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Never mind me....just getting a placeholder for what will come during October.

this way, I have rights to the "scoop".


Hey, if the BBC can report the news that WTC 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did....I can as well. Nothing wrong with leaning forward.

The Republican fear-mongerers are already getting warmed up.

Roody wrote:The Republican fear-mongerers are already getting warmed up.

Russia sacks Alaska....Putin vows to finish off the pipeline...back in the MOTHERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roody wrote:The Republican fear-mongerers are already getting warmed up.

Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

Personally i was expecting Bin Laden to be captured before the last election so President Bush could get re-elected. Guess it wasn't needed .

Aaaaaaaaces.

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

Personally i was expecting Bin Laden to be captured before the last election so President Bush could get re-elected. Guess it wasn't needed .

They didn't NEED for him to be captured. Every time poll numbers got low, voila, a "new" Bin Laden tape!

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

Personally i was expecting Bin Laden to be captured before the last election so President Bush could get re-elected. Guess it wasn't needed .

Ignore it? Seriously where did I even say that? How about we have a discussion on what's said and not what you think was said? Fair enough?

Republicans the last 8 years in particular have relied on fear to keep the masses in check. That's not an opinion. That is exactly what has happened. That kind of rhetoric is not what the Republican Party used to be about. Unfortunately President Bush and other extremists within his party have killed alot of the good that used to be a part of the Republican Party.

Burke wrote:They didn't NEED for him to be captured. Every time poll numbers got low, voila, a "new" Bin Laden tape!

Ha, every time they got low? Haven't they been pretty much as low as it goes for a long time?

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

Personally i was expecting Bin Laden to be captured before the last election so President Bush could get re-elected. Guess it wasn't needed .

LOL...you were 10 years old back when Clinton got elected the first time.


good one JB!!!!

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Ha, every time they got low? Haven't they been pretty much as low as it goes for a long time?

Yes, it's Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_of_Osama_bin_Laden

EDIT: Check the links at the bottom of the article for "mainstream links."

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

Personally i was expecting Bin Laden to be captured before the last election so President Bush could get re-elected. Guess it wasn't needed .

Good Lord.

Roody wrote: Unfortunately President Bush and other extremists within his party have killed alot of the good that used to be a part of the Republican Party.

Well said.

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Typical....

How soon we forget.


I suppose you want some more of the clinton era of ignore it and let the next President deal with it?

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Someone doesn't read much do they?

The "next" President is the one who ignored it.

Read Richard Clarke's book. "Against All Enemies".

You guys watch to much MSNBC dont ya?

Truth is both administrations "ignored", sad but true. And although we can point the finger back and forth this doesn't bring back 3000 people now does it? As long as "We the people" continue to point and play the blame game this great country of ours will never get anywhere.

Cornbread wrote:You guys watch to much MSNBC dont ya?

Truth is both administrations "ignored", sad but true. And although we can point the finger back and forth this doesn't bring back 3000 people now does it? As long as "We the people" continue to point and play the blame game this great country of ours will never get anywhere.

That's not true at all. Clinton's administration did not ignore the OBL threat. In fact they made it clear to President Bush coming in that he was a serious threat. Unfortunately President Bush didn't take it seriously enough until 9/11.

Roody wrote:That's not true at all. Clinton's administration did not ignore the OBL threat. In fact they made it clear to President Bush coming in that he was a serious threat. Unfortunately President Bush didn't take it seriously enough until 9/11.

How so? If they made it "clear" to Bush when he was coming into office as you say, why wait? Why not take care of it instead of handing it off to the next President?

Again, no one took it seriously. And before you guys start the blame game, use facts, not some he said she said, truth is we'll never know what happened, who knew what, etc. If you have some true "facts" and insight we dont know about, i'm sure the government would like to know.

And also before you guys say I'm on the Bush bandwagon, not true, sure I like the man, but he made some mistakes, but I'm not going to sit here and bash him, without FACTS, just like I'm not going to bash Clinton without facts.

And if your facts come from Michael Moore, I would look elsewhere.

Cornbread wrote:How so? If they made it "clear" to Bush when he was coming into office as you say, why wait? Why not take care of it instead of handing it off to the next President?

Again, no one took it seriously. And before you guys start the blame game, use facts, not some he said she said, truth is we'll never know what happened, who knew what, etc. If you have some true "facts" and insight we dont know about, i'm sure the government would like to know.

And also before you guys say I'm on the Bush bandwagon, not true, sure I like the man, but he made some mistakes, but I'm not going to sit here and bash him, without FACTS, just like I'm not going to bash Clinton without facts.

And if your facts come from Michael Moore, I would look elsewhere.

As DH suggested read Richard Clarke's book. This was a man on the inside who clearly stated what happened.

Roody wrote:As DH suggested read Richard Clarke's book. This was a man on the inside who clearly stated what happened.

It all must be true then since he wrote it in his "book"? I know he was in the inside, just like he was on the inside for Clinton. And?

