-00, 06:52 PM
Send me them codes also please!!!!!!!!!! mman52@hotmail.com

downhill
07-12-00, 06:52 PM
Well as you can see,NeoGuyver,Crosswinds dosn't allow linking.
You might try using Easyspace or Virtual Ave.
http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

mig125
07-12-00, 06:56 PM
At first I belived Violent, but after reading his "settlement" - that really sounded like a BS.
One very simple thing you could do to set this thing:
Scan the page of the verdict, just cross your name and you may cross the seal of the State and the case number - if you don't want people looking into public records.
that's it.
shouldn't take more than 5 min.

aKgLiQuiD
07-12-00, 07:09 PM
Nice arguments sorry kip just relax... please if you would send me the logs

Violent
07-12-00, 07:16 PM
NeoGyver - Thank you for your kind offer - Maybe I could instead send them to one of the moderators. I think sending it to one of the moderators would be best

mig25 - is that mig like the russian fighter ? Anyway, as soon as I get access to a scanner I might scan the court docs. I do not have a scanner but I will get access to one. When I do I will post the court docs. Of course they will be edited to remove references to the court - names - and location - sorry folks this is the way it has to be. It will take me a few days, so please martialcomp dont hold your breath.

Moderator - please respond giving your permission for me to send the files to you, and an email address also please?

The two pics I am going to send will be two pics showing u/l and d/l speed using internet explorer for the download and leapftp for the upload.

The operating system is Windows Millennium.Before any one says "ohhh ,,,but it must be a warezed copy because it isn't for sale yet", I was a MS beta tester for Millennium and am using the free copy that all beta testers get. Leap FTP is fully purchased and registered,version 2.6.2, and of course the cable modem and the 3com NIC. The pics are screen shots of the screen while the upload or download are taking place. These screen shots were taken with the codes (I guess I should refer to them more as commands) in use.

I also have pics of my last vacation if you would prefer those,,, http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

So when I get a moderators permission to send him the files I will send as soon as possible.

MtCableman
07-12-00, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Violent:
How do I post pics to the board ?


This is from someone who "uncapped" his cable modem?......


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Violent
07-12-00, 07:46 PM
MtCableman
Thats right. I tried to post the pics but it would not let me. Can you post a pic ?



Originally posted by MtCableman:

This is from someone who "uncapped" his cable modem?......

NeoGuyver
07-12-00, 09:22 PM
That is very true Violent. I know you don't know me, so I was hesitant to even offer because I had a feeling you'd rather have someone who is part of this site do it instead. However, you can still do it yourself if you wish, just get some webspace or set up an FTP, type in

(img)Web-address(/img)

Also, use the [ ] brackets instead of the ( ) Brackets. and the image will come right up. I.E. http://www.crosswinds.net/~NeoGuyver/GuyverHead5.jpg = http://www.crosswinds.net/~neoguyver/GuyverHead5.jpg

Brent
07-12-00, 09:22 PM
did you upload them to a server?

send me the pics, I can upload them and put them in

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Violent
07-12-00, 09:48 PM
Brent:

Pics sent to your email

MtCableman
07-12-00, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Violent:
MtCableman
Thats right. I tried to post the pics but it would not let me. Can you post a pic ?



Hmmm let me see.....
http://members.home.net/mtcableman/Qam.gif

Brent
07-12-00, 11:04 PM
These are being posted by request, and there is no endorsement or criticism stated or implied by their posting. I am neither in belief or disbelief, I will leave it up to YOU to decide if you believe it or not. That said here are the pics he sent me to Upload so you all can see them.

http://www.coremeltdown.com/images/speed_down.jpg

http://www.coremeltdown.com/images/speed_up.jpg

"Brent:

These are pics of my upload and down load. For the download I used the same
server that Ikarus used in his posted picture. I figured that using the same
file and server that he did would only be fair. Besides, I dont get these
speeds all the time, the routers and servers you need to pass thru on the net
really slow things down at times.

I wanted to really post pictures before but i wanted to show the speeds out on
the internet not just on my own network where they are reproducable everytime.
Good, fast, servers are few and far between at times. I just happen to get
lucky with the site that Ikarus used for his download. I tried it several
times and the lowest speed that I got from that server was 346 K/sec and well
the highest i could get from it was as shown in the download pic using
internet explorer. I have seen a few sites that offered up to the 1.2 Mb that
I reported previously but they are usually crowded and I must wait till the
wee hours of the morning to get good this type of speed from them.

As far as the upload is concerned, this site has always given me great speeds
for upload. You can see the speed in the picture using Leap FTP. Uploads of
course have the same restrictions as downloads as far as passing thru routers
and things like that. Like I said tho this site was my best chance to get a
good shot of the upload speed as its characteristics are known to me.

