Help! My Aol Is Faster Than My Explorer!!

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 7:19 pm

I had cox cable modem sevice put into my home. I have a dell 410 workstation, with dual pII 450's and xp pro. I have 768 m of ram, and the machine runs very well, and i am happy with the speed of cable service. here is the catch. i still have a screen name on my parents old AOL account, and i check the mail on it often, and sometimes i surf on AOL just for the hell of it. i downloaded the optimizer that speedguide offers on the home page, and when i using AOL, my connection is HELLA fast. great download speed, and upload speed. My last speed test (while logged on to AOL) was 2767 dL, 352 Up. I dont really like AOL, but when i try to use my internet explorer, the connection speed drops 2000K and Internet explorer wont open most images on webpages. Its painfully slow and my parents complain that im on their account too much because its the only way i can get a good connection speed. Can anybody tell me what i need to do to get Internet explorer running good? Im sick of hearing welcome!!

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:21 pm

Originally posted by danlikey2
I had cox cable modem sevice put into my home. I have a dell 410 workstation, with dual pII 450's and xp pro. I have 768 m of ram, and the machine runs very well, and i am happy with the speed of cable service. here is the catch. i still have a screen name on my parents old AOL account, and i check the mail on it often, and sometimes i surf on AOL just for the hell of it. i downloaded the optimizer that speedguide offers on the home page, and when i using AOL, my connection is HELLA fast. great download speed, and upload speed. My last speed test (while logged on to AOL) was 2767 dL, 352 Up. I dont really like AOL, but when i try to use my internet explorer, the connection speed drops 2000K and Internet explorer wont open most images on webpages. Its painfully slow and my parents complain that im on their account too much because its the only way i can get a good connection speed. Can anybody tell me what i need to do to get Internet explorer running good? Im sick of hearing welcome!!

Hell has frozen over

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:44 pm

OK, i get it, thats a pretty good one, but that doesnt help my problem. I cant stand having to log on to aol when i want great speed. I know other people get great speed using just internet explorer, and obviously i have a decent connection, so why doesnt mine work? Is my explorer on the fritz? Are my settings different on aol than explorer? I thought aol used MS IE as a platform for its browser, so wouldnt the settings cross over? do i have a java problem? Im too new to troubleshoot this, please somebody, i need a clue!

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:04 am

Remove AOL.

UnitedWeStand · Post by **UnitedWeStand** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:39 am

Originally posted by mnosteele52
Remove AOL.

I second that. Notion.
Proceed as planned; terminate AOL. Have two beers and call us in the morning.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:45 pm

so what youre telling me is this:

AOL, the only browser on my computer that gets good speed (refer to top post) should be taken off the computer

Internet Explorer, which goes really slow, and wont open images on websites, should be scrapped?

IM confused. why would i ditch the only program i have that is getting good speed?

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:48 pm

i meant to say that internet explorer should be kept on the computer (?)

UnitedWeStand · Post by **UnitedWeStand** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:40 pm

Originally posted by danlikey2
i meant to say that internet explorer should be kept on the computer (?)

Umm are you sure you want just IE.. because what you have shown us is You get better speed with AOL Browser and that your sic of hearing welcome.. but you continue to use AOL.. okey lets see here.. eliminate aol welcome.wav from sounds folder .. and your set.
Now have two beers.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:58 pm

i have nothing extra to add here really but I will anyway!

AOL = turd on a rop with bacon limbs sellotaped onto a chicken with eagle eyes floating like a laser beam across the room with laserlegs!

now the sad people i know with AOL who have extremely bad computer rage try to use IE and all come up with the same problem... it messes up and runs slow whist AOL is installed.

Maybe, if you don't wanna remove AOL, try installin the new version of IE again... or try installin NetScape [tis good].

if these don't work you have the second option of removing aol. This is done by removing aol from the system. Then aol will be gone... causing no more hell to your connection.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:29 pm

Originally posted by danlikey2
so what youre telling me is this:

AOL, the only browser on my computer that gets good speed (refer to top post) should be taken off the computer

Internet Explorer, which goes really slow, and wont open images on websites, should be scrapped?

