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Mark
02-20-04, 05:21 AM
i have a plextor PX708-A burner that i just upgraded the firmware to the latest version and went to try burning a 4x memorex dvd+r at 8x speed, it gave me this as an excuse as to why it would not burn at 8x, wondering if that means the media is too slow or the hard drive was too slow for it ??

this was done with nero 5 with their latest update.

http://members.speedguide.net/thesnake/speedtest.jpg

chimdogger
02-20-04, 07:32 AM
???

Sorry Mark but I cannot make out your question. Can you rephrase it?

Chim

zooner
02-20-04, 07:41 AM
how it reads to me is that the hard drive was rated too slowly.

Mark
02-20-04, 03:22 PM
i was trying to burn a 4x DVD+R at 8x speed and that is the warning that nero gave me said that it could write at 4x instead of 8x.

i was wondering if it was because of the blank DVD i tried was not able to go 8x or maybe the hard drive partiton that the video was on was being read to slowly, maybe because of being fragmented or because F@H runs on that partition ?

maybe it is time to install a dedicated video scratch drive and try burning from that instead ?

knightmare
02-21-04, 09:07 PM
is the dvd media 8x, 4x media isn't gonna burn at 8x

Mark
02-21-04, 09:16 PM
well i did make a burn at about 7X today,

i tried installing the microsoft IDE driver instead of using the asus version, tried running a speed test in nero again 3 times and it starts out transfering fast and then droped to about 4000KB, and would only burn a TDK 4X+R disk at 2.4 speed.

so i installed the version of roxio that came with the drive and unchecked the option for finding the fastest speed and set it to burn at 8X.

it worked fine :)

maybe i should buy a copy of nero 6 ??

i tested my hard drive with hd tach and it is fine, here is a pic of the test.

http://members.speedguide.net/thesnake/hdtach.jpg

i may still try installing a IBM gpx 60 drive that i have in storaqe and see if that helps anything.

also i am going to get some 8X approved media to see if nero works right.

zooner
02-21-04, 09:25 PM
nero has always been conservative on the burning speeds for me too.

knightmare
02-21-04, 09:42 PM
i was implying, even if u set it to burn and it says burning at 7, or 8x, the disk will hinder the speed eventually, if it isn't 8x media.
a cd rw only reaches peak speeds if u are burning a whole disc of data, optimal speed is reached near the end. So even if you had the burner set at lets say 48x, but u have 1/2 a disk of data only, u may not actually reach that burn speed, your drive will run @48x, but u will not have enough data for the drive to reach its zenith. So if u are running 7-8x on dvd burning, on 4x media, why are they even selling 8x media,

I am not saying that u didnt run/burn at that speed, i am just curious as i know on my friend's 8x burner, the media 4x limited his actual burn speed.

zooner
02-22-04, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by knightmare
i was implying, even if u set it to burn and it says burning at 7, or 8x, the disk will hinder the speed eventually, if it isn't 8x media.
a cd rw only reaches peak speeds if u are burning a whole disc of data, optimal speed is reached near the end. So even if you had the burner set at lets say 48x, but u have 1/2 a disk of data only, u may not actually reach that burn speed, your drive will run @48x, but u will not have enough data for the drive to reach its zenith. So if u are running 7-8x on dvd burning, on 4x media, why are they even selling 8x media,

I am not saying that u didnt run/burn at that speed, i am just curious as i know on my friend's 8x burner, the media 4x limited his actual burn speed.

that's the nice thing about burning dvdr's. regardless of what the software claims to be burning at, it's easy to determine your actual burning speed merely by clocking the burn. If it takes about 8 minutes to burn the disc, you're burning at 8x. If the burning takes closer to 15 minutes, that was acomplished at 4x.

nepenthe
02-22-04, 02:33 AM
@KM,

The Plextor 708 can write certain 4X media at 8X (Which in the case of this drive starts at 6X and quickly goes to 8X), most notably Ricoh's RICOHJPNR01 stock media. These disks are commonly sold by Memorex and TDK, available at you local Staples and Best Buy. The RICOHJPNR02 is the same media rerated on the disk as 8X. DVDINFOpro can give you a wealth of info about your drive and media.

BTW... It is the same media I am using, no problems with the 40+ burns so far.


@Mark

zooner was correct, your requestor states that your source is too slow, it is not the writing media that is at fault...... time to defrag.

david

zooner
02-22-04, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by nepenthe


zooner was correct,

david

as usual!!!

wa-KA!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305537704.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

nepenthe
02-22-04, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by zooner
as usual!!!

wa-KA!

[IMG]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305537704.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg[IMG]

:D

Please note. Pretty much all drives these days write the inner tracks at slower than the rated speed. It is why they time a bit slower.

EDIT>>>>

regarding dual layer....

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2004/02/19&pages=A5&seq=22

Mark
02-22-04, 06:21 AM
thanks for the help gentleman, think i will try some TDK media, always had good luck with their CD's.

knightmare
02-22-04, 11:10 AM
hmm, i always wondered why plextor drives were priced higher,
they are better...

nepenthe
02-22-04, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by knightmare
hmm, i always wondered why plextor drives were priced higher,
they are better...

They do offer a fairly robust media list on their drives and well as other little tricks to have the reads and writes go smoother.

Note the firmware...
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/downloads/firm_708A.htm

It mentions outright its ability to utilize 4X as 8X. I will not say that it justifies the additional expense, but I can pick up the media @ BestBuy for roughly a dollar a disk and get full speed writes, so it has been worth it to me.

david

Mark
03-07-04, 08:45 PM
just an update, bought a copy of nero 6, thanks to zooner for the link, burns a memorex 4x dvd+r at 8x speed now :)

3.91 GB burned in just over 7 minutes instead of takeing 22+ minutes for a 2.4 x dvd+r disc i had been useing.

http://members.speedguide.net/thesnake/8xburninnero.jpg

nepenthe
03-07-04, 10:51 PM
Solid 8X burns with inexpensive 4X media.... pure joy :).