These speeds vary at times of course. I never said that they were rock steady
all the time.

At any rate here are the pics. Please post them along with the information in
this email as stated above."

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fanta
07-12-00, 11:13 PM
It's about time Brent!! heh well well well looks like we have something debatable to discuss here. I'm sure the court doc pics would lend a lot of credibilty towards Violent.
Note: Anyone willing to bet that this thread will be the most popular on speedguide?


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Ikarus
07-12-00, 11:39 PM
** I reworded it to avoid further confusion... ** July 13/2000, 1:41 am EST

Sorry boys and girls but the pics he posted were doctored pics. And to see if it was "just me" or my resolution(s) I was running I ran it at ALL of the resolutions and compared download boxes with real screenshots. Sorry but you've been had at least those screenshots of his speeds are bogus. As soon as I saw quake3world I knew something was funny because, the Quake3world speed one I did was a perfect photoshop DOCTORED picture. So I overlayed my DOCTORED PIC over a REAL PIC and the KB/sec and all the text aligned EXACTLY the same as the nondoctored one. So I did the same test with our friends picture against the a REAL SCREENSHOT (i.e. a picture of a real download not a doctored shot). And the numbers and the KB/sec text were misaligned. When I aligned the download is complete text, it aligns ALL OTHER TEXT in the shot including the KB/sec.

I really have never seen 1200KB/sec off my provider and to make credibility matters possibly even worse I *think* (not sure) IE rounds the speed to 1.2 MB when showing the speed. http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

http://www.descent3.net/temp/fake.jpg

To see the higher quality PNG or TGA check out these links - http://www.descent3.net/temp/fake2.png

http://www.descent3.net/temp/fake2.tga

And then right click and zoom in on it for the TGA (I think), the text shouldn't look as fuzzy in the main jpeg since I aligned the "download complete" text and blew that one up via photoshop.

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zeussoft2
07-13-00, 12:13 AM
Hah.....ive been a silent reader for about 8 months now and i was laughing my head off at this whole topic......i knew it was all bull****.....and now its been proved. It doesnt take a genius to figure out how to blow something up bigger with different screen resolutions http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif
its obvious you will never get any of that speed and that guy is just jealous and thinks hes all cool....now hes been proven wrong....and yo Ikarus...post the upload one too http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif I bet its like 15 k/sec etc.......just shows how far some people will go to get attention, sheesh i pity this guy...whats he gonna say in his comeback? Ikarus edited them?? Or he will probably not say anything at all http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif I say Speedguide.net should start off a 'lies database' featuring Violent.....It doesnt take much to prove your bull****ting http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif All it actually takes is that screenshot and a paint program to figure out if someones bull****ting. Once again I laugh at this poor soul Violent....The man who wishes he got those speeds and thinks hes a hacker......Hey im gonna email RR with this entire thread http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif See what they think of this lamer :-).....Anyways ha ha ha......I pity being a loser like Violent who cant get attention in real life so he tries to get it on the net by his ability to lie and try to make people believe it.

ConfusedAsHell
07-13-00, 12:25 AM
I think you were looking at the wrong screenshot. His wasn't the one with the 1206 speed. His was the one with the 989 speed. I blew it up pretty big and it looked good to me. I not saying the whole thing is real...but I HAVEN'T seen any proof that it's not from all you bashers.

MtCableman
07-13-00, 12:29 AM
His speeds are not the issue here. Uncapping and the legal matter is! I still think that this is the biggest hoax on this forum.

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Ikarus
07-13-00, 12:38 AM
No I wasn't I overlayed HIS SCREENSHOT (the 989 one on top of a REAL ONE. The screenshot I doctored was PERFECT and there was no KB/sec TEXT MISALIGNMENT like our friends.

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Evangelion-01
07-13-00, 12:44 AM
Yeah i thought they looked doctored.....the 989 is spaced out a little bit too much too

MtCableman
07-13-00, 12:56 AM
It worked!!!

Check this speed out!!!

http://members.home.net/mtcableman/beatthis.jpg

NOT!!!

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loosbrew
07-13-00, 02:26 AM
ROTFLMAO!!!!! this soapopera kept us amused for quite a while while at work! man, what a great story. not saying its true or not, but still a great freakin story. thanx for a good read.

loosbrew

martialcomp
07-13-00, 03:14 AM
Good Job Ikarus. I am glad that this has been figured out. But, until then, I want to see if we can get the number of postings in this thread to 300!

vcao
07-13-00, 03:52 AM
Can I take a peek at those codes. I don't have cable, only DSL. I just want to see the structure and such.