IM confused. why would i ditch the only program i have that is getting good speed?

AOL uses Internet Explorer for web browsing.

joecool169 · Post by **joecool169** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:09 pm

I don't think anyone said this directly so I will

AOL SUCKS!!!!!
AOL SUCKS!!!!!
AOL SUCKS!!!!!

uninstall it, try to remove all of it's garbage,format the HD if neccassary, and then pray that every trace of it is actually gone

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:40 pm

Originally posted by joecool169
I don't think anyone said this directly so I will

AOL SUCKS!!!!!
AOL SUCKS!!!!!
AOL SUCKS!!!!!

uninstall it, try to remove all of it's garbage,format the HD if neccassary, and then pray that every trace of it is actually gone

We were just trying to be nice I guess, but I FULLY AGREE!!! AOL is a virus.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:07 am

ha ha ha... absolutely spiffing edward... now where were we? ahhh yes.... i do believe that it would be classed as a "malicious program" under norton anti-vurus' definitions! Therefore my dir sirs.. it is not a virus... [snort] ha ha ha!

oh n' sorry for that spellin mistake before... it's turd on a rope... ha ha!

reader · Post by **reader** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:20 am

Greetings,

Danlikey2 is asking for help and the thread launches into hysterical attacks on AOL. Not very helpful, folks.

Dan, I have broadband with Earthlink and maintain an AOL account for the kids. AOL doesn't seem to have any problem with extra charges because you log in via broadband with another service. NOTE: I get similar speeds whether I'm logged on to AOL or just going straight to the internet.

But let's consider your real problem: Netscape and IE aren't working properly.

This may, and I say may, be due to multiple versions of java on your machine. It's really difficult to sort out your problem without looking closely at your configuration and setup.

What I would try first is uninstalling Netscape, getting an updated version and re-installing. (I'm having pretty good luck with their new ver. 7) Same with IE.

Check your files to see how many versions of java may already be out there. Uninstall them. They will re-install when you re-load the browsers. You can use this command line to determine what version of java is being used. Try it from >Start>Accessories>Command Prompt in XP.

java -version

Try running that with only AOL and then without AOL and see if there is any difference in the version numbers.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:06 pm

First of all, i would like to thank reader, I appreciate your candor. I installed the new version of netscape (7) and it works perfectly. only draw back is i still dont get the same speed (when dling a file) that aol was affording me, but i can always sign on if i have a big file to download. i like Netscape better than ie , it turns out, so for the moment , it appears the problem is fixed. I will, however, follow your advice reader and check my java versions to see if im getting some kind of conflict. ill also try uninstalling aol to see if that affects anything. Now im curious so ill keep posting to let you know what happens
Danno

reader · Post by **reader** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:04 pm

Danno,

You said it was working better, but still not "matching" the download speeds. Are you judging this by actually downloading files, or using a test site?

I don't know how much I trust all those test sites. Many of us have a tendency to use the ones that show our throughput is soaring with eagles...avoiding the ones that we know will give us lower numbers! ;-)

Uninstall AOL, knowing you'll have to re-install to check your mail. FYI, I'm using AOL 7.0 with WinXP Pro on my family machine. Again, I don't see the speed differences.

You have twice the memory I have on that machine, so I doubt that's the problem, but those are settings you could check, as well, within the browser properties. (e.g. cache etc. etc.)

Keep Pluggin' Away!

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:02 pm

Just for fun and games, d/l this neat little proggie NetStat Live

Its a great tool to check yer d/l and upload speeds. Its accurate and kinda fun to watch sometimes. Then, d/l a bigish file with AOL and plain jane Netscape(give opera a whirl too http://www.opera.com) and do some real comparisions. I really don't know why AOL would be d/ling better....unless they have the files you are downing cached somewhere(often d/led files maybe).