Cornbread wrote:Again, no one took it seriously. And before you guys start the blame game, use facts, not some he said she said, truth is we'll never know what happened, who knew what, etc. If you have some true "facts" and insight we dont know about, i'm sure the government would like to know.

If we'll never know what happened then how can you say it wasn't taken seriously? If Bush hasnt been able to fix it in 8 years time what makes you think Clinton could have? Maybe clinton was trying to deal with it in a nonviolent way?

Cornbread wrote:It all must be true then since he wrote it in his "book"? I know he was in the inside, just like he was on the inside for Clinton. And?

Dear God man. There is all kinds of info out there from people on the inside that clearly shows Bush dropped the ball and since then has only served to use his mistakes pre-9/11 to support his own agenda for post 9/11. If after all this time that information needs to be explained to you then I worry about your ability to keep up in this conversation.

Are you even familiar with Yellowcake? Plame? Downing Street Memo? Honestly Clinton definitely dropped the ball with some stuff, but to suggest that he created even a 1/4 of the problems involving this stuff is insane. President Clinton was a part of the problem no doubt. Unfortunately President Bush became a huge part of the problem.

Roody wrote:

President Clinton was a part of the problem no doubt. Unfortunately President Bush became a huge part of the problem.

And that is what I been saying...dear God. Read my post again and you'll see that.

It wasn't just one man, or one administration.

Roody wrote:...that clearly shows Bush dropped the ball...

The Bush administration as a whole.

Cornbread wrote:And that is what I been saying...dear God. Read my post again and you'll see that.

It wasn't just one man, or one administration.

Well no it wasn't just one man, but like it's been said a high majority of it has been and when it comes to 9/11 this has largely and I do mean largely a Bush issue.

YARDofSTUF wrote:The Bush administration as a whole.

By far this problem falls on President Bush. It's his cowboy rhetoric who has made this country far more unsafe then safe. He was/is a lousy President. I remain as ashamed today for making that awful choice in 2000 as I did in 2003.

Roody wrote:By far this problem falls on President Bush. It's his cowboy rhetoric who has made this country far more unsafe then safe. He was/is a lousy President. I remain as ashamed today for making that awful choice in 2000 as I did in 2003.

If you blame bush and none of those that worked with him, you are a fool.

Wasn't there poor information given to him by his team? Hell its not like he got his hands dirty all alone.

Roody wrote:By far this problem falls on President Bush. It's his cowboy rhetoric who has made this country far more unsafe then safe. He was/is a lousy President. I remain as ashamed today for making that awful choice in 2000 as I did in 2003.

I voted for him as well (I'm registered Independent, voted for Clinton in 92') , but I'm not going to blame the man for 9/11. I'm not going to be one of those people that say we blowed up our own people just to start a war. And speaking of war, yes the Iraq war was a mistake, but I don't think we can just cut and run as easy as people would make it sound.

If we had true info where OBL was today, I'm sure our government would take him out, but to suggest as this topic started that we wait till the last minute just to get "votes" is BS. At least that's how I took it.

YARDofSTUF wrote:If you blame bush and none of those that worked with him, you are a fool.

Wasn't there poor information given to him by his team? Hell its not like he got his hands dirty all alone.

Guess I figured you would know after past criticisms of those in his Administration that I meant not only President Bush, but those who work for him also.

Roody wrote:By far this problem falls on President Bush. It's his cowboy rhetoric who has made this country far more unsafe then safe. He was/is a lousy President. I remain as ashamed today for making that awful choice in 2000 as I did in 2003.

There was a choice in 2000 and/or 2003? It was more like vote against someone... not for someone.

Cornbread wrote:I voted for him as well (I'm registered Independent, voted for Clinton in 92') , but I'm not going to blame the man for 9/11. I'm not going to be one of those people that say we blowed up our own people just to start a war. And speaking of war, yes the Iraq war was a mistake, but I don't think we can just cut and run as easy as people would make it sound.

If we had true info where OBL was today, I'm sure our government would take him out, but to suggest as this topic started that we wait till the last minute just to get "votes" is BS. At least that's how I took it.

I wouldn't be one of those people who thinks we blew up our own people to start a war either.

Most of my criticism of President Bush is based on crap he twisted to get us into Iraq.

Roody wrote:


Guess I figured you would know after past criticisms of those in his Administration that I meant not only President Bush, but those who work for him also.

You just said it falls on Bush, it falls on all invovled.

YARDofSTUF wrote:You just said it falls on Bush, it falls on all invovled.

That it does, but it's his Administration and ultimately his call. Again it's one person named, but it's criticism based also on his staff.

MadDoctor wrote:There was a choice in 2000 and/or 2003? It was more like vote against someone... not for someone.

Same thing this year, at least thats "my opinion", not much to vote for. I would have voted for Clinton before before Obama, not sure now. Not much to choose from. Again this is my opinion.