Pass them to victor@e-imago.com
Good job Violent, and best wishes.

Thanks,
VcAo

Violent
07-13-00, 09:31 AM
Ok I give up. Plain and simple. You asked for pics, I sent you pics. Then when I began to offer proof you guys try to tear it apart. I use the same files and servers you guys do and get better speeds and you get jelous. What can I say. The pics I sent are true and real. If Ikarus doctored his pics, as they obviously were when they they were first posted, then so what ? I used the same standard that his pic showed and beat him. Now he offers another one of his own doctored pics to prove what ? He's comparing his own doctored pics and use those to say mine were fake ? I guess I just do not understand. I will continue to enjoy these high speeds, the rest of ya just continue to enjoy being in the basement near the 56 K modems. Thanks and good bye.

wee96
07-13-00, 09:43 AM
Look how spaced out the letters are in violents pic HAHAHAHA

ChromaZone
07-13-00, 10:59 AM
Ok Ok Ok, Get this!

Most people here have used the SPEEDGUIDE tweaks (settings) right? RIGHT! So, just becuase VIOLENT changed his settings and OBTAINED extrodinary performance why are we all so upset at his facts? We have applied SPEEDGUIDE settings to GAIN optimum performace from our DSL/CABLE connections so infact are we not just as GUILTY as he is being blamed for? If we can use all these freeware/shareware that is floating around to BOOST are connection speed then we too are STEALING our NEIGHBOURS bandwidths, and therefore shouldn't we stop!? Anyway that's my .02 cents!

P.S. BRENT and all MODERATORS of this forum, SORRY for having to mention your tweaks in this mesage as a reference. I mean no harm by it, I just wanted so show a small point!

ALSO..this topic is VERY interesting!


Cheers,
ChromaZone

wee96
07-13-00, 11:17 AM
The speedguide tweaks in no way change your upstream cap. They allow your downstream to reach its ALLOWED speed by the cable company, and it in no way steals bandwidth from other users. Sending upstream signals over a node hogs the bandwidth much faster, just like when your uploading a file, browsing becomes alot slower, etc.

Ikarus
07-13-00, 01:00 PM
Sorry violent you've been caught. Your text should not be one pixel beneath the KB box when the shot is overlayed leaving a shadow. I checked at all resolutions and the font size text is EXACTLY the same in your picture and you did not resize because the text and both edges match. I used the transparency layering in photoshop, I'm sorry if you felt you had to lie to us about your speeds especially when you really only were getting 89KB sec on that quake3 point release download. On top of that you send DOCTORED speed pictures only and no scanned court/legal documents you WOULD HAVE and would have access to if you ever went to court. Then you come here post and still try to hold on to your lie after you've been found out. I'm sorry but that is pathetic man. As soon as I saw "tempz" in the Q3world screenshot, I knew you were just a warezing kid trying to get our attention. I can send you the PSD files if you wish they have your picture overlayed on top of a real download. I did another test last night I setup IIS on NT4 and downloaded a file with IE through a 10Mbps card running @ about 900K and it did not have the problems your shots do, let's just face it, you've been found out and your credibility has been demolished by scientific investigation. You are the one that started this whole thread and I think you owe at the very least everyone an apology for wasting their time.

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Lex Luthor
07-13-00, 01:31 PM
Ikarus,

I'm sorry if I am missing it or something, but photo editing isn't my specialty.

Can you explain clearly as to how you know for certain the screenshots are fakes?

I'd appreciate the clarification.

Thanks!
Lex

wee96
07-13-00, 02:16 PM
Look at the spacing, look at the placement of the text on the upload speed, its not even with the programs window, might have to go into photoshop for you people who need glasses, but its obvious if you look at it.

ssjDoh
07-13-00, 03:01 PM
Hey Violent, try this...send a file to Brent or John (they get fast downloads) and have them say how fast they downloaded from you. I'm sure a mod won't lie http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

zeussoft2
07-13-00, 03:26 PM
He wont do that :-).....his excuse would be something like "I dont know how to send someone a file..." just like when people asked him to post the .jpg files on his website host he said it wouldnt let him do that......what web host would not let you upload picture files???

Its obvious the guys just been caught bull****ting and hes going to lie even more just to make himself look like the stupid lamer he is.

Brent
07-13-00, 03:40 PM
I'm up for the challange, My download cap is at 10Mbps.