AOL is a dirty word around here, be careful with it

.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Aug 12, 2002 12:29 am

My post wasn't meant to just bad mouth AOL, it was the truth. AOL causes more problems than any other single app I have ever seen and Netscape has nothing to do with AOL. I know AOL owns Netscape but AOL uses IE for a web browser. AOL puts you behind their proxy and adds useless adapters to your TCP/IP setup that limit your MTU thereby lowering your throughput. I see absolutely NO reason for ANYONE to use AOL escpecially if you have any other way of connecting to the internet. As I said it's basically a virus, it integrates itself into all kinds of things on your pc and is next to impossible to completely remove once it's installed. Take our advice and remove it, it will cause nothing but problems.

Old Fart · Post by **Old Fart** » Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:03 pm

Also, check for multiple winsocks. You only need one and AOL always installs its own.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:03 am

honestly, ive been using a few test sites to determine my download speeds, but the speed decrease is actually noticable when i open pages also. additionally , most of the images on IE wont open (i just get boxes with little red X's on them) and cant be opened without manually right clicking and selecting open picture. I dont see how aol would slow down another browser, since i dont run both of them at the same time. if that is what the problem is, ill uninstall aol. I thought i might have soem settings selected incorrectly, anybody know what i should have them on?

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:26 am

ok guys, just uninstalled aol and guess what. no change! Now its obvious that this is an IE problem. I went into my registry and uninstalled IE and then reinstalled it from the website. Still, no change. On cable-modem.net, i run their speed test and with aol, and netscape, i was running high 290's low 300's , and with IE i run 72. big difference there. I am convinced it has something to do with the fact that it wont load those images . both problems started at the same time. Any suggestions? No that nobody has AOL to kick around anymore, lets see if anybody has real input !

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:34 am

AOL still leaves alot of crap behind in your registry after you uninstall it. Also have you tweaked your settings? AOL put you behind their proxy when using it, if you would let me know what your ISPs caps are and do a TCP/IP Analyzer test and post the results.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:40 am

OOPS didn't see you were on Cox. Download Cablenut from my signature and try the following settings:

DefaultReceiveWindow = 384000
DefaultSendWindow = 32768
DisableAddressSharing = 1
InitialLargeBufferCount = 100
InitialMediumBufferCount = 240
InitialSmallBufferCount = 320
LargeBufferSize = 81920
MaxFastTransmit = 64000
MediumBufferSize = 15040
PriorityBoost = 0
SmallBufferSize = 1280
TransmitWorker = 32
FastSendDatagramThreshold = 4096
EnableFastRouteLookup = 1
EnablePMTUDiscovery = 1
IgnorePushBitOnReceives = 0
GlobalMaxTcpWindowSize = 64240
MaxFreeTcbs = 8000
MaxHashTableSize = 16384
MaxNormLookupMemory = 5000000
SackOpts = 1
SynAttackProtect = 1
Tcp1323Opts = 1
TcpLogLevel = 1
TcpMaxDupAcks = 2
TcpMaxHalfOpen = 100
TcpMaxHalfOpenRetried = 80
TcpRecvSegmentSize = 1460
TcpSendSegmentSize = 1460
TcpTimedWaitDelay = 30
TcpUseRFC1122UrgentPointer = 0
TcpWindowSize = 64240
MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server = 40
MaxConnectionsPerServer = 20
DefaultTTL = 64
DisableUserTOSSetting = 0
TcpMaxDataRetransmissions = 6
DefaultTOSValue = 92

Also open regedit and add the following entry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\AFD\Parameters

BufferMultiplier - give it a hexidecimal value of 400.

