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zooner
04-07-03, 06:41 PM
Hi!

I'm building a computer for a friend, since they currently have a VERY OLD gateway. I'm going as cheap as possible for her, but I'm also hoping to end up with a pretty stellar machine.

Gigabyte makes a p4 mobo with onboard sound/lan/video that I'm looking at, model Gigabyte GA-8LD533, Intel 845GL chipset Socket 478 P4 uATX motherboard w/VGA RETAIL.
$64

Or

ASUS P4B533-VM Motherboard for Intel P4 478 - OEM
Audio: Realtek ALC650
Intregrated VGA
Intregrated LAN INTEL PHY
$99

Another idea was to find a cheaper p4 board and pair it up with a gf3 ti200, or something like that.

It's going to be running a p4 1.7 celeron, 256megs of crucial ddr memory and one of my WD 80gig HD's.

any thoughts or opinions would be GREATLY appricated!

Shagster
04-07-03, 06:43 PM
All intel chipsets have **** for integrated video. Sis might have an ok one in one of their boards.

Brk
04-07-03, 06:54 PM
What's your $$$ limit?

Brk
04-07-03, 06:56 PM
I have a Sapphire Radeon 8500 LE OEM, brand new and still in the bag, never used.

I bought it for $70.00, I'll part with it $60 shipped, and I'll burn the new drivers on a CD-R.

zooner
04-07-03, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Shaggy
All intel chipsets have **** for integrated video. Sis might have an ok one in one of their boards.

hmm... I didnt know that. perhaps it's time to rethink it.


What's your $$$ limit?

I dont exactly have one. Just keeping it cheap.

zooner
04-07-03, 07:18 PM
i'll let you know Burke about the radeon

terrancelam
04-07-03, 11:10 PM
This is a board to consider:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=648_Max-L

Not so sure on the American pricing. Talk to Burke about the Radeon 8500, I love ATI's onboard decoders for video, plus it's not a bad videocard at all.

As for the rest, I think the 1.7ghz celeron isn't a bad choice at all.
Any midtower ATX case with 300W should do good ( maybe like $30 USD?), and a burner would be a very nice touch (get for a LG 48x or 52x, makes less noise and seem to be a bit more durable, your friends might appreciate the noise factor).

Brk
04-07-03, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by terrancelam
This is a board to consider:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=648_Max-L

Not so sure on the American pricing. Talk to Burke about the Radeon 8500, I love ATI's onboard decoders for video, plus it's not a bad videocard at all.

As for the rest, I think the 1.7ghz celeron isn't a bad choice at all.
Any midtower ATX case with 300W should do good ( maybe like $30 USD?), and a burner would be a very nice touch (get for a LG 48x or 52x, makes less noise and seem to be a bit more durable, your friends might appreciate the noise factor).

Which reminds me, if you also need a case...ahem ahem...

terrancelam
04-07-03, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Burke
Which reminds me, if you also need a case...ahem ahem...

hehe do you have anything for little ole me to buy, like a slightly used Sony DVD+/-RW drive? or two slightly used 80 gb 8mb cache drives? XD *dreams* hmmm

Brk
04-07-03, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by terrancelam
hehe do you have anything for little ole me to buy, like a slightly used Sony DVD+/-RW drive? or two slightly used 80 gb 8mb cache drives? XD *dreams* hmmm

Ah, nothing so fancy...

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109295

terrancelam
04-07-03, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Burke
Ah, nothing so fancy...

http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109295

*sniff sniff* the only thing there that catches my eye is the iPOD and it's just as much as a new DVD+/-RW burner in CAD (damn my canadian play money!)

zooner
04-08-03, 05:44 AM
I did see that board, but was nervous about the SiSŪ 648 chipset (839 pin BGA)...

should I be?

BaLa
04-08-03, 06:00 AM
a lot of ppls will say SIS is crap...
or something similar


I built a comp for a friend of a friend :D
about a yr. ago..

P4 1.8a Asus P4S-333
SiS 645 North Bridge and SiS 961 South Bridge

last time I talked to him (a couple months ago) he was still very happy with it...

I don't think Sis Chipsets are crap but you might be better served by an Intel Chipset..
I've heard claims of less stability issues and stuff..
again I think their P4 Chipsets can compete with the Intel ones..

zooner
04-08-03, 06:21 AM
i'll have to talk to her and see what she expects out of the machine as far as gaming...

right now, this one is looking pretty good:

MSI Motherboard for Pentium 4 Socket 478 processors , Model# 845GVM-L(MS-6714-040) Retail
Specifications:
Supported CPU:IntelŪ P4/Celeron processor 1.4 ~ 3.06GHz and up
Chipset:845GV Chipset
FSB:400/533MHz
RAM:two 184-pin DDR200/DDR266 DIMMs Max 2GB
IDE: 2x Ultra DMA 100/66 (up to 4 Devices)
Slots:3x PCI 32 bit (3.3 5v) and 1 CNR
Ports:1xFDD,2xPS2,1xCOM,1xVGA,1xLAN and Audio Ports
Onboard Video:Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics
Onboard LAN:Integrated Fast Ethernet Realtek
Onboard Audio:Realtek ALC650 Model#: 845GVM-L Special FedEx Saver Shipping $5.00
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$72

Brk
04-08-03, 07:17 AM
Gaming aside, the integrated graphics are still very iffy, unless you're only really using Windows and a few low-end 2D apps. I had one of the EPoX boards with the 845G chipset and after a week or so I had to buy a separate video card, since I couldn't stand it any longer.

Remember that integrated video uses system memory, so if you're light on RAM (256 MB or less), you're a slave to the graphics controller sucking up memory space.

zooner
04-08-03, 07:36 AM
I'll have to zoom over to compusa today then.

They have a
Asylum GeForce4 Ti4200 Video Card, AGP 4X, 64MB DDR

for $80 after rebates

zooner
04-08-03, 07:37 AM
thanks burke for your advice!

I still might go with onboard video for my third computer, but that wont even be hooked up to a monitor most of the time.

BaLa
04-08-03, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Burke
Gaming aside, the integrated graphics are still very iffy, unless you're only really using Windows and a few low-end 2D apps. I had one of the EPoX boards with the 845G chipset and after a week or so I had to buy a separate video card, since I couldn't stand it any longer.

Remember that integrated video uses system memory, so if you're light on RAM (256 MB or less), you're a slave to the graphics controller sucking up memory space.

I agree although that is not always true..
some of them have or had in the past had dedicated onboard memory (chips soldered on the mobo)

Brk
04-08-03, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by BaLa
I agree although that is not always true..
some of them have or had in the past had dedicated onboard memory (chips soldered on the mobo)

Old boards, yeah, but the 845G chipset uses system memory.