I have ICQ so you can either ICQ me to do it over that, or I can setup an FTP Server for you to log in and send me something, either way http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

zeussoft2
07-13-00, 03:46 PM
its obvious hes just going to lie more. hes been caught bull****ting....its obvious....and now all he will do is lie to make it look like he was telling the truth....i mean come on......its obvious hes just trying to get attention.
1) RR would have cancelled his cable internet before taking him to court
2) Takes months to get to court.....not just a few days.
3) Look at the picture files.....just use photoshop and paint, change the 'res, and voila.
4) His excuse to not post them on a website was "The host would not let me upload .jpg files" Thats a load of crap.
5) You wouldnt win a court case by saying you were getting the speed which you are paying for.....985 KB/sec......thats like 7.2 mbps.....the fastest you will ever get is 1.5 mbps, off any cable modem...thats the restriction to each user....even if you do uncap your CAP, i doubt you can get past the restriction and get into the head computer, change the file matching exactly the settings which you have at your home and change everything with hopes that there isnt any security alarms installed in the cable office......Thats pretty funny though. And if you read in the RR TOS youd read that you cant tamper with the modem to damage the network....and if you were getting 7.2 MBPS thats leaving 2.7 MBPS for everyone else to use....and thats not just hogging bandwidth...that can be considered damaging equiptment too.....So in that case if you did actually take away your CAP you still wouldnt be getting 7.2 MBPS......Try about 1.5 MBPS, about the speed of a t1. If you got any faster then that you can damn well expect to get service revoked instantly and get sued for more money then you will ever have. And that nice little excuse you think you got away out of court with "Im paying for and getting what it says on the RR site" which is 1.5 MBPS and then posting screenshots of you downloading at 7.2 MBPS, that just proves that that excuse you think you got out of court was just a bunch of bull****. and if you had went to court, long before the day of the court the police would of came and taken away your computer, just like they would to anyone who damages computer systems with a computer.

You can believe violent all you want http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif But one of these days hes gonna post something really bogus by mistake and will show that everything he said was all a bunch of horse****.

BTW I doubt he will ever send anything to any moderators......he'll use an excuse like "I dont have ICQ, AOL, mIRC, or any other file transfer protocols" or something else thats dumb like that.

I laugh at this guy.....hes just another one of the many who dreams of getting that speed....only difference is he actually thinks he is but there is no real proof....Anybody can edit a screenshot with paint to change the speed and percentage....not that hard. I dont think Ikarus is the one who edits the photos....hes been around here much longer then Violent, I think i'd know who to believe when they say the other person edited the photos :-) and i think you all should to....if anyone here believes him.....well i pity you

Violent
07-13-00, 04:45 PM
Ikarus:

I am using windows Millennium (I am using the free complimentary that MS sends to all its beta testers after the beta is complete) This is the way it puts the information in the block. The font is the one used by Millennium. I used the same server and file you did in your doctored screen shots. I played by your requests (sent pics) and by the rules set by you, and now I didn't play the game fairly and your upset ?

I have three dirs on the hard drive labeled tempx - tempy - tempz. I also have three labeled tempa - tempb- and tempc. These are dirs I use on projects for work to keep things seperated. So what , now someone is prohibited for using the letter "z" in a name for a file or dir because this is scientific proof that someone does warez ? BullS**T. All it proves is that I named the directory what I wanted to name it. So the letter "z" is outlawed for use now ? By whose standards - yours ? Why not just go ahead and use your scietific endeavors to point out that books should be burned as well because they use the alphabet ? Better yet , lobby your congressman to outlaw the alphabet because it is clearly, according to your scietific evidence,the root of all evil and crime?

On the contrary - your doctored pics prove only one thing - that your supposed scientific evidence is the product of your own fevered drive to prove yourself right and someone else wrong. I presented a topic that has lately become wildly sucessful, offers the truth, and you did not do it first so the attention is not on you. So what do you do - why of course - scientific investigation. Oh Please - give me a break.

So you overlayed the pics - big deal - what screen resolution did you use ? Which color depth ? How did you do your screen captures ? Which software did you use to do it with? Heck, even the dot pitch on your monitor could be different then mine.I did mine with the windows screen shot deal (alt - print screen / which copies it to the clipboard) then opened paint - pasted it - the saved it. I did it this way to preserve the information as truely as possible. In short I used the same environment to do the screen shots and did not resort to any third part software. Why not do it this way - because windows already has the stuff built in so why not use it. I did not resort to any third pary software to do the pictures except for what I used to convert them to .jpg files for emailing. Because of the file size of a Bmp image (which is much larger) I used VuePro to convert it to a .jpg image to send to Brent since .jpg files are smaller.Your so called scietific evidence is flawed from its very beginning. The wise thing to have done would have been to duplicate the environment as closely as possible, as a control. Scientific evidence - what a bunch of horseS**T..