Also open IE and select tools - internet options - connections - LAN settings and make sure NOTHING there is checked. Then run a speed test and see how things are.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:59 am

danlikey2 you might also want to take a look at Frank's Tips for removing the left overs from AOL.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 11:52 am

here are some results for you all to chew on and tell me what you think. first is a speed test with netscape 6, 2nd is a test with IE 6, third is my tcp analyzer run

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/27 ... 1029253364
broadband » Speed Interpretation

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/64 ... 1029252537

http://forums.speedguide.net/cgi-bin/op ... 1029253742
SpeedGuide TCP/IP Analyzer

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:06 pm

dude... if you wanna download a file from the internet... use somethin like DAP... it speeds up the download by downloading sections from different locations simultaneously.... and it backs up your download in case the cmop crashes or anythin... no lost downloads! and no need for AOL.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:10 pm

ok, stupid question time, what is DAP?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 1:18 pm

danlikey2 copy and paste the TCP/IP Analyzer test results not the url.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 1:36 pm

TCP options string = 020405b40103030201010402

MTU = 1500
MTU is fully optimized for broadband.

MSS = 1460
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1460, which equals MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 256960
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 2 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 64240
RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
513920 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)

bandwidth * delay product:
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 10278.4 kbps (1284.8 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 4111.36 kbps (513.92 KBytes/s) @ 500ms

MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON

Time to live left = 48 hops
TTL value is ok.

Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF

Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON

IP type of service field (RFC1349)= 00000000

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 1:38 pm

Well you obvioulsy aren't using the settings I suggested above.

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:25 am

ok, i changed my settings over to what you reccomended using cablenut, now everything is faster and IE still wont open images and still is the slowest of the bunch. does anybody know why IE wont open the images?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:50 am

It seems allot of people have similiar problems with IE6 in XP, try emptying your internet cache also try reinstalling IE, to do so:

To Reinstall IE6:

1) Insert the Win XP CD

2) Open Start / Run and type:
rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 c:\windows\inf\ie.inf

Press ENTER

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:54 pm

ok , lets say i dont have my xp cd, what would i do then? and how do i empty my cache?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:58 pm

Open IE and select - tools - internet options - general tab - delete files - check the box delete all offline content and select ok. While your there look under the connections tab and select LAN settings and make sure NOTHING there is checked.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:58 pm

WAREZ??????

Soporific · Post by **Soporific** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:29 pm

Or possibly OEM with only a recovery disk. Don't know if IE would or wouldn't be included on it, but I suspect not.

~S

MsClaire · Post by **MsClaire** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:52 am

I snooped through the posts some on this, and didnt notice if you formatted or not. If you didnt, and you just uninstalled AOL, you could STILL have some files hiding in your registry that could be the reason to your slow speeds. AOL creates its own drivers, and sometimes dont uninstall when you go through ad/remove programs. I would suggest giving them a call, and asking them for a 'step 5 fix' (particularly if you had aol 6 or 7) they will walk you through removing all the components of aol from your pc without having to reformat and it COULD resolve any possible speed conflicts as well.

Old Fart · Post by **Old Fart** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:42 am

Still no answer to the multiple winsocks

danlikey2 · Post by **danlikey2** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:08 am

ok, to the winsock question, walk me through what i would be looking for and what i would do when i found it

legalmind · Post by **legalmind** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:04 pm

Originally posted by mnosteele52
AOL still leaves alot of crap behind in your registry after you uninstall it. Also have you tweaked your settings? AOL put you behind their proxy when using it, if you would let me know what your ISPs caps are and do a TCP/IP Analyzer test and post the results.

Yes, it takes more then just uninstall to get rid of AOL.
AOL does a complete take over of files.
That is the reason IE is all screwed up!
After uninstalling AOL will want their coloring book returned.

SG Broadband Community

Help! My Aol Is Faster Than My Explorer!!

Help! My Aol Is Faster Than My Explorer!!

Re: Help! My Aol Is Faster Than My Explorer!!

maybe i didnt explain myself very well

check that

Re: check that

Re: maybe i didnt explain myself very well

[said in a stiff upper lip, british voice]

The guy asked for help...not hysteria

Thanks reader

heres some of the requested results

riiiiiight

here you go

ok, did that

hmmm,

how would i check on the winsocks?