Scientific ? No I dont think so . Graphic genius ? nope! Did you comapre the pics for broken lines ? Differences in color shading ? evidences for tampering ? No none of these - and had you done your home work and remotely even known what you were talking about and done these things you would have found that everything is consistant with the pics, that there are no irregularities. Come back in a few months after you have purchased windows millennium -duplicate my computer environment as closely as possible and then tell me what you find. You will not find anything wrong.

Regarding your so called scientific endevors -One pixel ? What balderdash! any number of things could account for that - the things I mentioned above - your own eyesight in alignment - the software its self, differences from video card to video card - any number of things - even differences on my own machine will make things appear minutely to grossely different on another one. Evidently you were at lunch during science class at school because then you would have know that an experiment without controls is useless.

How do we know that you have not doctored your pics to show what you wanted them to show ?

Do I owe someone an apology ? NOPE! Things happened just the way I said. The pics are real- straight screen shots with no alterations what so ever.

Plain and simple - You guys wanted pics - I started sending them - was gonna do the court docs in a few days (as soon as I could get to a friends scanner). It doesnt matter what I do. Your so called scientific endevors (flawed tho they are and a waste of your time) will only serve to point out that it would be a waste of my time because they do not match your version of what you think should be. Even if I did send the court docs, within a few hours I would then be subject to "scientific evidence" because of a puncuation mistake when they were typed up or because that double spacing was used in some of the documents or because you did not think the dates were right or because of your scientific evidence that because I blocked out my name in the docs and other personal information. You would say because of your "scientific" investigation of the scanned docs that they did not match up with your own scanned library card or something else as stupid.

Why am I even doing this ? Because I wanted to share it with those that have wanted for so long to do something about what they thought was a crappy service. So what did I do? Came to a forum that was known (at least was) for the sharing of new ideas, an open forum where one could post something to share regarding a shared common interest. I just got caught up in my own moral delima of if I were going to post the codes and method or not - and you know what I am glad now that I did not do it because I am sure that someone with a narrow mind would have been on the phone with Road Runner immediately. I decided not to at the time and for that you can not understand why I have not presented the information ?

You are the type that wants to just argue for the sake of argument aren't you ? Your the type that if he can't have it then he doesn't want anyone to have it, aren't you ? Are you related to martialcomp in some way ?

So because of your so called scientific investigation you attempt to persuade people to your side of the issue. I think these things were also done during the crusades and the inquisition. So I guess the nuts are truly running the asylum.

The screen shots I provided are real - undoctored - and are actually taken at the time of the associated activities - upload and download with the uncapped cable modem in Windows Millennium.

I will not even bother to respond to such crap as your so called scientific investigation any longer - I dont care what you think - it does not matter to me what you think - the information I presented is true, plain and simple. If anyone is owed an apology here - its me apologizing to my self for wasting my time. I owe no one a apology for telling the truth and presenting a new way to do things.




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zeussoft2
07-13-00, 05:01 PM
Ikarus:

To prove to the world hes just a lying idiot....tell the whole world how you got that pic you posted........What program you used, what you did, and exactly how you did it please :-)....then im sure everyone will do it and see how much of a loser this Violent guy really is.....Now Violents saying how hes leaving.....i bet you hes figuring it out that people are catching on to his lies.

Anyways if you can do that and it turns out the same for everyone then we'll know whos the real bull****ter http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

Prey521
07-13-00, 05:04 PM
Hey Violent,

I'm behind you all the way, there are way too many playa hataz in here. Especially Ikarus, yeesh. I really don't think that Voilent would go through all this trouble, typing those long ass posts, just to prove that he is right. You go Violent, and hey, steal all the bandwidth you want cuz it aint mine, http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/tongue.gif L8rz http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/tongue.gif



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downhill
07-13-00, 05:35 PM
http://m3.easyspace.com/downhillin/gifs/sheesh.jpg

What in the world is with all the name calling.

If he's spoofing..so what? Prove him wrong..and leave all the name calling out..

And Violent does have a point...

If Ikarus can layer and see what the difference is...he can also doctor it to what he wants to post too. Easy as pie...

So it looks like a stand off in that respect to me...simply because you can't prove that Violent doctored those picts and you can't prove Ikarus didn't...In fact, you can't prove that Brent didn't play with them before uploading to his server.


All this is supposition...so, if your named here...don't take offence...because there is none intended http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

I use Paint Shop Pro..but I can't duplicate the test because there is no way for me to layer one against the other since I don't have Millennium.

Oh yeah...this should break 300 if the Mods don't lock it......and they should!!!

dan2525
07-13-00, 05:40 PM
Violent - You're obviously a bright guy with better than average general computer skills. You understand the LAN/shared bandwidth concepts of the cable system. I was wondering what sort of response or outcome you were envisioning from your original post? You warned people of all the hassle you went through but you were contemplating sharing the uncapping method. As bright as you are, you must realize that you're situation is unique, localized and based on the findings of what I assume is a lower level court judge (I can't remember if you mention what the court level was) and that the odds of someone else having the same outcome have to be slim to non-existant. You'd also know what would happen if enough people on your node uncapped and that if you released the sniffer logs, you'd have no way of knowing if someone who used them was on your node. Where did you see all this going?

Brent
07-13-00, 05:45 PM
there aint no way I'm closing this thread!

wee96
07-13-00, 06:12 PM
"playa hataz"

good god.....I wont comment on that one.

clover
07-13-00, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Brent:
there aint no way I'm closing this thread!



Good, coz this thread is better than any thriller novel I've read in zonks! http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

clover

(Current odds after 182 posts:
Ikarus et al 4/5
Violent et al 5/4
RR disconnecting 2/1
Draw 10/1
Brent closing thread 50/1
Disneydollars accepted (subject to transparency layering tests)

mig125
07-13-00, 06:29 PM
OK, this whole thing is really touchy...but let's take it one day (one prove) at a time and we will see who will have to apolagize at the end.
I can't wait to see the court documents - at this point I don't think V would go thru all the trouble to make up all that stuff.

By the way: Back in 1959(?) after a military revolution in Greece the letter Z was removed from the greek alphabet - no joke!
Talking 'bout tyranny http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/eek.gif

Picins
07-13-00, 06:43 PM
Well it is true that RR can run Un-Capped... My aunt works for Time Warner in Upstate NY and She And I both Have RR. When Im At her house i download programs from LOCAL FTPS at about 3 megs a sec but at my house i dl at 400k a sec. She once showed me this book that she had got from motorola, she said it had codes and stuff for fixing messed up road runner boxes. the other day i got a config file from her and my internet speed is like 5 to 6X faster. here is a pic of what i dl at now from a screen i took from a "Internet Performance Site". http://fffavorites.bizland.com/MyMax4RR.jpg

Picins Out!

P.S. the pic is not a mock up of a pic either go to the url and see what u get!

Brent
07-13-00, 07:00 PM
Picins 2540kbps translated to KBps is 317KBps, that's normal for cable, nothing special

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The_Sandman
07-13-00, 08:20 PM
that picture proves that its bull. IE does round to the MB. I know because once I actually got for 3 seconds 1MB then it came down to about 400KB.

HongKongPolice
07-13-00, 08:36 PM
Violent, can you PLEASE send me the logs too?
My e-mail is megatron911@home.com
I'm getting over 100ping on my gateway and i upload at around 11K/sec, i'm desperate, please.

Snip
07-13-00, 08:39 PM
Hey violent, I don't want your log, just tell me which network software you used to sniff?

Originally posted by Violent:
Hi folks ,,,i'm kind of new here and I saw an interesting post that I would like to comment on please, if thats ok ?

I just learned today from my lawyer that I was not going to be prosecuted by Road Runner for uncapping my modem. Yep you heard it right.

the story goes like this :

A few months ago I found a way to uncap my motorola cable modem. I had heard that it was impossible to do as everything was handled at the head end. Well this is true it is all handeled at the head end, however there is a hidden diagnostic mode in the motorola modem that motorola can access from on line if need be. In this diagnostic mode there is a setting that allows the motorola people to over ride any control from outside the modem - it however does this constantly in this special mode and allows proper modem functioning at the same time. Motorola accesses this mode thru a telnet type session. this session can be captured if you sniff the session with network software designed for this. this capture takes a little decoding but gives up the codes needed to turn this diagnostic mode on. I discovered this by accident when I called motorola tech support for a problem with something else. I just happened to mention to the tech that was helping me that "my other computer was on line with a cable motorola cable modem. While he was waiting for something else we had a short conversation , he asked "Hows that modem working for you, I have one too." I said It works ok I guess but...",,,he said "I can take a look at it for you if you want", I said No , I'll have to send it to you guys, besides it really belongs to the cable company." He said " Oh no, I can look at it from here. " . Of course I get this erie feeling but say ok. I have a home network and just happen to have been running some software that sniffs the network while doing some testing. So I have the sniffer running and he takes a look at the modem. Said he didn't see anything wrong. I get my other problem solved with motorola and say good by and thanks.
A few days later I get around to looking at the sniffer logs and I see the session from motorola, Now the lightbulb in my brain comes on. I study the log for a good two hours and decide to try a few codes from it. Lo and behold - This thing now d/l's at 1.2 MB sec and uploads at 500 K sec. Previously my d/l's were averaging 500 - 800 k/s which isn't too shabby, but the u/l max was 25 k/sec which is about normal for road runner cable. So anyway I run the cable modem in this special configuration for a couple months. Come home one day to find that i've been disconnected. I call about it and am told that I was disconnected for theft of service and refered to the legal department for further information. So I call legal and am told that they plan to prosecute.

Anyway about a week later I am served with a summons. I call my sister (she's the lawyer) and explain everything to her. Little hint here that I have learned from my sister - always tell your lawyer everything. Anyway she contacts Road Runner, they will not drop the prosecution they say because they feel that I should be made an example. I get to court. My sister makes the argument that the road runner literature that was used to sell the service , which becomes part of the contract, points out the "speeds up to..." statement as a selling point, that I bought the service, have paid the bill religiously, and was mearly excercising my rights under the original contract when I bought the Road Runner service. Road Runner and prosecutor points out that while the original selling point may have been considered part of the contract that to take something that is not clearly given in the contract is illegal and constitutes theft of service. case is continued while the judge ponders this.

Went back to court today and got the judges decision - Ruling : Not Guilty

Road Runner objected - prosecutor objected - Why ?

Judge says " The defendant excercised his rights under the contract as implied by the literature used to sell the service, and the literature that sold the service became part of the contract. While the literature does not specify any certain speed it also does not specify any certain limit other than the one theoricaly possible. The defendant did nothing but attempt to utilize the full extent of the service that he was sold. This does not constitute theft. Not Guilty. the defendant is released."

The judge then ordered Road Runner to turn the service back on. Road Runner refused, but this afternoon my service was back on when I got home after court, and i'm running again un-capped.

End of story - happy ending http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif

So the moral of the story is this : If you run un-capped they will probably arrest you. But there is a way to beat it. Plain and simple I guess, Kids - dont try this at home, cause it is a big hassle.

P.S. Forgot this part. I did get arrested when I got the summons - kinda embarrasing- had to post bail. Only time in my life that I have ever talked with a police officer other than a traffic ticket.

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[This message has been edited by Violent (edited 07-05-2000).]

Violent
07-13-00, 08:39 PM
dan2525:

I guess I wanted to share something that was a good thing for a lot of us. While I am aware that it was a lower court decision and that the ramifications of someone else doing this may entail results that were much different than mine. I dont know what the outcome would be in other cases. Like I indicated in my original thread, I do not suggest that anyone do this.

In reality I was never going to post anything about this incident until that is RR started acting a fool - threating my livelyhood - and having me arrested. I had conteplated it before hand once or twice during the two month period that i was using the codes religously. When I got arrested I thought then that "Those SOB's, could have just called me, sent a letter , email , something".But they didn't, they wanted to make an example out of me. When that happened I posted as soon as possible. People do not realize what a powerful medium the Internet is. However I hesitated posting the codes and method because of the possible legal re-percussions at that time (and still hesitate - for about three months when my obligation is fulfilled under the agreement), and also because of the influence it would have on the net.Can you imagine thousands of people on the internet with cable modes uncapped ? I am sure that a lot of systems would be bought to their knees. I think I have already mentioned that.So then I needed to think and act responsibly.

Where did I see all this going ?

I saw it going into a common pool of collective knowledge. To explain a bit. There are a lot of smart people out there. Some think they are smart, and some not so smart when it comes to technology of this type. If information like this were available in a common pool with all the other accumulated knowledge about cable modem use - the reg tweeks - the trouble shooting tips, I think in time that the cable companies would listen to the people that pay them and keep them in business. That they would began to realize that the people out there have access to the same knowledge, that cable has, about what they are paying for. That a salesman could not sell them a bill of goods anymore with words like "Up to" and "theorically" and then when you try to achieve that, what you thought you were paying for and in reality were sold, people would be able to say "hey wait a minute, I can do that." If this were available and the cable companies thought that they could not control it anymore it would force them in a short while to respond to customer demand and deliver the bill of goods that they sold. This would in the long run be in the cable companies best interest I guess because of the revenue in increased sales and staying ahead of the competition. It would be in our (cable users as a collective) best interest immediately and in the future because it would force cable to stay ahead of its self. What I mean by stay ahead of its self is that company xyz would then update their technology to beat out cable (as DSL is doing in a lot of areas right now) this in turn would force cable to keep ahead of them and so forth and so on. Technology is a canibalistic animal that demands the next one be better and stronger and then feeds upon its self to do that, the little people (subscribers) get what is left from these "feedings". We the subscribers either benefit or suffer from the results so why shouldn't we force the hand that we pay for ?

I was hoping to disclose something that had been kept a secret and could only work to our benefit as a whole. I am not so sure now because there are those - obviously- that seek to keep people like me and others in the dark by berating and decrying new ideas and concepts with what they think, or think they think,should happen. They know it all and that anything outside their rhelm of reference is not the truth and to be attacked and pushed away. No wonder cable service is so crappy in some areas - because poeople can not come together thru knowledge and make them act responsibily. How many times have you called the cable company only to get some poor guy to help you that doesn't know a single thing outside the canned scripts he is given to read off to you ? Why dont you have direct access to the higher tiers of support you are paying for ? Why do you need to talk to someone who wants to do the same tests ("oh your cable light isn't on - well open up a dos window and type ping <A HREF="http://www.yahoo.com"" TARGET=_blank>www.yahoo.com"</A> - actually happened to me once) over and over again and the problem is so obvious? Why when you talk to cable, and obviously know what your talking about, they treat you like a small school child ? I'll tell you why - they are afraid of you knowing more than they do - thats why. If you know more than they do then they have to deliver to keep ahead of you because they then know that they need to deliver on their promises to keep getting paid - in short you pay them and they should work for you. Cable delivers what it delivers because they know that as long as they control the knowledge and can keep the issues confused by treating you the way they do, they can give you any type of service they want and you have to live with it. Knowledge is power - and when you have more then they do - and thru the cable modem users community as a whole or at least a majority - thru this we send a message. Did you know that you can not buy headend software from motorola unless your a cable company ? Why is that ? Its because cable wants the knowledge kept from you and me. Why? I am sure some of you would cite "Oh its propriatary" or some such drivel. The real reason is becuse if you had it would would be able to see just what the interaction is between the headend and your cable modem, be able to overcome it in some fashion and as a result find out that you are capped when you dont need to be, and your paying to be capped. People everyday who know people in the local cable company get their caps lifted by their friends at the cable company by having access to the headend provisioning. And you are paying for them to use their friendship to get special favors. Why should you not have the same privilage ?

I guess this pretty much explains it, as to why I decided to post. Some of it may be a little disjointed - but its hard to explain a concept sometimes so that others and everyone hears the same thing.

About posting the codes and method - haven't decided yet.

P.S http://www.midsouth.rr.com/rr_new/index.html

click on the link to the left that says "How does it work"

I thought that they had deleted this page but evidently they havent. See near the top of the page (after going to How Does It Work)where it states :

"The modems are technically capable of throughput speeds of 8 to 27 Mb/s in the downstream path and the upstream path ranges from 1 - 3 Mb/s."

Thats what was sold to me.


Originally posted by dan2525:
Violent - You're obviously a bright guy with better than average general computer skills. You understand the LAN/shared bandwidth concepts of the cable system. I was wondering what sort of response or outcome you were envisioning from your original post? You warned people of all the hassle you went through but you were contemplating sharing the uncapping method. As bright as you are, you must realize that you're situation is unique, localized and based on the findings of what I assume is a lower level court judge (I can't remember if you mention what the court level was) and that the odds of someone else having the same outcome have to be slim to non-existant. You'd also know what would happen if enough people on your node uncapped and that if you released the sniffer logs, you'd have no way of knowing if someone who used them was on your node. Where did you see all this going?



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TeCk
07-13-00, 08:54 PM
CLOSE THIS REALLY DUMB THREAD!
im sick of seeing it bleh

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Gamer
07-13-00, 09:30 PM
Violent, I totally agree with you. Its nice to see that someone feels the same way I do on this subject. I totally support what you have done. Think about it, you have the power in your hands to basically destroy a portion of what was the previously inpenatrable monopolistic fortress, that is the cable companies.

And everyone give him a brake! would a person wright such huge and in depth responses to people's insults, and doubts on his uncapping his modem if he wansn't really passionate in what he has accomlished, I doubt it.

Gamer
07-13-00, 09:32 PM
Violent, I totally agree with you. Its nice to see that someone feels the same way I do on this subject. I totally support what you have done. Think about it, you have the power in your hands to basically destroy a portion of what was the previously inpenatrable monopolistic fortress, that is the cable companies.

And everyone give him a brake! would a person wright such huge and in depth responses to people's insults, and doubts on his uncapping his modem if he wansn't really passionate in what he has accomlished, I doubt it.

jaza27
07-13-00, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by ssjDoh:
Hey Violent, try this...send a file to Brent or John (they get fast downloads) and have them say how fast they downloaded from you. I'm sure a mod won't lie http://www.speedguide.net/ubb/smile.gif


Hey Violent ,This is truly the only way to prove that this is all real and not made up I knew people where going to shoot screenshots down (seen it too many times in emulators) and the scanned court documents not going to work either. If you really want to prove your right you need to ftp Brent or John a file. That's really the only way.

One more thing don't close this thread yet, it has been the funniest and interesting thread of all time.